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Scotrail No Ticket, **** on a Train

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  • #32
    Latchy
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    Agent Smith wrote: »
    Whats the story with people Recording Public Transport all of a sudden?
    Some train spotters like to get on board and include people in their photos .


  • #33
    Dotrel
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    I did pretty much the exact thing to a fella on the bus once who was acting the maggot and wouldn't get off when the driver stopped the bus and told him to get off.

    Unfortunately, I didn't get a big cheer or a pat on the back from anyone. I'm moving to Scotland where I'll be appreciated! :mad:


  • #34
    k.p.h
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    Was wondering what people would say TBH, I don't think "the big man" should have touched him to be honest and probably should have waited for the police. Who the **** is anyone to see anyone and make a judgment call that involves picking someone up and pelting them off a train.

    For the record I think they are both pricks,but plenty of situations where the big man just physically assaulted someone with genuine issues.


  • #35
    amacca
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    Sky King wrote: »
    **** on a Train - didn't Hitchcock direct that?

    No Alfred Throbcock directed that one...

    whole different kettle of dildos! :pac:


  • #36
    Ouijaboard
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    While I commend the big guy for taking care of the problem, it would've been interesting to see (purely from a behavioural perspective) his response if there was 5 or 6 yobs involved and they were hounding and harassing passengers as can happen on public transport.

    He may well have had one of 'those' days and decided enough is enough but I can't help feeling that the 'big guy' dealt with this yob merely because this was an 'easy' one to resolve and at the same time he also had an opportunity to show a bit of bravado and stamp his authority over the situation.
    It was a single teenage fare dodger, skobe definitely, but hardly someone threatening to rob woman with a knife or harassing old folk, in which case 'big guy' may have sat and kept stum like the vast majority of the public usually do.

    If the general public were a bit more pro-active in dealing with more serious asb rather than an opportunistic fare dodger then there might have been less burning and looting during the summer in London.

    It's interesting, but these isolated single skanger incidents are usually resolved easily enough as in the manner above but when the numbers increase and there is a group of them (usual case!), the 'big guys' will often just blend into the background in a similar manner to everyone else. Would it be so difficult when a 'gang' are in 'action' for 4 or 5 blokes to give a nod to each other and step up and dissolve a situation? It never happens in these circumstances though.
    Just an observation.


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  • #37
    Dotrel
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    amacca wrote: »
    No Alfred Throbcock directed that one...

    whole different kettle of dildos! :pac:

    Great director. Rear Entry and Dial F for Fister are American classics.


  • #38
    Potential-Monke
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    I don't know about Glasgow, but here if the big guy done that he could be arrested for Assault. I'm all with the big guy for doing what he done, i'd be pissed too if i was being delayed because some tw@ didn't want to pay the full fare. But there's nothing stopping that youth bringing the youtube video to the cops and making a complaint of assault.

    But i think that is also the way that this country has gone. Years ago no-one would have batted an eyelid at the big guy doing that, and more probably would have helped. Nowadays people are too afraid to do anything because they could either get arrested or get assaulted themselves.


  • #39
    amacca
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    Dotrel wrote: »
    Great director. Rear Entry and Dial F for Fister are American classics.

    Dont forget the thirty nine whores , the lady gobbles

    not to mention

    the man who blew too much     and shadow of a cock


  • #40
    Maximiliano Low Hawk
    Posts: 0 ✭ Maximiliano Low Hawk


    Fear Uladh wrote: »
    A conductor with an attitude?! FFS, it is his job to check tickets to make sure everyone has paid the right fare.

    Some little knob has no right disturbing everyone elses journey.

