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Would you keep a gun??

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  • #62
    kraggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    1. Who can own a gun/what reasons must one give to apply for a license?
    2. Which handguns are legal in Ireland (I read a couple of years ago that there were 1500 glocks legally held in the country - was surprised at that).
    3. Who can own a handgun?

    In relation to point 1., if I have a few chickens out the back yard to supply me with eggs every morning, can I say that I need a gun to shoot foxes/other threats?


  • #63
    RubyRoss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭RubyRoss


    Stuck Cone wrote: »
    Anti-gypsy devices i call them

    Eeesch, you deserve calling on it.

    If only we kept our guns as anti-idiot devices?


  • #64
    RubyRoss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭RubyRoss


    kraggy wrote: »
    1. Who can own a gun/what reasons must one give to apply for a license?
    2. Which handguns are legal in Ireland (I read a couple of years ago that there were 1500 glocks legally held in the country - was surprised at that).
    3. Who can own a handgun?

    In relation to point 1., if I have a few chickens out the back yard to supply me with eggs every morning, can I say that I need a gun to shoot foxes/other threats?

    You need to state why you want a shotgun (for game not people) and typically give references from people who testify that you are not crazy and that you may shoot on their land. I.E. the Kerry farmer gets a gun, the Finglas man does not.


  • #65
    kowloon
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    Always liked old guns, unfortunately the legislation is arse gravy of the highest order. Easier to licence most modern hunting rifles than something a century older.


  • #66
    travelledpengy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭travelledpengy


    I'd love a sniper rifle.. I watch too many documentaries :pac:


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  • #67
    Feisar
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    Guns are only dangerous when their in the wrong hands imo.

    Live on a housing estate in Dublin (any large town or city)? Don't see the need to be keeping a gun tbh, recipe for disaste.

    But on a farm/countryside etc, vermin to deal with, our even for sporting activities (yes I know, highly debatable) where circumstances might dictate that you actually need a gun, so long a its stored safely, and used responsibly, there shouldn't really be a problem.

    But like everything else in life, one tit can always fcuk things up for the responsible members of society.

    Why are sporting activities "highly debatable" while you may not agree with hunting it is a legal activity so hardly highly debatable. Plus there are target ranges/clubs around the country. One doesn't need to live in the back end of nowhere to use a gun.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #68
    Feisar
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    Pdfile wrote: »
    have you any idea how much maintance can involved with guns ?? a decent basic assault rifle ( no acog scopes or otther cod bull**** ) with a revolver ( it doesn't jam, simple as ) is all one needs... If anything, a small under powered ( .22 say ) pistol is ideal foor home protection.... it wil meme and most likely not kill, low recoil means a well trained shot can or cannot be leathal.... you decide proving you're going to hit them in the head not the belly, or vicce versa... )

    I don't own a handgun nor am I an expert but I kept a handgun for self defense I'd want a bore I could damn near crawl down!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #69
    Galway K9
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    I wouldnt hurt an animal with it, but I would see a benefit to it for when my home and farm is at threat by Frog.....s....;)


  • #70
    sbsquarepants
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    Guns are only dangerous when their in the wrong hands imo.

    Live on a housing estate in Dublin (any large town or city)? Don't see the need to be keeping a gun tbh, recipe for disaste.

    But like everything else in life, one tit can always fcuk things up for the responsible members of society.

    Exactly - look at all the people being stabbed, the answer is not to ban sensible people from owning knives. That being said i don't have a gun and don't plan to anytime in the near future. I'm 37 and i only shot one for the first time about 6 months ago!


