Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-12-2011 02:47PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

I'd have Torres back in a heartbeat, for 20 million provided he took a cut in wages.

Torres still has the talent the only worry is whether he has the heart for it. He is really at his best when he feels loved and when he loves his surroundings.

AVB sees him everyday and you have got to think he reckons Torres isn't putting in the work, hence he just doesn't trust him.

I just wonder would Kenny be able to light the fire underneath him and get him firing again.

All the rubbish about him being shot due to injuries is just that, rubbish. He still has all the physical tools, his head is just not right. The lying down after tackles, the whinging and moaning, the petulance.

When Torres first arrived he was bustling central defenders out of it, getting knocked over and bouncing straight back up. He needs to find that mindset again.

For 20million (and decent wages) i'd take a chance. If the chance presents itself and Kenny is confident his head is right again i reckon we should swallow our pride and let the lad come home.

20 mill though is an expensive punt...

Turtyturd · 17-12-2011 02:51PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

20 mill though is an expensive punt...

So is Torres minus 15million...no wait...how does that work in this situation?:pac:

Hangballlouie · 17-12-2011 02:56PM

How is Morgan coming along lads? Is he close to the first team yet? What's his chances of breaking through in the next 12-18 months?

Jayob10 · 17-12-2011 02:56PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

20 mill though is an expensive punt...

Maybe do the same as we did with signing Glen Johnson (write off the money owed on Crouch)

They may owe us money for Meireles.

20million is 20million at the end of the day, I just feel that if the wages are suitable that we should take a punt. Provided management were confident his head was right.

I just wouldn't employ the attitude "he made his bed, let him sleep in it".

A loan deal would be ideal, but its not going to happen. The way I look at it, he improves our First XI immediately.

Jayob10 · 17-12-2011 02:57PM

hangballlouie wrote: »

How is Morgan coming along lads? Is he close to the first team yet? What's his chances of breaking through in the next 12-18 months?

Morgan is still most comfortable at youth level, played some games at reserve level but not nearly as big an impact was made.

Not a criticism but he will need time.

murpho999 · 17-12-2011 03:12PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

I'd have Torres back in a heartbeat, for 20 million provided he took a cut in wages.

Torres still has the talent the only worry is whether he has the heart for it. He is really at his best when he feels loved and when he loves his surroundings.

AVB sees him everyday and you have got to think he reckons Torres isn't putting in the work, hence he just doesn't trust him.

I just wonder would Kenny be able to light the fire underneath him and get him firing again.

All the rubbish about him being shot due to injuries is just that, rubbish. He still has all the physical tools, his head is just not right. The lying down after tackles, the whinging and moaning, the petulance.

When Torres first arrived he was bustling central defenders out of it, getting knocked over and bouncing straight back up. He needs to find that mindset again.

For 20million (and decent wages) i'd take a chance. If the chance presents itself and Kenny is confident his head is right again i reckon we should swallow our pride and let the lad come home.

How do you know this? I think you're letting your heart rule your head.

Torres was loved at Anfield and was awful in his last season the left us in the lurch and fecked off to Chelski. I think he is the past, and we should spend £20m elsewhere.

YouTookMyName · 17-12-2011 03:28PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How do you know this? I think you're letting your heart rule your head.

Torres was loved at Anfield and was awful in his last season the left us in the lurch and fecked off to Chelski. I think he is the past, and we should spend £20m elsewhere.

He was awful because we were shit. Kenny got him scoring in January.

djPSB · 17-12-2011 05:49PM

Drenthe wouldn't be a bad signing for us.

Contract runs out in the summer.

tommyhaas · 17-12-2011 05:50PM

djPSB wrote: »

Drenthe wouldn't be a bad signing for us.

Contract runs out in the summer.

He'd be a brilliant signing, though I think its unlikely given he's at Everton at the moment

jenno86 · 17-12-2011 06:01PM

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Jayob10 · 17-12-2011 06:03PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

He'd be a brilliant signing, though I think its unlikely given he's at Everton at the moment

Drenthe needs to play every week though, otherwise he is trouble. He is good but not a potential first teamer week in week out.

Quite sick of us signing players who are seen as good "options" depending on the game. Liverpool need to sign quality that will strengthen the first XI whatever the opposition. The players we have in the first XI who may not be top level players can be the ones to act as squad players.

No point having 2 decent left wingers, lets just go out and buy an undisputed excellent one and let the existing left winger provide the competition. Hypothetically speaking.

Thats how you move forward. Improve significantly on what you have got.

tommyhaas · 17-12-2011 06:07PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Drenthe needs to play every week though, otherwise he is trouble. He is good but not a potential first teamer week in week out.

Quite sick of us signing players who are seen as good "options" depending on the game. Liverpool need to sign quality that will strengthen the first XI whatever the opposition. The players we have in the first XI who may not be top level players can be the ones to act as squad players.

No point having 2 decent left wingers, lets just go out and buy an undisputed excellent one and let the existing left winger provide the competition. Hypothetically speaking.

Thats how you move forward. Improve significantly on what you have got.

I agree, but I do think Drenthe would be good enough for the level being aspired towards, particularly as signing him on a free would leave funds to sort out other areas. Irrelevant though, he won't leave Everton for Liverpool

jesus_thats_gre · 17-12-2011 06:13PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How do you know this? I think you're letting your heart rule your head.