    I have no idea what happened here, but the teenager is claiming he bought 2 singles instead of a return (it's cheaper) and that they accidentally gave him two tickets for the same journey. The same thing happened to me before. The trains in the UK are a complete shambles and the tickets are often really confusing. I've never taken a train where there hasn't been some sort of dispute or argument with the ticket collector and more often than not, the ticket collector acts like a condescending, power-mad knobend. I've managed to somehow sit in the wrong carriage/buy the wrong ticket the last 2 times I travelled by train, despite not having any problems in any other country, including ones where I couldn't understand a word of the language. I'm just saying that respect goes both ways. If someone starts talking to me like a naughty schoolchild and not listening to what I'm trying to tell them and demanding loudly that I pay them more money, I'm f**ked if I'm being polite back, whether they're just doing their job or not.

    Now, this guy is clearly drunk and being a bit of a d*ck. I still think the guy who threw him off is more of a wanker and frankly, I think he's a bully. I also doubt that he would have been such a hard man if he'd been faced with your typical chavvy louts who actually intimidate people and wreck the train. This teenager (who is weedy and diabetic) was an easy target.


  • #41
    Madam
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    Never had a problem with Scotrail! Easier to buy train ticket in Scotland than it is in England(too many different company's overlapping)! This guy was going from Glasgow to Perth(no stops)and as a student he'd have had a student away day return availabe to him. Oh and btw his 'single' tickets were both for the same journey(Perth to Glasgow) and on different dates!

    Saying that I'm not so sure the 'big man'(City banker btw) should have manhandled him the way he did though but then he was probably desperate to get home to his penthouse in the lovely town of Perth:rolleyes:


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  • #42
    Batsy
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    I think the guy DID buy a ticket.

    The lad who was thrown off the train was interviewed on Sky today. He is adamant that he DID buy the two relevant tickets - there and back - but that the ticket machine printed both exactly the same. He threw his first ticket away but then, on the way back, realised his return ticket was exactly the same as the other ticket. He said he tried to explain this to the ticket inspector but he couldn't get a word in edgeways.


  • #43
    Batsy
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    Madam wrote: »
    Big man (City banker btw)

    Oh, well he would be of course. He must be positively evil. He probably microwaves kittens, too.


  • #44
    Latchy
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    Maximiliano Low Hawk wrote: »
    Now, this guy is clearly drunk and being a bit of a d*ck. I still think the guy who threw him off is more of a wanker and frankly, I think he's a bully. I also doubt that he would have been such a hard man if he'd been faced with your typical chavvy louts who actually intimidate people and wreck the train. This teenager (who is weedy and diabetic) was an easy target.
    I think this guy was acting the bully to and no doubt would have thought twice if it was a few real heavy louts to confront .People have died on their own doorsteps to just for telling/asking anti-social people to move on .
    Batsy wrote: »
    I think the guy DID buy a ticket.

    The lad who was thrown off the train was interviewed on Sky today. He is adamant that he DID buy the two relevant tickets - there and back - but that the ticket machine printed both exactly the same. He threw his first ticket away but then, on the way back, realised his return ticket was exactly the same as the other ticket. He said he tried to explain this to the ticket inspector but he couldn't get a word in edgeways.
    If true then it shows that video camera footage can sometimes only show us what we think might be happe ning and not necessarily the whole bigger picture of the event .


  • #45
    foxyboxer
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    That "**** on a Train" video lacks a decent script, any real build up in tension & the plot line is dreary.

    It isn't a patch on "Snakes on a Plane".

    Thought it was the Neil Prendeville sequel myself.


  • #46
    Shiner11
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    He was right to throw him off. He was delaying the train and everyone elses day. He hadn't the correct ticket and the train wouldn't move until he was gone or paid the correct fair.


  • #47
    Latchy
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    He wasn't actually waving a knife at anybody but if it was anybody job to throw him off it was scotrail guard or simply wait till the police arrived to take over matters .If joe public is to get involved in such disputes then it has to go right across the board everywhere but he/she risk causing serious harm to the person and then he/she is up on assault .


  • #48
    Jimoslimos
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    Batsy wrote: »
    I think the guy DID buy a ticket.

