Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Jayob10 · 31-12-2011 04:11PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Sorry mate, I read your post as making the Rush comparison.

As for Bent, well as already said I would not be keen on getting him as I don't think he would cost as much or even more than a better player, but I do think he would get more goals than what we have at the moment in the team, and I certainly think he would outscore Carroll.

As for a 30 league goals a season man being easier for a team to carry than a 15 goal man, yeah he is. But a 15 goal man is easier to carry than a 5 to 7 goal man.

If I was looking for a striker for the team right now, I would be trying to get the man that I thought would get the most goals and how he is in other departments would be a bonus but not essential as long as he can finish on a regular basis.

Huntelaar would be my choice of target based on the above, and based on not making myself miserable dreaming of much more expensive players.
Welliton I think would cost more than Huntelaar, but I think has way more potential and offers a bit more variety in attack thanks to his pace and skills.

If the club wanted to spend big money again there is no shortage of names out there. Leanardo and Leandro Damiao just to throw two more brazilians into the mix.

Cavani, Falcao, and Llorente to throw three more that would cost big money.

Or we could go down the route of gambling on the likes of De jong, or Moestafa El Kabir as cheaper back up strikers that might have the potential to get better.

Midfield is where I would want the club to bring in real quality first, but if a quality finisher was available and the club had the money to spare without it causing other transfers to be cancelled, then they would be mad not to at least try to bring someone in. Imho of course

Ideally we would sign a player of the ilk of Moussa Sissoko, quality at shielding the defence but offers something when we are in possession aswell (cheaper alternative to M'Vila). We would sign someone quality between the lines, I always mention the guys name but Stefan Jovetic would be an amazing signing for us, Guile and creativity that we desperately need.

Then we would sign a striker, Higuain would be my number one target in the summer, with possibly Huntelaar as the back up option.

But this is business that would be more likely done in the summer if we were lucky.

Throw in Lucas Rodrigues Moura da Silva for the right hand side and we are motoring

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:11PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Luuk De Jong has been watched numerous times by Liverool.

And was meant to be one of the guests at the game last Monday

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:15PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Ideally we would sign a player of the ilk of Moussa Sissoko, quality at shielding the defence but offers something when we are in possession aswell (cheaper alternative to M'Vila). We would sign someone quality between the lines, I always mention the guys name but Stefan Jovetic would be an amazing signing for us, Guile and creativity that we desperately need.

Then we would sign a striker, Higuain would be my number one target in the summer, with possibly Huntelaar as the back up option.

But this is business that would be more likely done in the summer if we were lucky.

Throw in Lucas Rodrigues Moura da Silva for the right hand side and we are motoring

Much as I like M'Vila as a player, Sissoko has always been the one that I have thought would become the better player in time. He is already very good, with crazy stamina. Good tackler, good passer, good speed, decent in the air, and although he is an excellent defensive player he is also good going forward. Basically he has everything that Momo Sissoko has to his game coupled with good control, good passing, and a tad more aggression.

I still have a hankering for someone like Gary Medel as well. A real snarly rottweiler of a player.

His fellow countryman Vidal would be a dream signing for me though.

Lucas on the right side would be awesome, but I shudder to think at how much he would cost.:D

Super-Rush · 31-12-2011 04:17PM

I don't usually do this, but ha ha ha ha ha ha happy birthday fergie.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 04:18PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Our midfield is doing alright, but nothing great either. I think genuine quality in the centre could see the midfield actually start to chip in with more by way of goals and assists, something that it has not been great at this season. I think a player that can bring some steel to the centre, along with genuine ball winning abilities would give more freedom to the attackers. I'm not talking about a CM that can only do the DM role though, I would be thinking of a very good allrounder who would be a step up on what we have.

I do agree that a quality finisher is something we need, and that Carroll does not look like he will be that man anytime soon.

I also think we need a proper right sided attacker that is good enough to force the other team into leaving gaps elsewhere in order to try and stop him.

