Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Mr Alan · 28-12-2011 07:18PM

The FA refused to bring charges against Beckham in the past as they felt he was only responding to the abuse he was receiving from the crowd. Funny how they feel so differently for this case.

Whether the player is 10 yards or 50 yards away from the crowd is totally irrelevant.

I'd agree with the ban if Suarez had sought out a TV camera & directed his gesture directly at it.

RasTa · 28-12-2011 07:21PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The FA refused to bring charges against Beckham in the past as they felt he was only responding to the abuse he was receiving from the crowd. Funny how they feel so differently for this case.

Whether the player is 10 yards or 50 yards away from the crowd is totally irrelevant.

I'd agree with the ban if Suarez had sought out a TV camera & directed his gesture directly at it.

link to article please and what if giddy cameraman stuck camera in his face after scoring

Mr Alan · 28-12-2011 07:25PM

Google it yourself ya lazy swine

Yes, even if the cameraman sought out Suarez, flipping the bird at the watching audience would have merited a ban.

Mr Magnolia · 28-12-2011 07:27PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The FA refused to bring charges against Beckham in the past as they felt he was only responding to the abuse he was receiving from the crowd.

Did they state this? Crazy carry on if that's the case.

RasTa · 28-12-2011 07:34PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Google it yourself ya lazy swine

Yes, even if the cameraman sought out Suarez, flipping the bird at the watching audience would have merited a ban.

What if it was in Spanish?! cursing that is. He should have being given an extra 3 game ban for the finger going on the Rooney ridic incident imo. You brought it up so I ain't arsed googling, I doubt it's true that's why I asked for said link.

willmunny1990 · 28-12-2011 07:36PM

1 game ban was just IMO. He shouldn't of done it. He admitted to the charge of improper conduct, these footballers are meant to be role models and doing things of this nature is wrong.

Knex* · 28-12-2011 07:38PM

That Sterling quote about being too young is from the summer I'm sure.

tommyhaas · 28-12-2011 07:40PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

1 game ban was just IMO. He shouldn't of done it. He admitted to the charge of improper conduct, these footballers are meant to be role models and doing things of this nature is wrong.

No they're not. There job is to play football, not act as role models to people. They've obviously got to abide by a club code of conduct, and act within the FA rules, but I completely disagree that they are meant to be role models

I'm not disputing the ban, just the role model point

Phoenix Park · 28-12-2011 07:40PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

1 game ban was just IMO. He shouldn't of done it. He admitted to the charge of improper conduct, these footballers are meant to be role models and doing things of this nature is wrong.

You'll be modding the Liverpool forum soon at this rate Willmunny1990 you spend so much time here. Thank God we've a certain Chelsea defender to look up to as a role model.

5starpool · 28-12-2011 07:40PM

Knex. wrote: »

That Sterling quote about being too young is from the summer I'm sure.

That's why the person posting the quote said it was from the summer.

RasTa · 28-12-2011 07:43PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

No they're not. There job is to play football, not act as role models to people. They've obviously got to abide by a club code of conduct, and act within the FA rules, but I completely disagree that they are meant to be role models

I'm not disputing the ban, just the role model point

True but in the eyes of he FA and the general public, they have to be. Another part is to not bring the game into disrepute. Flipping the bird at the fans generally crosses this line.

Jesus Wept · 28-12-2011 07:44PM

Knex. wrote: »

Can't argue much with that, had a feeling he'd get more tbh.

mormank wrote: »

I have zero problem with Suarez getting a one match ban for giving the finger as long as this becomes the norm for players. Once they inevitably don't it becomes unfair. I hope however I am proved wrong here and in fact will applaud the FA if it becomes the norm.

Why can't the FA just communicate? I've heard a number of times down the years and of late that by issuing bans and punishments that they are 'making a statement'.

How about they actually just make a ****ing statement, ya know, words n shit. Make a statement stating what the future punishments will be for certain actions and follow through on it, consistently.

Instead Suarez gets a one match ban for doing something he shouldn't but that many others have done without punishment and the best we can do is 'hope that they intend to be consistent from here on'.

What an utterly retarded but unsurprisingly useless way for them to carry on.

Knex* · 28-12-2011 07:46PM

5starpool wrote: »

That's why the person posting the quote said it was from the summer.

Touche. I got confused/had a brain fart when I saw him saying he was still 16.

Leiva · 28-12-2011 07:47PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Why can't the FA just communicate? I've heard a number of times down the years and of late that by issuing bans and punishments that they are 'making a statement'.

How about they actually just make a ****ing statement, ya know, words n shit. Make a statement stating what the future punishments will be for certain actions and follow through on it, consistently.

Instead Suarez gets a one match ban for doing something he shouldn't but that many others have done without punishment and the best we can do is 'hope that they intend to be consistent from here on'.

What an utterly retarded but unsurprisingly useless way for them to carry on.

Your post above will be still valid in years to come after many more incidents .

As long as the current FA setup exists the longer the circus will continue .

willmunny1990 · 28-12-2011 07:48PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

No they're not. There job is to play football, not act as role models to people. They've obviously got to abide by a club code of conduct, and act within the FA rules, but I completely disagree that they are meant to be role models

I'm not disputing the ban, just the role model point

Footballers are looked up to by adults and children throughout the world, they have a responsibility to act appropriately. Fact is they are role models to millions of people and should behave themselves appropriately. They are getting payed ludicrous amounts of money, they should be able to take a bit of abuse on the chin.

28-12-2011 07:50PM

Rooney - no ban.

Suarez does the same and gets 1 game ban

Knex* · 28-12-2011 07:52PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Why can't the FA just communicate? I've heard a number of times down the years and of late that by issuing bans and punishments that they are 'making a statement'.