Torres was loved at Anfield and was awful in his last season the left us in the lurch and fecked off to Chelski. I think he is the past, and we should spend £20m elsewhere.

This notion that he was awful is absolutely absurd - it is absolute horse**** actually.

He scored 9 PL goals in 22 starts for us the season he left and 18 goals in 20 starts the season before.

Granted, he wasn't the same player as he was in his first two seasons at the club but he was far from bad. Put him in front of goal with the ball and more often than not, he put it in the net.

Kess73 · 17-12-2011 06:26PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Drenthe needs to play every week though, otherwise he is trouble. He is good but not a potential first teamer week in week out.

Quite sick of us signing players who are seen as good "options" depending on the game. Liverpool need to sign quality that will strengthen the first XI whatever the opposition. The players we have in the first XI who may not be top level players can be the ones to act as squad players.

No point having 2 decent left wingers, lets just go out and buy an undisputed excellent one and let the existing left winger provide the competition. Hypothetically speaking.

Thats how you move forward. Improve significantly on what you have got.

Spot on. That seemingly obvious take on things is something that has been lost on many of our managers for the last 13 or so years.

th3 s1aught3r · 17-12-2011 06:32PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How do you know this? I think you're letting your heart rule your head.

Torres was loved at Anfield and was awful in his last season the left us in the lurch and fecked off to Chelski. I think he is the past, and we should spend £20m elsewhere.

Thats right. The excuse used for him being below par for the last season with us was that he was not happy at Anfield at that stage. He got his big move to Chelsea yet he hasnt made it. He looks disinterested half the time there too, even when he does get to play
Personally I thonk he might go to Barca at the end of this season. Cant see him wanting to come back to us at any rate

mike65 · 17-12-2011 06:34PM

Kennys 350th game in charge of Liverpool tomorrow.

djPSB · 17-12-2011 06:44PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Drenthe needs to play every week though, otherwise he is trouble. He is good but not a potential first teamer week in week out.

Quite sick of us signing players who are seen as good "options" depending on the game. Liverpool need to sign quality that will strengthen the first XI whatever the opposition. The players we have in the first XI who may not be top level players can be the ones to act as squad players.

No point having 2 decent left wingers, lets just go out and buy an undisputed excellent one and let the existing left winger provide the competition. Hypothetically speaking.

Thats how you move forward. Improve significantly on what you have got.

Yes we need to spend big to bring in proper wingers.

It'd be no harm having him there as a squad player though.

missingtime · 17-12-2011 07:02PM

Kenny, Compile and Steve Clarke are at the Wigan - Chelsea game.

Leiva · 17-12-2011 07:23PM

missingtime wrote: »

Kenny, Compile and Steve Clarke are at the Wigan - Chelsea game.

McCarthy ?

Jayob10 · 17-12-2011 07:37PM

mixednuts wrote: »

McCarthy ?

I think we are playing Wigan next so maybe we are just having a look, although with DC in tow, I wonder if we are having a sneaky look at McCarthy

Have to say though, never been at all impressed with McCarthy when I have seen him.

Didier Drogba maybe??? seemingly available at the end of the season isn't he?

Dont be at yourself · 17-12-2011 07:47PM

mixednuts wrote: »

McCarthy ?

Victor Moses, maybe?

Leiva · 17-12-2011 07:54PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Victor Moses, maybe?

Torres

daithijjj · 17-12-2011 08:39PM

We play Wigan in 4 days lads, helloooooooooooooo?

Rodalega's contract is up in the summer i think, decent catch on free?, i dunno would he be happy with squad rotation though.

manual_man · 17-12-2011 08:42PM

Wigan played very well today. Hopefully they used up all their beans and are wrecked by Wednesday :-/

manual_man · 17-12-2011 08:42PM

daithijjj wrote: »

We play Wigan in 4 days lads, helloooooooooooooo?

Rodalega's contract is up in the summer i think, decent catch on free?, i dunno would he be happy with squad rotation though.

hi

Jayob10 · 17-12-2011 08:46PM

daithijjj wrote: »

We play Wigan in 4 days lads, helloooooooooooooo?

Rodalega's contract is up in the summer i think, decent catch on free?, i dunno would he be happy with squad rotation though.

He is decent but I just don't think he improves us enough to the level we want. If we are going to sign a striker i'd hope it would be someone who can take us to the next level.

The likes of Rodellega signing is only going to clog up the squad. More first teamers please.

A Gary Mac style bosman transfer would not be bad though.

Didier Drogba anyone?

tommyhaas · 17-12-2011 08:51PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

A Gary Mac style bosman transfer would not be bad though.

Didier Drogba anyone?

Didn't he already say he wanted to go wherever they offer the most money?

Tusky · 17-12-2011 08:55PM

Great opportunity to close the gap on Chelsea to 3 points tomorrow.

Bowlardo · 17-12-2011 09:04PM

Tusky wrote: »

Great opportunity to close the gap on Chelsea to 3 points tomorrow.

Don't worry we'll piss on the chips...we always piss on the chips!

K-9 · 17-12-2011 09:27PM

Suarez, Bellamy and Maxi as the front 3 tomorrow?

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