'State paid €530m to private schools in last five years'.

Sean Bateman · 10-06-2011 11:08PM

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I attended Gonzaga and there were two people based on the northside in my year. The ratio in the Junior Cycle is also higher than 18:1 in any case.

You claim that Gonzaga is your alma mater but you don't know that it doesn't have a junior school...hmmm

Aldito · 11-06-2011 05:26PM

Sean Bateman wrote: »

You claim that Gonzaga is your alma mater but you don't know that it doesn't have a junior school...hmmm

Junior Cycle =/= Junior School

11-06-2011 05:39PM

No, it's not fair: the subsidy should be ended and the money invested in state schools

If the parents are paying taxes then their kids are entitled to state funded education, if they want to pay extra for better facilities etc in a private school then fair play but the teachers should still be paid for by the state.

Also should be noted parents of private school kids are much more likely to be paying a higher proportion of tax then the public school parents.Why shouldnt their kids teachers be paid for by the state.

lazygal · 03-01-2012 06:11PM

It should be reduced significantly and more money should be invested in deprived schools

Don't get how this is still going on. Irish taxpayers are subsidising private schools for closeted elites while some schools are struggling to get by. How long is this going to go on for before the nettle is grasped and we stop paying for this nonsense.

mackg · 03-01-2012 06:14PM

Not one link, fact or figure in the OP. Good job.

mickdw · 03-01-2012 06:18PM

Im open to correction here but Im pretty sure the cost per child to the state of a child in private school is less than that of a normal school. That being the case, its a pretty damn good deal for the state.

John Doe1 · 03-01-2012 06:19PM

Because how else can we keep the posh twats away from normal society?

Anita Blow · 03-01-2012 06:21PM

Because rich people, just like normal people pay for their constitutionally-guaranteed education for their kids through their taxes

CardBordWindow · 03-01-2012 06:21PM

John Doe1 wrote: »

Because how else can we keep the posh twats away from normal society?

If the posh twats were to go to a public school, they'd only get bullied!

mconigol · 03-01-2012 06:22PM

lazygal wrote: »

Don't get how this is still going on. Irish taxpayers are subsidising private schools for closeted elites while some schools are struggling to get by. How long is this going to go on for before the nettle is grasped and we stop paying for this nonsense.

Awww....is somebody jealous?

Eathrin · 03-01-2012 06:23PM

I see where you're coming from, but it's not quite as simple as just cutting them off. There would be a large knock on effect if that was done which would probably end up costing the state more.

juan.kerr · 03-01-2012 06:23PM

No, it's not fair: the subsidy should be ended and the money invested in state schools

My understanding is the government pays the same amount per student as they would if the students were going to a non-private school.

As such I don't see the problem. Their parents are taxpayers, are they not entitled to have some of the cost of the education paid for by the state? If not, why should this group of taxpayers be penalised by funding the public education system and the complete cost of the private education?

Superbus · 03-01-2012 06:24PM

John Doe1 wrote: »

Because how else can we keep the posh twats away from normal society?

Or at the very least people with attitudes like this.

John Doe1 · 03-01-2012 06:29PM

Superbus wrote: »

Or at the very least people with attitudes like this.

I wasnt being serious.........

But come to my college which is infested with pretentious southsiders and try not to develop some aversion to their ilk

TheZohanS · 03-01-2012 06:31PM

No, it's not fair: the subsidy should be ended and the money invested in state schools

Hey OP try the search button, this subject was covered not so long ago and we all agreed that Private schools are ace.

Turtyturd · 03-01-2012 06:33PM

mackg wrote: »

Not one link, fact or figure in the OP. Good job.

You missed the OP's name.

Superbus · 03-01-2012 06:33PM

John Doe1 wrote: »

I wasnt being serious.........

I figured. But there are those who think like that.

John Doe1 wrote: »

But come to my college which is infested with pretentious southsiders and try not to develop some aversion to their ilk

I'll probably end up among that very ilk I'm afraid

HovaBaby · 03-01-2012 06:35PM

It should be reduced significantly and more money should be invested in deprived schools

mackg wrote: »

Not one link, fact or figure in the OP. Good job.

Isn't the fact that the Irish government is subsidising private schools not a fact?

I watched Primetime a couple of episodes back and I have heard about this.

Morag · 03-01-2012 06:43PM

The dept of education pays a grant per child to the school it attends.
All schools get the same grant per child.

Bruce7 · 03-01-2012 06:44PM

People who go to private schools end up paying most of the tax in the country, and also spend several times as much money as other people on goods and services that are functionally identical to their cheaper counterparts.

It is in the state's, and everybody's, interest to invest in ensuring a steady supply of these mugs.

As investments go, it's probably one of the best yielding in the world. Invest a few grand a year for six years and receive back 50% of a 6 figure salary for 40 years afterwards. Where else would you find it?

mackg · 03-01-2012 07:01PM

HovaBaby wrote: »

Isn't the fact that the Irish government is subsidising private schools not a fact?

I watched Primetime a couple of episodes back and I have heard about this.

No, no it's not.