    The lad who was thrown off the train was interviewed on Sky today. He is adamant that he DID buy the two relevant tickets - there and back - but that the ticket machine printed both exactly the same. He threw his first ticket away but then, on the way back, realised his return ticket was exactly the same as the other ticket. He said he tried to explain this to the ticket inspector but he couldn't get a word in edgeways.
    Still his responsibility then, if he didn't check his tickets when he bought them he should buy another one.


  • #49
    foxyboxer
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    amacca wrote: »
    Dont forget the thirty nine whores , the lady gobbles

    not to mention

    the man who blew too much     and shadow of a cock

    Don't forget Vertigoo.


  • #50
    Ellis Dee
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    I applaud that "big fellow". He only intervened after the little scrote had been giving the ticket collector - a man not far short of retirement age by the looks of him - a lot of grief for some time. Just a pity the train was stopped.;);)

    The growing number of people with recording devices in public transport is a welcome trend. An increased likelihood that their actions and stupidities will be recorded and either posted on social media or made available to the authorities is likely to have a deterrent effect - to some degree at least - on racists and other scumbags, and perhaps reduce the amount of crap decent members of the travelling public have to put up with. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #51
    prinz
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    I say fair play to your man, doesn't matter if the young lad had a single ticket for the wrong direction, I've had that on Bus Éireann a few times with a return ticket (where the wrong direction was punched on the outward journey for example/and where I bought a return but tried to use it going the opposite way) Guess what? Driver says no, I got off no questions asked or bought a new ticket.

    It's about time more people got involved in these situations rather than looking the other way, minding their own business etc. That's exactly how the more serious little scumbags get their courage to do what they do.

    And yes I have gotten involved in more serious situations on Dublin bus, with a number of little scummers in a group, and on the whole bus only one single person came to my aid, a Polish man. Everybody else looked out the windows and pretended not to notice.


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  • #52
    prinz
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    Latchy wrote: »
    ...if it was anybody job to throw him off it was scotrail guard or simply wait till the police arrived to take over matters... .

    As a matter of interest on this, my old man travels by rail regularly to get chemotherapy sessions and sometimes blood transfusions by appointment.

    Do you think he should be left sitting on a stopped train because some chancer doesn't buy a ticket or starts causing trouble?


  • #53
    Latchy
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    Ellis Dee wrote: »

    The growing number of people with recording devices in public transport is a welcome trend. An increased likelihood that their actions and stupidities will be recorded and either posted on social media or made available to the authorities is likely to have a deterrent effect - to some degree at least - on racists and other scumbags, and perhaps reduce the amount of crap decent members of the travelling public have to put up with. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Like that guy who did a runner from the taxi out in Monkestown yesterday .The guards are looking for him to and as you mention recording devices ,the taxi driver had his camera on the dash and there is a you tube video doing the rounds of the incident .


  • #54
    Latchy
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    prinz wrote: »
    As a matter of interest on this, my old man travels by rail regularly to get chemotherapy sessions and sometimes blood transfusions by appointment.

    Do you think he should be left sitting on a stopped train because some chancer doesn't buy a ticket or starts causing trouble?
    My point is I have seen a bus driver stopping a bus because of anti-social behaviour and asking everybody to get off until police arrive ....not easy on a train I know . Of course in your fathers case , that would be brought to the attention of the bus driver/ guard and overide everything else so in which case, the guy would have to be ejected who as mentioned by other poster , may/may not be a chancer but have a genuine protest .Not always is everything black and white


  • #55
    Biggins
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    Drunk or sober, if I spoke to an elderly man like that as well as just being a smart-arse, I would expect to be removed from the train – never mind about additional ticket problems.
    Staff and workers ANYWHERE deserve to be able to go their days work without the possibility of being abused like that scruff did to that elderly gentleman.

    If he was my son, I would be ashamed of him and would be apologetic unreservedly to the ticket collector to say the least for my sons behaviour.

    He’s a disgusting little thug that for once was caught out! I’ve NO sympathy for him whatsoever.
    You reap what you sow!