What do you think of Fernando at Porto, being linked in some places. Expensive though. If we ended up with a really good midfielder and a productive striker I'd be happy.

I think 4th is really attainable. We just need to be decisive in January.

Would anyone straight out swap Bent for Carroll?

ASOT · 31-12-2011 04:21PM

Id love to see johnson pushed up the wing for a game or two and play as an out and out winger, like what spurs eventually done with bale! Would be worth a punt and would even give kelly some game time.

Could be alone on that one though.

Turtyturd · 31-12-2011 04:22PM

El Pistolero wrote: »

I don't usually do this, but ha ha ha ha ha ha happy birthday fergie.

Wrong thread.:pac:

Jayob10 · 31-12-2011 04:23PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

What do you think of Fernando at Porto, being linked in some places. Expensive though. If we ended up with a really good midfielder and a productive striker I'd be happy.

I think 4th is really attainable. We just need to be decisive in January.

Would anyone straight out swap Bent for Carroll?

its funny you mention that, I reckon Carroll would be the ideal striker for the way McLeish has them playing. Far more route one. But its never going to happen, big transfers like that are very rarely swap deals, apart from the Ibra/Eto'o deal.

Plus theres no way Carroll would go there. Nor would I swap him for Bent.

As bad as we say Carroll is, theres room for improvement there whereas Bent is the finished article. And not vastly better.

Phoenix Park · 31-12-2011 04:26PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Ideally we would sign a player of the ilk of Moussa Sissoko, quality at shielding the defence but offers something when we are in possession aswell (cheaper alternative to M'Vila). We would sign someone quality between the lines, I always mention the guys name but Stefan Jovetic would be an amazing signing for us, Guile and creativity that we desperately need.

Then we would sign a striker, Higuain would be my number one target in the summer, with possibly Huntelaar as the back up option.

But this is business that would be more likely done in the summer if we were lucky.

Throw in Lucas Rodrigues Moura da Silva for the right hand side and we are motoring

Jovetic signed a new 5 year contract recently enough. Would cost a fortune and seems happy there, i think we can now strike him off the list i'm afraid.

Jayob10 · 31-12-2011 04:28PM

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Jovetic signed a new 5 year contract recently enough. Would cost a fortune and seems happy there, i think we can now strike him off the list i'm afraid.

Yeah I heard that, but all it means is a bigger bid is needed

Either that or i'll settle for Christian Eriksen of Ajax

K-9 · 31-12-2011 04:33PM

Quality DM, Right winger and a poacher and we'd have a top 4 squad IMO. Probably take to the Summer to get them all but it would be some transformation in less than 2 years.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 04:38PM

Why do we need a quality DM ?

Mr Alan · 31-12-2011 04:40PM

K-9 wrote: »

Quality DM, Right winger and a poacher and we'd have a top 4 squad IMO. Probably take to the Summer to get them all but it would be some transformation in less than 2 years.

On the DM, I think we're in a bit of a bind. Lucas is one of the best around. Not many players gonna be happy to be second fiddle to him when he's back. No point spending the mad money it would take to buy one of the few in the world who'd be an upgrade on him.

Spearing has impressed me between the end of last season & his appearances this. I think he could be a very good squad player for us where previously I never really thought that at all.

stumpypeeps · 31-12-2011 04:40PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do we need a quality DM ?

Cover for Lucas whose out for the season.

noodler · 31-12-2011 04:41PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do we need a quality DM ?

Lucas has certainly come into the role alot more but I think his absence has probably highlighted our lack of options in this area.

I am still on the fence about Spearing despite his rise under Kenny.

However, a really quality DM implies dropping Lucas, Adam or Hendo (unless you want this quality DM on the bench).

ASOT · 31-12-2011 04:42PM

Spearing played the lucas role perfect yesterday and went up in my books.