How about they actually just make a ****ing statement, ya know, words n shit. Make a statement stating what the future punishments will be for certain actions and follow through on it, consistently.

Instead Suarez gets a one match ban for doing something he shouldn't but that many others have done without punishment and the best we can do is 'hope that they intend to be consistent from here on'.

What an utterly retarded but unsurprisingly useless way for them to carry on.

I agree. What I meant by my post was more that I can see why he got the ban and certainly they seem to have the bit between their teeth atm when it comes to clamping down on us. I had feared the worst and thought they'd give him a 3 match ban tbh.

That said, I think its a bit much to fine him 20,000 for doing something the majority of opposition fans do to him every time he's in their vicinity. You can't have it acceptable for fans to hurl that sort of abuse consistently at players and then expect them to do absolutely nothing in return, and if they do you straight away ban them extortionate amounts for their first offence.

FA should really have just given him a public warning over his conduct saying they do not condone this behavior and that future offences would lead to the sort of punishment he has received now.

Knex* · 28-12-2011 07:54PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Footballers are looked up to by adults and children throughout the world, they have a responsibility to act appropriately. Fact is they are role models to millions of people and should behave themselves appropriately. They are getting payed ludicrous amounts of money, they should be able to take a bit of abuse on the chin.

Anyone who looks upon a footballer as some sort of role model, whose actions outside of a footballing sense should be mirrored, is mental.

RasTa · 28-12-2011 07:56PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Rooney - no ban.

Suarez does the same and gets 1 game ban

Not really because that's at OT and from his position it's not to the away fans, probably giving out to Nani back in the day or more then likely to another player but it's deffo not in front of the away fans.

Find something better

Blatter · 28-12-2011 07:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The FA refused to bring charges against Beckham in the past as they felt he was only responding to the abuse he was receiving from the crowd. Funny how they feel so differently for this case.

Whether the player is 10 yards or 50 yards away from the crowd is totally irrelevant.

I'd agree with the ban if Suarez had sought out a TV camera & directed his gesture directly at it.

That was over 10 years ago in fairness, it's probably not best to go back that far when searching for inconsistencies within the FA as plenty of things have changed since then.

More recently, any player seen clearly and obviously gesturing towards opposition fans, has seemingly been banned and fined. For all the faults with the FA, they seem to becoming somewhat consistent with this these days, wasn't it Stephen Carr banned and fined last season for gesturing towards Wolves fans?

The likes of Rooney was let off because it was by no means clear he was gesturing towards opposition fans and Neville was gesturing towards Tevez iirc.

As RasTa says, it seems if you blatantly gesture to opposition fans, your going to get pulled on it these days, which is fair enough I guess as you have to draw the line somewhere.

Knex* · 28-12-2011 08:03PM

Do the players actually know these rules and the consequences for them? Is there ever an FA/Referee - players meeting where representatives from both sides go to be informed of these matters or are they dealt with on the spot at the time they occur?

I know for Would Cups the refs have meetings with FIFA where they are informed what they want clamped down upon at each tournament and this in turn is passed onto the teams.

Slightly different I know but still, if Liverpool and Suarez were indeed informed at beginning of season, or the club informed before, that incidents like this were susceptible to fine/ban then there can be no complaints and no need for a statement either.

Disclaimer: Just thinking aloud though so likely to be a load of horse****e

28-12-2011 08:05PM

RasTa wrote: »

Not really because that's at OT and from his position it's not to the away fans, probably giving out to Nani back in the day or more then likely to another player but it's deffo not in front of the away fans.

Find something better

Not sure if you're serious.

RasTa · 28-12-2011 08:08PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Not sure if you're serious.

A 2 year old would understand the difference, find me a picture of Rooney sticking up his fingers directly in front of the away fans, as much as you would like the pic posted isn't it.

Just in case you still don't understand what I meant by another player I mean this

FA will never and should they never hand out bans for that imo, 1 game is lenient tbf

Blatter · 28-12-2011 08:08PM

RasTa wrote: »

Not really because that's at OT and from his position it's not to the away fans, probably giving out to Nani back in the day or more then likely to another player but it's deffo not in front of the away fans.

Find something better

Rooney was blatantly fouled and got no free kick just prior to that and he claimed he was looking at the linesman and gestured ''open your eyes!''.

DOC09UNAM · 28-12-2011 08:10PM

Didn't neville get punished for kissing badge?

Leiva · 28-12-2011 08:11PM

Blatter wrote: »

That was over 10 years ago in fairness, it's probably not best to go back that far when searching for inconsistencies within the FA as plenty of things have changed since .

1.why not ?

2. Whats changed?

3.where's the communication from the FA on said changes if any?

4. Plenty of previous incidents why "draw the line" now ?

5. Do you really think that a new rule change with clearly defined penalties will be released by the FA after this banning/fine ?

RasTa · 28-12-2011 08:17PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Didn't neville get punished for kissing badge?

Nah just a fine and warning, he was pretty pissed off about it. T'was in his autobiography, he also hates the FA.

DOC09UNAM · 28-12-2011 08:18PM

RasTa wrote: »

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Didn't neville get punished for kissing badge?

Nah just a fine and warning, he was pretty pissed off about it. T'was in his autobiography, he also hates the FA.

Ahh, did fowler get punished for his five finger european salute to utd fans when he scored for city?

Iang87 · 28-12-2011 08:19PM

Fúckin FA

RasTa · 28-12-2011 08:20PM

mixednuts wrote: »

5. Do you really think that a new rule change with clearly defined penalties will be released by the FA after this banning/fine ?

Yup, it doesn't happen that often when players give the fans the finger.

I remember Carragher throwing a coin at the Arsenal fans after one hit him, rightly sent off but the FA took no further action. Random point but I could see a 10 game ban happening if anyone did it again.

The times they are a changing!

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