Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

tommyhaas · 14-01-2012 07:30PM

Andy Carroll's a completely different type of player to Hooper. Carroll's far from a great footballer, and I would certainly rate Hooper as a better player in terms of technique. However, in the right system, a system set up to allow Carroll play to his strengths, Carroll has the ability to be far more effective at a higher level then Hooper

The way Liverpool play, Carroll is never going to fit in, but last season with Newcastle he was very effective when the attack played to his strengths. As it is, Carroll is wasted at Liverpool

henke · 14-01-2012 07:36PM

Pleased with the result today. Should have been more but 3 points nonetheless. As for Hooper and Southampton. No chance. If he is going to leave it would be to an established PL club.

Dempsey · 14-01-2012 07:56PM

Hooper has signalled his intent on signing a new contract with Celtic. The papers will continue to speculate like they did with Scott Brown despite him repeatedly stating that his only interest was signing a new contract with Celtic.

Only things that Southhampton have to entice Hooper is that he's worked with Nigel Adkins before and a 'peek-a-boo' season in the EPL next season. Its not much of an incentive tbh

the realpigiron · 14-01-2012 08:32PM

Corholio wrote: »

He's not a better player than Carroll. yes, it's not working for him at Liverpool, but id be very confident he'd score more goals then Hooper would in the Prem. You do realise Hooper's been playing against Scottish teams these past 2 seasons right? Worse level than the championship.

Here we go again...... He's only playing in the SPL and scoring against SPL defences......blah blah blah......

Hooper is English, has proven ability, and has a couple of years? left on his contract with Celtic. He will cost any English club an arm and a leg to buy him. Southampton have NO chance of signing Hooper - NO CHANCE.

If Hooper goes - and it certainly wont be in January - it will be to a bigger club than Southampton and for big money. It's not a foregone conclusion that he will leave either, remember Larsson spent his prime years at Parkhead.

Anyone know how long Hooper has on his current contract with Celtic?

dartbhoy · 14-01-2012 08:50PM

Andy Carroll a better player than Hooper,that's a laugh!

Another vital 3 points today for Celtic. Dundee Utd put it up to Celtic in the 2nd half and there was some nervy moments but at the end of the day it's all about the 3 points and thankfully we got them today. 11 wins on the trot now for Celtic and hopefully they keep up this impressive run.

the realpigiron · 14-01-2012 08:54PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Andy Carroll's a completely different type of player to Hooper. Carroll's far from a great footballer, and I would certainly rate Hooper as a better player in terms of technique. However, in the right system, a system set up to allow Carroll play to his strengths, Carroll has the ability to be far more effective at a higher level then Hooper

The way Liverpool play, Carroll is never going to fit in, but last season with Newcastle he was very effective when the attack played to his strengths. As it is, Carroll is wasted at Liverpool

Yes they are different types of players. The biggest difference between the two is - Hooper scores goals. Hooper is the type of striker who will score at any level.

If any EPL sides want to buy him they will have to pay through the nose for him.

PauloMN · 14-01-2012 10:36PM

the realpigiron wrote: »

Yes they are different types of players. The biggest difference between the two is - Hooper scores goals. Hooper is the type of striker who will score at any level.

If any EPL sides want to buy him they will have to pay through the nose for him.

There's another rather large difference.... around £33m!!!

:D

Liverpool paid insane money for Carroll.

eire4 · 14-01-2012 10:48PM

Similar game to the 2-1 win over Dunfermline a while back I thought. Brilliant performance by Celtic in the first half and really Dundee United were lucky to be only 2-0 behind at the break. The second half started the same to be fair and then out of nowhere comes Rankin's shot. But we fully deserved the win even though we didn't kill the game off when we should have. Mulgrew and Rogne were brilliant I though while Forster made a couple of key saves. Wanyama was man of the match for me though. He was everywhere winning tackles and closing players down. Plus what a great header for what proved to be the match winner. All in all a solid performance today.