People underestimate lucas, hes not a flashy player and does the simple things but rarely puts a foot wrong. Imo hes one of or if not the best DM in the league.

noodler · 31-12-2011 04:42PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

On the DM, I think we're in a bit of a bind. Lucas is one of the best around. Not many players gonna be happy to be second fiddle to him when he's back. No point spending the mad money it would take to buy one of the few in the world who'd be an upgrade on him.

Spearing has impressed me between the end of last season & his appearances this. I think he could be a very good squad player for us where previously I never really thought that at all.

noodler wrote: »

Lucas has certainly come into the role alot more but I think his absence has probably highlighted our lack of options in this area.

I am still on the fence about Spearing despite his rise under Kenny.

However, a really quality DM implies dropping Lucas, Adam or Hendo (unless you want this quality DM on the bench).

Jesus Alan, this only happens once a year.

Leiva · 31-12-2011 04:42PM

QPR , Villa & Swansea could really finish off a great day .

noodler · 31-12-2011 04:45PM

mixednuts wrote: »

QPR , Villa & Swansea could really finish off a great day .

0-1 Spurs, well done you sap!

redzerdrog · 31-12-2011 04:46PM

If we could only sign one player this window I would like a right winger that is also comfortable on the right side of a front 3.

ilovelamp2000 · 31-12-2011 04:47PM

ASOT wrote: »

Spearing played the lucas role perfect yesterday and went up in my books.

People underestimate lucas, hes not a flashy player and does the simple things but rarely puts a foot wrong. Imo hes one of or if not the best DM in the league.

What you're actually seeing is that anyone can play that role pretty capably. Spearing is still a very limited player.

If you limit the role to sitting in front of the back four and playing short passes even average fullbacks like Gareth Barry and Phil Neville can look good doing it.

Whereas when you get genuinely good players like Gerrard in the middle of the pitch, you see what can happen.

MD1990 · 31-12-2011 04:48PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

What you're actually seeing is that anyone can play that role pretty capably. Spearing is still a very limited player.

If you limit the role to sitting in front of the back four and playing short passes even average fullbacks like Gareth Barry and Phil Neville can look good doing it.

Whereas when you get genuinely good players like Gerrard in the middle of the pitch, you see what can happen.

Spearing is a good player imo
great pass to Henderson for Gerrard's goal

Turtyturd · 31-12-2011 04:48PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do we need a quality DM ?

I think it is more that someone who can provide cover for Lucas is needed. I don't think Spearing is good enough for that, even before he was sent off against Fulham they were finding acres of room in front of the defence. And last night he lunged into two or three tackles which were similar to the sending off incident and could have resulted in another red card if he caught the player. We cannot afford that liability.

K-9 · 31-12-2011 04:50PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do we need a quality DM ?

Mr Alan wrote: »

On the DM, I think we're in a bit of a bind. Lucas is one of the best around. Not many players gonna be happy to be second fiddle to him when he's back. No point spending the mad money it would take to buy one of the few in the world who'd be an upgrade on him.

Spearing has impressed me between the end of last season & his appearances this. I think he could be a very good squad player for us where previously I never really thought that at all.

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Cover for Lucas whose out for the season.

I'd be thinking more a player like Sissoko that the lads are going on about. Somebody like that would really add to the team, a good all round type which we don't really have. Somebody like that and we'd have loads of options in the CM/AM positions.

Lucas was developing his game and starting to become that type of player so it depends if Kenny would want to stick with him alone, with Spearing as a limited back up or add to the team. Gerrard is better playing the AM role as is Shelvey, Adam while I like him isn't good enough to be starting every game and Henderson needs time, plus he doesn't do much defensively.

A Meireles replacement with a bit more steel. Seeing as he left at the last minute and Lucas is out, personally I think it is the most likely signing.

skydish79 · 31-12-2011 04:55PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Definitely do not agree.

Gerrard, Adam, Henderson, Shelvey & Spearing all for CM positions.

Our problem don't lie in the centre of midfield, its with finishing.

