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just found out i driving a cat b write off

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  • #32
    Divorce Referendum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Divorce Referendum


    Limerick man wrote: »
    It wouldn't bother me either, but the case at hand is that how something that would be considered only for parts in the UK is actually registered, tax'd and nct'd over here?

    Well mickdw post on the certificate of perm. export is the most likely explanation here. As for the nct, well the car must be in fairly reasonable order to pass it although I do acknowledge the nct isnt the most exhaustive test in the world.


  • #33
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    thanks mikdw sounds like a option( engineer) where do i get one of them ?any idea of cost ? anyone think going to cops is good idea? or would they just impound car


  • #34
    Divorce Referendum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Divorce Referendum


    lady fifi wrote: »
    thanks mikdw sounds like a option( engineer) where do i get one of them ?any idea of cost ? anyone think going to cops is good idea? or would they just impound car

    Here is one website i found (not sure where you are based) http://www.assessireland.com/

    Should be about the bones of 200 to 350 euro. Think the aa do a check as well if check their website


  • #35
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Motorcheck says this....

    "Category B:
    The bodyshell should be crushed. The vehicle should never reappear on the road, but it can be broken for spare parts plus any residual scrap metal."

    I've no idea how such a car could get reregistered here, or pass an NCT.

    It all sounds very suspect tbh.

    OP I suggest you do now what you should have done before buying - get a proper data check done. Until you do that you shouldn't drive it either.


  • #36
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,321 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Limerick man wrote: »
    It wouldn't bother me either, but the case at hand is that how something that would be considered only for parts in the UK is actually registered, tax'd and nct'd over here?

    There's no legal categories of write off in this country, a car could be composed of 3 welded together cars and once it passes the NCT is fully road legal. Some of the insurance companies share information on write offs with each other and may refuse insurance based on this. We badly need a register for write offs in this country.


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  • #37
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    thanks just had look at that site , dont think i'll get to contact them tomorra :rolleyes:, im close to dublin so think i get in touch with them after christmas... i kno i should have done check before i bought but i didnt , but any more ideas anyone please put them out there... more options, more ideas .. something has to work out ..has to pay off.. how many more are on the roads without owners knowing ..?? being honest in the long run , better get ready santy on his way . happy xmas


  • #38
    Divorce Referendum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Divorce Referendum


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    There's no legal categories of write off in this country, a car could be composed of 3 welded together cars and once it passes the NCT is fully road legal. Some of the insurance companies share information on write offs with each other and may refuse insurance based on this. We badly need a register for write offs in this country.

    There is A and B. Although I agree with what you are saying it should really be recording C and D's now as well.

    From Motorcheck
    Motorcheck searches for any record of the vehicle being previously written off in Ireland or the UK, and reports this to you as part of our "full check" or "history check" reports (ie: Category A & B for Ireland and Category A, B, C, D & F for UK).


  • #39
    Divorce Referendum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Divorce Referendum


    lady fifi wrote: »
    thanks just had look at that site , dont think i'll get to contact them tomorra :rolleyes:, im close to dublin so think i get in touch with them after christmas... i kno i should have done check before i bought but i didnt , but any more ideas anyone please put them out there... more options, more ideas .. something has to work out ..has to pay off.. how many more are on the roads without owners knowing ..?? being honest in the long run , better get ready santy on his way . happy xmas

    Too many i bet. Alot of people wouldnt be aware of the checks. Well i hope things are sorted out for you. If the engineer says all is fine with the car then the cat b is most certainly wrong and i hope this is the case. Keep us posted.


  • #40
    lomb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭lomb


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Motorcheck says this....

    "Category B:
    The bodyshell should be crushed. The vehicle should never reappear on the road, but it can be broken for spare parts plus any residual scrap metal."

    I've no idea how such a car could get reregistered here, or pass an NCT.

    It all sounds very suspect tbh.