Eirebear · 14-01-2012 10:49PM

I can't believe this conversation is even happening. Hopper is in brilliant form, and has been for a year and a half now. Carroll, well Carroll isn't.
Put either player in a position where they are playing with confidence, and in a side which gives then the service that all strikers need and they'll score goals.

It just so happen that hopper is getting that at Celtic while Carroll isn't.

Dempsey · 14-01-2012 11:09PM

You could argue that Carroll isnt getting decent crosses to use his biggest asset but he is getting service, he is missing chances and it can be argued that he's one dimensional and cannot adapt to a different gameplan other than the one used at Newcastle to get the best out of him.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-01-2012 11:15PM

Dempsey wrote: »

You could argue that Carroll isnt getting decent crosses to use his biggest asset but he is getting service, he is missing chances and it can be argued that he's one dimensional and cannot adapt to a different gameplan other than the one used at Newcastle to get the best out of him.

You could also argue that Carroll's off the field lifestyle is unprofessional and it's telling on the park

henke · 14-01-2012 11:35PM

You could even say that maybe Andy Carroll is not that good a striker and at half the price would still be far too expensive

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A Dub in Glasgo · 14-01-2012 11:39PM

You could even say forget about Carroll and more of the same Mr. Hooper

PARKHEAD67 · 14-01-2012 11:52PM

PauloMN wrote: »

There's another rather large difference.... around £33m!!! :D

Liverpool paid insane money for Carroll.

It will go down in the history books as the biggest waste of money ever.And I mean EVER. Apart from the e-voting machines:D

ColeTrain · 15-01-2012 12:01AM

Caroll vs Hooper? Two different players but if I had to choose one to start for Celtic then it would be Hooperman.

Another 3 points is what matters today, let's keep this run going.

PARKHEAD67 · 15-01-2012 12:05AM

Corholio wrote: »

Not inconvenient at all, Im taking everything into account. So Hooper's a better player because he scored more goals in the championship? I think Hooper's a good player, but I don't think he's a better player than Carroll. IMO I think Southampton would be a very good move for Hooper, would probably be playing Premiership next year.

Sweet Christ.Take this man away.Southampton is a better club than Celtic???? Take him away. Go easy on him. The lad needs a psychiatrist:D;)

bobbysands81 · 15-01-2012 12:51AM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Sweet Christ.Take this man away.Southampton is a better club than Celtic???? Take him away. Go easy on him. The lad needs a psychiatrist:D;)

Did you not know that the world of soccer behind and ends with the EPL, nothing else matters!

bobbysands81 · 15-01-2012 12:55AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Caroll vs Hooper? Two different players but if I had to choose one to start for Celtic then it would be Hooperman.

Another 3 points is what matters today, let's keep this run going.

It's simple, one scores goals the other doesn't.

Even when they played in the Championship Hooper outscored Carroll.

They're different players with different styles but anyone that watches Hooper can see that the guy has class, superb movement and can finish.

Carroll is a battering ram that has never scored as freely as Hooper.

PARKHEAD67 · 15-01-2012 01:02AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Did you not know that the world of soccer behind and ends with the EPL, nothing else matters!

Ive been told that bobby at work many times.Its the best league ever. we both know thats not the case.A League where 35million for andy carroll is normal is clearly a league where reality and normality is long gone.Reality is basically gone.Gary Hooper is a MUCH better player than Carroll.We know this.Deep down, the EPL brigade know this.But they'll never admit it.I laugh at some of the transfer fees in the EPL.