A consistent finisher is what we need. In fact, as someone mentioned him, a Gary Lineker would be perfect

Gerrard aint gonna be around for ever, Adam isnt a good enough central midfielder

Im looking to pair somebody of quality with either Lucas/Henderson

The tempo of our play is all controlled from the centre, without gerrard coming on last night this wouldnt have changed no matter who was up top

Kess73 · 31-12-2011 04:55PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do we need a quality DM ?

Mr Alan wrote: »

On the DM, I think we're in a bit of a bind. Lucas is one of the best around. Not many players gonna be happy to be second fiddle to him when he's back. No point spending the mad money it would take to buy one of the few in the world who'd be an upgrade on him.

Spearing has impressed me between the end of last season & his appearances this. I think he could be a very good squad player for us where previously I never really thought that at all.

That's why the names mentioned by Jayob and I in relation to DM/CM are players that would be able to play alongside Lucas and who are players that are not just simply DMs, they are players who are as good at attacking and/or linking play as they are at playing the DM role.

Basically they are players who should be good enough to do what Lucas does for us for as long as Lucas is out, but also good enough to play in the same team alongside Lucas when he is back.

If that means that Adam, Henderson, Shelvey have to fight it out with Gerrard for the CAM slot then so be it, or if it means that all of them and the new guy had to raise their games to get the slot alongside Lucas then all the better for the team.

Spearing is no more than a squad player and a pretty average, if willing, one at that so I did not include him in the fight for the slot.

mormank · 31-12-2011 05:08PM

Just watching the highlights from last night again. I watched the match but forgot this point. Can anyone explaing to me how Cabaye doesn't even get a yellow for his stamp on Spearing while Spearing sees red for his tackle and clearance of the ball against Fulham a couple of weeks ago? Shocking stuff imo.

5starpool · 31-12-2011 05:09PM

mormank wrote: »

Just watching the highlights from last night again. I watched the match but forgot this point. Can anyone explaing to me how Cabaye doesn't even get a yellow for his stamp on Spearing while Spearing sees red for his tackle and clearance of the ball against Fulham a couple of weeks ago? Shocking stuff imo.

Obviously because the ref didn't see it properly I'd say.

Ferris_Bueller · 31-12-2011 05:11PM

In hindsight, what made Carroll (and most of our summer signings) an even more disappointing signing for me, was that there was talk of us going for real top quality players from all over the continent. Probably stupidity on my behalf to have thought/wished we were going to sign those players such as Hazard, Mata etc. But realistically can't see us signing a massive player like that in January either, no doubt players like Huntelaar, Podolski, Higuain would be brilliant signings for the club and I would love if we did sign them, but can't see it happening. Darren Bent or Luuk De Jong are my guesses for who we will sign next month, have never seen De Jong play so cannot comment on him, and am kind of on the fence regarding Bent. He is a proven goalscorer in the PL, a good quality finisher who knows how to find the net, but he offers very little else, isn't going to get any better, isn't in great form right now and will be very expensive.

Would probably rather we spent our money on someone else if I could choose, but as much as I would like to sign a player who will really strengthen our team and be a big name signing like Suarez, I can see it being someone a bit less known. Could make or break our season.

Dublin_Gunner · 31-12-2011 05:41PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Not one of the midfielders you named is good enough to add steel to the team or play in a DM role to a high level when we are under the cosh. Spearing is the only one that is a natural fit and he is simply not good enough. The other four are all better at the offensive side of things.

I agree we have a major problem with finishing, but a steadier more solid platform behind the offensive players only makes us stronger as a unit.

In an ideal world/window we would be trying to bring in quality for the CM position and a quality finisher.

I don't agree. Sure, we're not stellar in CM, but a finisher is of far greater importance.

We have absolutely no problem creating chances against every team we play, and we're certainly not bullied in midfield. To waste more money on another CM woud be completely stupid IMO.

We NEED a striker. We do not NEED a CM.

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