  • #71
    Snowie
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    Pdfile wrote: »
    have you any idea how much maintance can involved with guns ?? a decent basic assault rifle ( no acog scopes or otther cod bull**** ) with a revolver ( it doesn't jam, simple as ) is all one needs... If anything, a small under powered ( .22 say ) pistol is ideal foor home protection.... it wil meme and most likely not kill, low recoil means a well trained shot can or cannot be leathal.... you decide proving you're going to hit them in the head not the belly, or vicce versa... )
    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Like I said my friend, airsoft. I have a 1911PD and Scar c02 amongst others, the kick from them is great, and they've no problem breaking glass. Settle for less!



    you guys say a lot :pac:


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  • #72
    Seachmall
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    kraggy wrote: »
    1. Who can own a gun/what reasons must one give to apply for a license?
    If you are a farmer you can own a shotgun or a rifle for pest control. If you are not a farmer you must provide sufficient reason to own a gun such as being a member of a sporting gun club and show you have sufficient land on which to use it (either member of a shooting range or a letter from someone who will allow you to shoot on their land, or your own land of course).
    2. Which handguns are legal in Ireland (I read a couple of years ago that there were 1500 glocks legally held in the country - was surprised at that).
    I don't think there's a restriction on the size of the handgun.
    3. Who can own a handgun?
    Anyone that the local superintendent deems responsible enough to own one and can show valid reasons for owning one (sporting reasons typically).
    In relation to point 1., if I have a few chickens out the back yard to supply me with eggs every morning, can I say that I need a gun to shoot foxes/other threats?
    Yes, but only a shotgun or rifle I'd imagine.



    OT, I applied for a license when I was 17. Never got it, my mother was pretty happy about that. Now I honestly don't think I'd trust myself with one, I'm a bit of a moron.


  • #73
    token101
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Exactly - look at all the people being stabbed, the answer is not to ban sensible people from owning knives. That being said i don't have a gun and don't plan to anytime in the near future. I'm 37 and i only shot one for the first time about 6 months ago!

    Stabbings are usually very personal crimes. It takes a lot more effort and violent intent to stab someone than it does to point and squeeze your finger. You're not going to be able to walk into a built up area and stab 10 people at once unless you're some sort of demented ninja. How many times in the last 10 years has someone walked into a built up area and just started shooting randomly in the US? Countless. When was the last time that happened here? It might have happened in the UK once or twice, but they're notable cases because they are so rare, Dunblayne, Hungerford. Half the ones in the US don't even register anymore.


  • #74
    biko
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8PQDoZXSo


  • #75
    Odysseus
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    Yep, One shotgun and two rifles. Shooting is a great hobby, everybody should know how to use a gun. The hysteria by some people around guns is unreal, basically a lack of education.


  • #76
    44leto
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    Odysseus wrote: »
    Yep, One shotgun and two rifles. Shooting is a great hobby, everybody should know how to use a gun. The hysteria by some people around guns is unreal, basically a lack of education.

    Guns are fearful and dangerous weapons, designed to kill from a distance.

    What am I missing???


  • #77
    Odysseus
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    44leto wrote: »
    Guns are fearful and dangerous weapons, designed to kill from a distance.

    What am I missing???

    The fact that a gun is only a weapon if you use it as one, mine are sporting kit. There is a big difference between sporting guns and those used by law enforcement etc.

    Owning a gun does not mean you will use it against another person, so I think you are missing a lot. Shooting is a very significant sport in Ireland despite the fact we have some of the toughest laws on ownership, and the lack of understanding by the general public. I just have to walk 500 meters to get to the start of some fields that mark the start of my hunting ground from my house.

    I have had people gaspe and point that man has a gun, as I leave my house this is with it in a case and unloaded of course. I'm a dub myself, but generally those who get hysterical are from urban areas.

    Guns are very safe, one you obey basic rules, just like driving.


  • #78
    woodoo
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    Does pest control extend to people who steal your home heating oil :D


  • #79
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    44leto wrote: »
    Guns are fearful and dangerous weapons, designed to kill from a distance.

    What am I missing???

    That not all guns are designed to kill people.

    They're all capable of killing people, sure. But so are kitchen knives. And cars. And hammers. And tire-irons. And so on.


  • #80
    cynder
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    If I wanted to use a gun I would joined the army. I would not have one in the house.


  • #81
    davet82
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    Would you keep a gun??

    I'd probably being doing a 20 year stretch in Mountjoy for shooting the girlfriend or at the kids on the road that woke the baby... so i think best off not having a gun me thinks


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  • #82
    44leto
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    Odysseus wrote: »
    The fact that a gun is only a weapon if you use it as one, mine are sporting kit. There is a big difference between sporting guns and those used by law enforcement etc.