    OP I suggest you do now what you should have done before buying - get a proper data check done. Until you do that you shouldn't drive it either.

    I would be careful here and who you contact.. If the car has no signs of accident damage or flood damage then it is probably stolen and ringed with the CAT B registered car. In this case the ownership of the vehicle is with the owner of the stolen car ie not you!


  • #41
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Thats a good point and quite a strong possibility in this case.
    First thing is to get your own motorcheck report,
    Second would be to have a good look over it cross checking numbers etc and looking any signs of ringing or crash repair damage.


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  • #42
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Bigus


    lomb wrote: »
    I would be careful here and who you contact.. If the car has no signs of accident damage or flood damage then it is probably stolen and ringed with the CAT B registered car. In this case the ownership of the vehicle is with the owner of the stolen car ie not you!


    Sounds like a ringer all right


  • #43
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Cat B is where the vehicle is no longer safe to put back on the road and must be
    broken or crushed. These can only be sold to registered dismantlers with an EPA
    waste licence. They are actually sold as parts and are no longer considered as a
    vehicle. There is no economic consideration involved, purely a safety one.
    Vehicles that have been flooded are normally written off as a cat B.


    If chassis/panels are straight and second hand engines can be bought cheap, its very possible that's its in great shape.

    Get an engineers report to check its true colours


  • #44
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Limerick man wrote: »
    In that case, someone could rob a car, pretend it was a UK import, create a fake v5 and registered it as a car?

    Baffling.

    It happens believe it or not but only if the person never went out to check the chassis code and engine code/number, and when I say these numbers I mean in the places the manufacture says to check, IE not just under the hood. But the windows and by getting the ECU too give you the engine number and chassis number that the car should be with. Although granted not alot of people know that the ECU will throw up the real cars chassis number! But it dose ..

    After reading a few posts you posted, best bet is too get the ECU too throw up the real engine number/chassis number and go from there.

    It sounds like a cloned stolen car to be honest.

    A cat b is a serious write off, as in a very seriously damaged car. EG a fire bridge attended call to get the roof of would be a cat B .


  • #45
    Senna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Seemingly its getting a lot more common in the UK, the dvla are reissuing V5's if the car has an engineering report from the VIC (Gov body). The salvage categories are only guidelines. There is no law in the UK against repairing and re-registering a category 'b' write-off, subject to a VIC test. AFAIK, the insurance company can only sell a CAT A/B to a registered salvage yard and that salvage yard aren't allow to sell on the car, but there are probably ways and means around that.

    If you google CAT B, you will see alot of people who have had cars written off as CAT B think the car is repairable. So a CAT B isn't necessary a mangled wreck.

    If i was the OP, after getting chassis codes confirmed, i would get the car to any mechanic asap, have it put on a lift and give it a visual inspection, just to make sure it isn't a danger on the road (it shouldn't be, seen it went through a NCT), just for piece of mind until a proper engineer report can be got.


  • #46
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i assume if you claimed the V5C was lost when the car was written off and then brought the car to Ireland, it would be re-registered on the strength of that logbook without any checks in the UK and have a clean bill of health.


  • #47
    GTDolanator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭GTDolanator


    lady fifi wrote: »
    car was brought into ireland ,re reg it has irish plates , have rang few places to see about trade in and have been told same story from all garages cat b write off from england full insurance pay out on car there fore it not even insuranced although i pay insurance ,dont kno how it got here or re reg , seems it a reg thing from people i spoke to but normally with a c or d cat , they can't understand how it happened !!!:mad:


    your grammer is shocking,are you blonde?


  • #48
    johnos1984
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    I've dark brown hair and crap grammar so what's your point?


  • #49
    Mar4ix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    (ecu possible change from old to stolen and recode), first signs to find of ringed car would if youll ask vw give you win number translation. (or somebody who have descent vw dealer software, where type win number, and software give full info about car), win number states about car - year, colour, engine (there is a lot same size but different engine codes), gearbox(same - lot types), what seats, how many doors , have sunroof or not.
    Also you can find in interenet , where you can check your car ... like here


  • #50
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    GTDolanator wrote: »
    your grammer is shocking,are you blonde?