If you want to talk about prime time go to the TV forum.

If you want to make a topic to discuss something include some info about it, don't just go "here lads read up on that and get back to me".

TheZohanS · 03-01-2012 07:08PM

No, it's not fair: the subsidy should be ended and the money invested in state schools

lazygal wrote: »

Don't get how this is still going on. Irish taxpayers are subsidising private schools for closeted elites while some schools are struggling to get by. How long is this going to go on for before the nettle is grasped and we stop paying for this nonsense.

Well trolled btw.

Robdude · 03-01-2012 07:24PM

I'm beginning to believe Irish take pride in getting screwed by the tax man.

biko · 03-01-2012 07:25PM

Merged with a previous thread that had a meatier OP with info etc.

Suryavarman · 03-01-2012 08:46PM

It should be reduced significantly and more money should be invested in deprived schools

I'd be in favour of simply withdrawing these subsidies in their current form and replacing them with a voucher system.

At the moment the primary beneficiaries of this set up are the rich and middle income families. While I am opposed to all types of government welfare I fail to see how anyone can justify welfare for the rich or middle classes.

If we were to adopt a voucher system this would allow working class children to get out of bad state run schools and into private schools. We could also incentivise parents to find cheaper private schools by allowing them to keep some of the savings which will help save the government money. In areas of the US where there are voucher systems they are extremely popular with parents.

Whilst I would go further and suggest that the state should stay out of education completely, I believe a voucher system would be a step in the right direction.

washman3 · 03-01-2012 09:19PM

It should be reduced significantly and more money should be invested in deprived schools

Daegerty wrote: »

Why would you bother. Private schools they are just little bubbles for rich kids to grow up in far detached from the real world

well said.!!
and from this little bubble grew the posh little kids into arrogant self serving egotists to create their little pet project called the property bubble which in turn destroyed this country.

this absurd,disgraceful,immoral,elitist practice should be stopped immediately. we subsidise these twats while we implement cuts of €9 a week to an elderly person on a blind pension.
what a f****d up country.

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 09:39PM

washman3 wrote: »

Daegerty wrote: »

Why would you bother. Private schools they are just little bubbles for rich kids to grow up in far detached from the real world

well said.!!
and from this little bubble grew the posh little kids into arrogant self serving egotists to create their little pet project called the property bubble which in turn destroyed this country.

this absurd,disgraceful,immoral,elitist practice should be stopped immediately. we subsidise these twats while we implement cuts of €9 a week to an elderly person on a blind pension.
what a f****d up country.

While ordinary schools have to fight tooth & nail to retain sna's and other schools who have lost funding, I send my kids to the local ET school I have to somehow contribute €260 that's separate to the €140 I gave in September because the dept of frigging education fail to properly fund schools. The only reason I see people sending their kids to fee paying schools is for networking, bankers tds who have obvisously screwed and continue to screw us are all past pupils of a fee paying school , even out current incumbent minister of miss-education is a blackrock boy, my school does not even have a pe hall and currently rents a old hostel and it's unbelievable to think these private schools are funded by the state

Chuck Stone · 03-01-2012 09:49PM

Bruce7 wrote: »

People who go to private schools end up paying most of the tax in the country,

1. Source?

2. Simplistic reasoning.

3. Also, is it tax paid in the productive economy?

How many of those who go to 'private' schools end up as a further drain on the tax-payer as some of the highest paid CS/PS workers in Europe (the world?).

03-01-2012 09:54PM

No, it's not fair: the subsidy should be ended and the money invested in state schools

gcgirl wrote: »

While ordinary schools have to fight tooth & nail to retain sna's and other schools who have lost funding, I send my kids to the local ET school I have to somehow contribute €260 that's separate to the €140 I gave in September because the dept of frigging education fail to properly fund schools. The only reason I see people sending their kids to fee paying schools is for networking, bankers tds who have obvisously screwed and continue to screw us are all past pupils of a fee paying school , even out current incumbent minister of miss-education is a blackrock boy, my school does not even have a pe hall and currently rents a old hostel and it's unbelievable to think these private schools are funded by the state

You say your son goes to an ET? So he is in primary school?

Private Primary schools get zero state funding. Just FYI.

gcgirl · 03-01-2012 09:58PM

whoopsadaisydoodles wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

While ordinary schools have to fight tooth & nail to retain sna's and other schools who have lost funding, I send my kids to the local ET school I have to somehow contribute €260 that's separate to the €140 I gave in September because the dept of frigging education fail to properly fund schools. The only reason I see people sending their kids to fee paying schools is for networking, bankers tds who have obvisously screwed and continue to screw us are all past pupils of a fee paying school , even out current incumbent minister of miss-education is a blackrock boy, my school does not even have a pe hall and currently rents a old hostel and it's unbelievable to think these private schools are funded by the state

You say your son goes to an ET? So he is in primary school?

Private Primary schools get zero state funding. Just FYI.

So your saying Willow park gets no funding ?
Well then wtf does the senior end(blackrock)of things get state funding ?

'State paid €530m to private schools in last five years'.

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