Corholio · 15-01-2012 02:16AM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Sweet Christ.Take this man away.Southampton is a better club than Celtic???? Take him away. Go easy on him. The lad needs a psychiatrist:D;)

Do you ever try and argue in a non-childish exaggerated manner, seriously?
Where did I say Southampton was a better club than Celtic? But they will be playing in a better league, are you saying the SPL is better? On your 'point' about EPL, i'm about as far away from the EPL brigade as you can get, but it's still a lot better then the SPL. Of course there's crazy transfer fees in the EPL, if Celtic were playing there they'd be paying overinflated fee's too, your deluded to think different.

tommyhaas · 15-01-2012 03:54AM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Ive been told that bobby at work many times.Its the best league ever. we both know thats not the case.A League where 35million for andy carroll is normal is clearly a league where reality and normality is long gone.Reality is basically gone.Gary Hooper is a MUCH better player than Carroll.We know this.Deep down, the EPL brigade know this.But they'll never admit it.I laugh at some of the transfer fees in the EPL.

Oh I don't think its just the EPL in which you can spend huge money and literally end up with Scheidt :pac:

ColeTrain · 15-01-2012 04:01AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

It's simple, one scores goals the other doesn't.

Even when they played in the Championship Hooper outscored Carroll.

They're different players with different styles but anyone that watches Hooper can see that the guy has class, superb movement and can finish.

Carroll is a battering ram that has never scored as freely as Hooper.

I think Caroll could be a good player for Liverpool - if you forget the ridiculous transfer fee.. If he were to hit a run of form and start scoring goals then we wouldn't be hearing half as much about him.

Hooper and Stokes are playing some good stuff now. Stokesy for Euro 2012 and Hooper to keep proving why he's better than Big Andy

RoryMac · 15-01-2012 04:03AM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Oh I don't think its just the EPL in which you can spend huge money and literally end up with Scheidt :pac:

That's Flo sure!

ColeTrain · 15-01-2012 04:03AM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Oh I don't think its just the EPL in which you can spend huge money and literally end up with Scheidt :pac:

In todays transfer market that signing wouldn't even be thought about now. I suppose though you can't forget shi*e though!

ColeTrain · 15-01-2012 04:05AM

RoryMac wrote: »

That's Flo sure!

Nearly double the money for that other scheidt too.

tommyhaas · 15-01-2012 01:22PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

In todays transfer market that signing wouldn't even be thought about now. I suppose though you can't forget shi*e though!

Its all relevant to the time though. When Scheidt was signed, that was huge money, particularly for a defender. I had a quick look there, and Scheidt's transfer fee was 13% of Celtic's revenue that year whereas Andy Carroll's fee was 19% of Liverpool's. So in terms of the relative cost to each club, it was similar

PARKHEAD67 · 15-01-2012 02:26PM

[QUOTE=Corholio;76519783]Do you ever try and argue in a non-childish exaggerated manner, seriously?
Where did I say Southampton was a better club than Celtic? But they will be playing in a better league, are you saying the SPL is better? On your 'point' about EPL, i'm about as far away from the EPL brigade as you can get, but it's still a lot better then the SPL. Of course there's crazy transfer fees in the EPL, if Celtic were playing there they'd be paying overinflated fee's too, your deluded to think different.[/QUOTE]
No. By the way moving to Southampton from Celtic would be comparable to leaving a plate of caviar behind and eating a battered sausage instead.

lubo_moravcik · 15-01-2012 02:37PM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

PauloMN wrote: »

There's another rather large difference.... around £33m!!! :D

Liverpool paid insane money for Carroll.

It will go down in the history books as the biggest waste of money ever.And I mean EVER. Apart from the e-voting machines:D

I'll see your Carroll and raise you Tore Andre Flo

lubo_moravcik · 15-01-2012 02:41PM

A 22hr round trip to see The Bhoys yesterday, always worthwhile when coming home with 3 points.
Wanyama is an absolute belter, fair play to John Park, I hope he continues to uncover more gems like this.

PARKHEAD67 · 15-01-2012 02:43PM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I'll see your Carroll and raise you Tore Andre Flo

Flo wasnt that bad.He just couldnt score against Celtic.Just like Boydychenko.Carroll is a disgraceful waste of money.Would he get a game with St. Johnstone.I'd prefer Cillian Sheridan any day:D

Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

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