    Owning a gun does not mean you will use it against another person, so I think you are missing a lot. Shooting is a very significant sport in Ireland despite the fact we have some of the toughest laws on ownership, and the lack of understanding by the general public. I just have to walk 500 meters to get to the start of some fields that mark the start of my hunting ground from my house.

    I have had people gaspe and point that man has a gun, as I leave my house this is with it in a case and unloaded of course. I'm a dub myself, but generally those who get hysterical are from urban areas.

    Guns are very safe, one you obey basic rules, just like driving.

    Well you are using it as a weapon, to kill your prey and yes guns are safe till they are loaded, which of course doesn't take much effort. What happened in Tipperary the other day when a man opened fire on some Garda and Dundalk a few months ago when a man was murdered. In both these cases it was with legally held firearms, so no I don't agree, guns IMO are to dangerous and an impulsive weapon to be held by the citizenry.

    So if a minority sport like shooting and hunting in this country suffers, so be it, I would rather that then have any kind of gun culture here.

    Take up stamp collecting instead.


  • #83
    44leto
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    That not all guns are designed to kill people.

    They're all capable of killing people, sure. But so are kitchen knives. And cars. And hammers. And tire-irons. And so on.

    The old argument, OK, so if you are for gun ownership, why not machine gun ownership, or even cannon ownership, there are degrees of danger from weapons.

    My car is the most dangerous thing I own, but that has other uses as well, a gun has 1 primary use, to kill.


  • #84
    Seachmall
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    44leto wrote: »
    In both these cases it was with legally held firearms
    In both instances the legality of the weapon shouldn't be the issue, much like the legality of cars shouldn't be an issue when someone intentionally runs someone down.

    Those type of arguments tend to be made by people who have their mind made up and refused to allow any counter-arguments penetrate their opinions.

    In the long run those people are the most dangerous of all.
    why not machine gun ownership, or even cannon ownership
    You answered your own question,
    there are degrees of danger from weapons

    Also, my uncle legally owns a cannon. He has yet to turn to piracy or storming castles.
    a gun has 1 primary use, to kill.
    No, a gun has several primary uses depending on it's design and the owner's intent.

    The most common being pest control and sporting.


  • #85
    Conall Cernach
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    I'd love to own a Garand but sadly as I'm not a land owner or friendly with any farmers I'll never have the chance.


  • #86
    44leto
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    In both instances the legality of the weapon shouldn't be the issue, much like the legality of cars shouldn't be an issue when someone intentionally runs someone down.

    Those type of arguments tend to be made by people who have their mind made up and refused to allow any counter-arguments penetrate their opinions.

    In the long run those people are the most dangerous of all.

    You answered your own question,

    No, a gun has several primary uses.


    The most common being pest control and sporting.

    I am listening, pest control, is a valid reason for owning a gun, but according to the OP 215,000 households own a gun, I very much doubt all those guns are for shooting foxes. As for sporting, I do not think that is a valid reason for owning a gun. No more then I think you could own a dangerous dog, because you like dogs.


  • #87
    Seachmall
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    44leto wrote: »
    As for sporting, I do not think that is a valid reason for owning a gun. No more then I think you could own a dangerous dog, because you like dogs.

    What exactly is a dangerous dog? A particular breed or a specific dog that has shown itself to be dangerous?


  • #88
    AEDIC
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    What exactly is a dangerous dog? A particular breed or a specific dog that has shown itself to be dangerous?

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/index.html

    As defined by section 22


  • #89
    Seachmall
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    AEDIC wrote: »
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/index.html

    As defined by section 22

    So a specific dog.

    I agree with that.

    It's just that the generalizations that all dogs of specific breeds will attack, or are more likely to attack, are simply ignoring the more direct issue.


    I'm sure there's a metaphor in there somewhere...


  • #90
    Batsy
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    I would keep a gun in my home to defend myself and my property from burglars or any other scumbag who shouldn't be in there.


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  • #91
    Nothingbetter2d
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    Bonesy. wrote: »
    I didn't even know they were legal in Ireland. No don't really see the point.

    only rifles and shotguns are legal in ireland but you must have a license for them.


    handguns / sub machine / machine guns are only permitted for use by the army and Specially trained Cops


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