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Girl allegedly raped on Brazilian Big Brother

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  • #122
    hairyslug
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    Must be troll night out tonight


  • #123
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Millicent wrote: »
    This thread is actually depressing. I knew there were still some knuckle-draggers who apportion blame to the victim lurking in society, but it is shocking and really saddening to see how prevalent slut shaming is.

    They're fuckwits Millicent, but I don't know it's all that 'prevalent'. Only two of them really posting in the thread and while that's two too many you have to remember that dicks like that are drawn to threads like these like flies to shit. Which can give an impression of over representation. I would hope, at least.


  • #124
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    Belly_Dancer wrote: »
    people (that includes men also btw) must take RESPONSIBILITY for their own safety.

    Liza finished her account with, "I don't think a woman ever deserves to be raped, but at the same time I do believe she has to take personal responsibility for herself".

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-422513/Raped-drunk-does-mean-blame.html#ixzz1jlIOcUEr

    Aaaaannnndddd Banned....


  • #125
    Fluorescence
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    Samich wrote: »
    Is it beyond the realms of possibility the girl went to bed, while later the guy followed in under the covers, they had a little whisper between them and agreed to have sex?

    He is a model so chances are she probably would do it sober, probably.

    Hardly the most far fetched outcome?

    While she just lay there like a corpse and didn't engage at all? Unlikely :confused:


  • #126
    Fear Uladh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Fear Uladh


    Millicent wrote: »
    She was on a television show, for God's sake, drinking while on camera. How in your mind have you conflated that to her inviting an assault?

    ETA: You may be shocked to hear, but it's not actually uncommon for a victim of a crime, especially a sexual one, to seek any way to blame themselves.

    Don't feeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.


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  • #127
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    right Im here [the thread] I have the fire hose! where is this fire?


  • #128
    Pissmire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭Pissmire


    Really? All this outrage about something that happened to one individual, half a world away. I couldn't care less, or even pretend to.


  • #129
    Feisar
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    languagenerd wrote: »
    You might say someone was stupid to leave the window open, but it's still not their fault that someone stole from them!! That's akin to saying "They left their window open, sure what else was the thief going to do?" and completely ignoring the fact that stealing is illegal whether the window is open or not.

    How can you possibly blame anyone for being raped?! Just because they're drunk or walking alone doesn't mean that their right not to be attacked doesn't exist anymore!! Yes, it may be "careless" of them, but that doesn't give anyone the right to rape them. The fact at the end of the day is that the rapist commits the crime, not the victim!

    I said in my post that the blame/fault is the rapists.

    The only thing I'm saying is people need to look out for themselves.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #130
    Yahew
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    Samich wrote: »
    Is it beyond the realms of possibility the girl went to bed, while later the guy followed in under the covers, they had a little whisper between them and agreed to have sex?

    He is a model so chances are she probably would do it sober, probably.

    Hardly the most far fetched outcome?

    well, she couldnt remember the next day.


  • #131
    Samich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭Samich


    fluorescence wrote: »
    While she just lay there like a corpse and didn't engage at all? Unlikely :confused:

    How do you know she didn't engage? She could have been a lazy yoke :pac:

    People have had sex on them shows before, fellas do all the work ;)


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  • #132
    languagenerd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Pissmire wrote: »
    Really? All this outrage about something that happened to one individual, half a world away. I couldn't care less, or even pretend to.

    The outrage is more about the attitudes that some people have towards this event and attacks/assaults/rapes in general.

    Is it any wonder that so many victims don't come forward?! If they thought they'd face that sort of reaction, why would they?!


  • #133
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    strobe wrote: »
    They're fuckwits Millicent, but I don't know it's all that 'prevalent'. Only two of them really posting in the thread and while that's two too many you have to remember that dicks like that are drawn to threads like these like flies to shit. Which can give an impression of over representation. I would hope, at least.

    That's a fair point, Strobe and I'm mellowing myself now before an aneurysm. :pac:

    However, the attitude is still pretty bad in Ireland. An Irish Examiner survey done a few years back showed that a seriously high portion of people still seek to blame the victim in rape cases.

    Couple of reports of the here: Amnesty and RTE.


  • #134
    Fluorescence
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    Samich wrote: »
    How do you know she didn't engage? She could have been a lazy yoke :pac:

    People have had sex on them shows before, fellas do all the work ;)

    That's what the report makes it sound like anyway :pac:. Either way, after an investigation and probably a trial, we will know for sure.


  • #135
    baldbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Just saw the video on youtube. The girl is fast asleep and your man is making movements around her.

    I wonder were people watching this live at home or what?? Reality tv at its worst.

    If she was a sister of mine i'd kill the f*ucker...


  • #136
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Pissmire wrote: »
    Really? All this outrage about something that happened to one individual, half a world away. I couldn't care less, or even pretend to.

