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tiles/slates

  • 03-01-2012 06:56PM
    #1
    confused_help
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    Hi were looking at tiles/slates for our new build. We were considering clay blue bangor tiles, cement tiles and thrutone slates. Budget is a consideration but so is colour guarantee. Any recommendations? Pm please. Thanks


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  • #2
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    What is your roof designed for, a light slate roof or a heavy concrete tile roof?


  • #3
    the keen edge
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    What is your roof designed for, a light slate roof or a heavy concrete tile roof?

    Is this ever a consideration for domestic roof design?.

    I've never seen a set of (domestic) drawings that have specified the roof finish to be either slates or concrete tiles, due to the weight related to either type of material.

    I'm not saying it could never occur, only that the situation where it may occur is very rare, almost unheard of.


    Restriction on roof finish material due to planning conditions may be an issue, but very doubtful due to structural conditions.

    Poor UT, I'm guessing you're a Architect or Technician?.
    I'm a carpenter and just interested if you have designed domestic roofs with this consideration, and if so, for what reason?.


  • #4
    confused_help
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    Hi the plans just say a natural Spanish slate is to be used. The planning permission just has a restriction on the colour. We are going for blue black colour.


  • #5
    North West
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    Hi confused.
    your plan says Natural Spanish Slate. did you get permission on those terms ?
    What ever product you use there is a colour guarantee. Read the guarantee carefully!!!. It will state something like a visual guarantee that the product when viewed from a distance looks good or similiar wording.
    There is no company that will give you a colour guarantee on product. Every product when exposed to the elements will fade slightly. The fading element will be constant across the roof and will not seriously effect the roof appearance.
    When considering your roofing cover be it slate/tile, there is a weight consideration involved as well as your choice on product, which could increase your budget.You may have to use heavier roofing timbers for tiles as their spread weight across roof would be at least two and a half times heavier than slate approx.
    Nw


  • #6
    confused_help
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    Hi thanks for the reply. We got planning with tegral thrutone on the plans, but our architect has suggested natural slates as he thinks it will look better with natural stone which we plan to have on the house. We have been looking into tegral rivendale- if we can get a good price:D


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  • #7
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    the keen edge wrote: »
    Is this ever a consideration for domestic roof design?.

    I've never seen a set of (domestic) drawings that have specified the roof finish to be either slates or concrete tiles, due to the weight related to either type of material.
    No but I have designed the roof supporting timbers differently for Slate, Concrete Tiles, profiled uPVC sheeting, Thatch, Copper, grass and Shingle finishes
    the keen edge wrote: »
    I'm not saying it could never occur, only that the situation where it may occur is very rare, almost unheard of.
    I'd say it happens more often than you think, not specifically on small domestic builds, but it does happen.
    the keen edge wrote: »
    Restriction on roof finish material due to planning conditions may be an issue, but very doubtful due to structural conditions.
    Agreed.
    the keen edge wrote: »
    Poor UT, I'm guessing you're a Architect or Technician?.
    I'm a carpenter and just interested if you have designed domestic roofs with this consideration, and if so, for what reason?.
    I have seen cases where roofing timbers have been grossly over engineered for the finish on them and conversely I have seen tiled storey and a half roofs where the drawings don't even show a purlin. It works both ways.


  • #8
    North West
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    Hi Confused.
    To have roof finished in Natural Slate would cost approx two and a half times the price of Thrutone slates. The fitting costs may have come back a bit in the times were in, but it is expensive to use natural slates ( worth it but expensive ) More labour intensive as natural slate needs to be graded as against Thrutone which dont. Battens sizes increase.
    NW


  • #9
    North West
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    Hi confused
    Rivendale is a nice slate. Good choice. Make sure when you are ordering you get the same batch no's on pallets. Different batch no;s may vary in colour slightly. Don't forget your ridge tiles/copper crampions/slate nails/slate trim etc when ordering these can be expensive enough. A lot of people never think about them ? Can give you a bit of a shock ?
    NW


  • #10
    DanGerMus
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    Can i just hijack the thread here and ask whats the cheapest way to finish a roof all in?


  • #11
    the keen edge
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    DanGerMus wrote: »
    Can i just hijack the thread here and ask whats the cheapest way to finish a roof all in?

    Assuming that you're referring to a pitched roof on a private dwelling, I would think that pressed metal sheeting would be the cheapest, the kind of stuff you'd see in a trailer park.
    Utterly horrible, but cheap!

    Other than above flat concrete roof tile would be the cheapest.

    Again the planning conditions would probably specify the types of finishes that are agreeable.


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  • #12
    DanGerMus
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    Thanks TKE,
    Well ignoring absolutely horrible stuff, or anything that is likely to not be allowed i dont suppose you could list in ascending order the types and cost per sqm? :D

    What about that profile steel sheet or even insulated panel? how do they work out? You know the stuff thats supposed to look like tile.


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