    Its Christmas, be happy.


  • #51
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    GTDolanator wrote: »
    your grammer is shocking,are you blonde?

    Jesus at least correct your own grammar and spelling before pointing fingers.


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  • #52
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    johnos1984 wrote: »
    I've dark brown hair and crap grammar so what's your point?

    I've none and my grammar is fine. Get shaving boys!


  • #53
    Motorcheck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Motorcheck


    I'd be pleased to help out with a VIN check on this one. Feel free to PM me the reg and I'll pull up its history for you.


  • #54
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Motorcheck wrote: »
    I'd be pleased to help out with a VIN check on this one. Feel free to PM me the reg and I'll pull up its history for you.

    Hope the open keeps us updated on this. Very interested to see the outcome


  • #55
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    remove it from road and do what with it , there a large amount of money gone into this car at my cost ... it not that simple someone has to be responsible for this .. or am i supposed to go and sell on to some other poor fool who is trusting ...


  • #56
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    (ecu possible change from old to stolen and recode), first signs to find of ringed car would if youll ask vw give you win number translation. (or somebody who have descent vw dealer software, where type win number, and software give full info about car), win number states about car - year, colour, engine (there is a lot same size but different engine codes), gearbox(same - lot types), what seats, how many doors , have sunroof or not.
    Also you can find in interenet , where you can check your car ... like here


    thanks will check it , it in garage at mo took it of the road ..untill i get this sorted .


  • #57
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    lady fifi wrote: »
    remove it from road and do what with it , there a large amount of money gone into this car at my cost ... it not that simple someone has to be responsible for this .. or am i supposed to go and sell on to some other poor fool who is trusting ...

    If for some reason the car isn't roadworthy then you really shouldn't be driving it. Have a competent mechanic check it out, if all looks ok then go searching the history.

    We recently had what looked like a really mint car in with us, this car was immaculate inside and out but there was a huge hole in the front wheelarch where the shock is bolted to the car. The car was a deathtrap


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lady fifi wrote: »
    remove it from road and do what with it , there a large amount of money gone into this car at my cost ... it not that simple someone has to be responsible for this .. or am i supposed to go and sell on to some other poor fool who is trusting ...

    No you are not supposed to sell on to some poor fool.


  • #59
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    this car is perfect hav had mechanic look at it , they cant find any thing wrong with it and have asked a few guys that work in crash repairs to look for alignment it perfect , it has had a lot of work done to it but all under bonnet ..brain went i got it fixed then engine .. got it done , but could those things have made it a cat b ? still cant understand how it pass a nct if it an illegal car ?


  • #60
    lady fifi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭lady fifi


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    (ecu possible change from old to stolen and recode), first signs to find of ringed car would if youll ask vw give you win number translation. (or somebody who have descent vw dealer software, where type win number, and software give full info about car), win number states about car - year, colour, engine (there is a lot same size but different engine codes), gearbox(same - lot types), what seats, how many doors , have sunroof or not.
    Also you can find in interenet , where you can check your car ... like here
    RoverJames wrote: »
    No you are not supposed to sell on to some poor fool.

    i wouldnt!! bad karma........ no thanks ..but somone has to be answerable to it ??


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  • #61
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    lady fifi wrote: »
    i wouldnt!! bad karma........ no thanks ..but somone has to be answerable to it ??

    The problem is that no matter what happens you'll more than likely to loose the car.

    Going to the Gardaí and telling them you think it's a ringer will mean that the car is returned to the original owner, or insurance company if they paid out.

    If it's not a ringer then it's a danger on the road and if you don't inform your insurance company you are wasting your money paying for insurance as if you make a claim they'll reject your part.

    It's an expensive lesson to learn, sorry.


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