    Well thank you for deigning to comment on something you don't care about. :confused:


  • #137
    My_left_leg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭My_left_leg


    strobe wrote: »
    They're fuckwits Millicent, but I don't know it's all that 'prevalent'. Only two of them really posting in the thread and while that's two too many you have to remember that dicks like that are drawn to threads like these like flies to shit. Which can give an impression of over representation. I would hope, at least.

    i agree strobe, but people need to look after themselves.
    there's little point in crying fowl after the event.


  • #138
    languagenerd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Feisar wrote: »
    I said in my post that the blame/fault is the rapists.

    The only thing I'm saying is people need to look out for themselves.

    Sorry, I obviously didn't understand what you meant.

    Yes, people should look out for themselves and personal safety is something that should never be overlooked - but if it is, it's still not their fault, it's the rapist that makes a concious decision to do it. I don't know how people can fail to understand that!


  • #139
    Samich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭Samich


    baldbear wrote: »
    Just saw the video on youtube. The girl is fast asleep and your man is making movements around her.

    I wonder were people watching this live at home or what?? Reality tv at its worst.

    If she was a sister of mine i'd kill the f*ucker...

    Are they both on their sides? Weird position? :pac:


  • #140
    Shane St.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    baldbear wrote: »
    Just saw the video on youtube. The girl is fast asleep and your man is making movements around her.

    I wonder were people watching this live at home or what?? Reality tv at its worst.

    If she was a sister of mine i'd kill the f*ucker...

    why wud u even watch that?


  • #141
    bfocusd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭bfocusd


    I see that daily mail article says that the judge can/will accept the drunken victims silence as consent.

    I think that's a pathetic thing to say, you can be unconscious and be raped, it's more acceptable because you can't defend yourself or refuse him, so he's allowed to f*ck you while your passed out.

    I'm sorry but anyone that can get off in a situation like that needs there head checked to begin with, what's fun/normal about having sex with someone who's like a corpse in bed.

    I'm a believer of innocent till proven guilty and I think the rape rule should be the same as that, anyone in under no circumstance can have consent unless she/he is competent to say yes or no.

    That does bring its problems too, as not everyone has the same level of competence after alcohol, but it should I think be based around the others approval and not taken for granted that she/he didn't stop it so they must give consent.


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  • #142
    Feisar
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    My_left_leg wrote: »
    i agree strobe, but people need to look after themselves.
    there's little point in crying fowl after the event.

    People should look after themselves but if they are raped then they should "cry foul".

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #143
    Samich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭Samich


    Shane St. wrote: »
    why wud u even watch that?

    To get what actually happened.

    Also he's a minute man :pac: Didn't cover himself in glory :pac:


  • #144
    Dudess
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    My_left_leg wrote: »
    people need to look after themselves.
    there's little point in crying fowl after the event.
    If a chicken raped them?


  • #145
    hattoncracker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭hattoncracker


    This is completely shameful.

    Heaven forbid a woman can have a few drinks in the house that she's sharing with other people, get drunk and fall into bed, and believe that she is safe, while on television or not.

    If a guy goes out every weekend and has sex with a different girl, it's grand for him, if a woman goes out and does it, and at some stage in her life gets raped, then she's asking for it. If she wears tight clothes, she's asking for it. If she walks home alone in a dark area, well, tough... She shouldn't have done that, should have known better, it's partly her own fault.
    BULLSH*T.
    Why does there always have to be a "yes, but.."? It's sickening.


  • #146
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    My_left_leg wrote: »
    i agree strobe, but people need to look after themselves.
    there's little point in crying fowl after the event.

    So she's wrong for not expecting the guy to act like an animal who couldn't control himself live on TV?


  • #147
    languagenerd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Millicent wrote: »
    Couple of reports of the here: Amnesty and RTE.

    From the Amnesty one:
    In a 2003 study by Rape Crisis Network Europe, Ireland had the lowest rate of conviction for rape (1%) among 21 European states

    ONE PERCENT?! :eek: That has to be a typo, right?!


  • #148
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Dudess wrote: »
    If a chicken raped them?


    Nobody likes a smart ass, but im sure you know that already;)


  • #149
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Oh thank god people got where I was coming from. I was nearly going to re-reg. I'm out of this thread.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #150
    staker
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    Just saw this on youtube.
    I'd ahve thought rape would've been a lot more violent.
    Is it possible for an extremely inebriated woman to actually sleep through a rape?(like what she seems to have done):confused:


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  • #151
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    languagenerd wrote: »
    From the Amnesty one:

    ONE PERCENT?! :eek: That has to be a typo, right?!

    Nope. It's partly due to the small number of cases that actually get to trial, so the figure can seem a bit minute (trial percentage for conviction is larger), but of the overall rapes in the country, the 1 per cent constitutes those that even make it to trial and are returned with a guilty sentence.


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