  • #56
    HellFireClub
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    Your man who intervened looks like your average bouncer pr*ck on a powertrip. Hope he gets charged and convicted, whatever about in a private venue that he might be paid to do security work for, what happens on a tube or in any public place or public transport facility is absolutely none of his f*cking business, especially where there is only a discussion going on about a fare, he had no business whatsoever getting involved, arsehóle pr*ck.


  • #57
    Biggins
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Your man who intervened looks like your average bouncer pr*ck on a powertrip. Hope he gets charged and convicted, whatever about in a private venue that he might be paid to do security work for...

    The ‘train vigilante’ has been named as Alan Pollock, a financial manager at one of the world’s biggest asset firms.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/8955571/Train-vigilante-is-investment-manager.html

    Talk about rushing to judge a book by its cover!
    See how you can be far wrong!


  • #58
    prinz
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    Latchy wrote: »
    My point is I have seen a bus driver stopping a bus because of anti-social behaviour and asking everybody to get off until police arrive . Of course in your fathers case , that would be brought to the attention of the bus driver/ guard and overide everything else so in which the guy would have to be ejected who as mentioned by other poster , may/may not be a chancer but have a genuine protest .Not always is everything black and white

    I've been on a bus where the same occurred. We were just lucky a squad car happened to be passing by the the driver flagged it down.

    I just don't get the logic behind 20, or 50 other people being delayed and inconvenienced (God knows how badly) because they are all expected to sit there mutely looking at their toes while someone holds up the train for whatever reason. Although having said that after my other experience I've long been in favour of a transport police type unit of the gardaí to use the trains/buses/luas on a regular basis.


  • #59
    HellFireClub
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Drunk or sober, if I spoke to an elderly man like that as well as just being a smart-arse, I would expect to be removed from the train – never mind about additional ticket problems.
    Staff and workers ANYWHERE deserve to be able to go their days work without the possibility of being abused like that scruff did to that elderly gentleman.

    If he was my son, I would be ashamed of him and would be apologetic unreservedly to the ticket collector to say the least for my sons behaviour.

    He’s a disgusting little thug that for once was caught out! I’ve NO sympathy for him whatsoever.
    You reap what you sow!

    There is this little thing called "due process", if the inspector wanted to deal with an instance of non payment of a fare, there is a procedure there for dealing with that, that as far as I'm aware, is based on taking a name and address and escalating the matter. If someone is not co-operating, there is also a process to be followed to deal with that, in Ireland, we have a security presence that deals with this, and there is CCTV, etc, which can be used to pursue someone who isn't cooperating.

    But are we going to say now it's fine for some ignorant looking pr*ck now who fancies himself as a bit of a hardman, to be judge, jury and executioner, in relation to any issue that might arise on public transport???


  • #60
    prinz
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    ... that as far as I'm aware, is based on taking a name and address

    What's your name? Mickey Mouse. Where do you live? Number 10 Downing Street............. In a country with no national I.D. cards it's absolutely meaningless for a ticket inspector to get a name and address tbh.


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  • #61
    Biggins
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    There is this little thing called "due process", if the inspector wanted to deal with an instance of non payment of a fare, there is a procedure there for dealing with that, that as far as I'm aware, is based on taking a name and address and escalating the matter. If someone is not co-operating, there is also a process to be followed to deal with that, in Ireland, we have a security presence that deals with this, and there is CCTV, etc, which can be used to pursue someone who isn't cooperating.

    But are we going to say now it's fine for some ignorant looking pr*ck now who fancies himself as a bit of a hardman, to be judge, jury and executioner, in relation to any issue that might arise on public transport???

    As stated by others already, the "Big man" like the rest, just wanted to get home.
    The process you are on about would have involved the calling of the police (and we know sometimes how long they can take to get somewhere) and sitting around for a long time for them to arrive.
    Would you have sat in your train seat for hours if you had to be home to do something, meet someone, get to an interview or mind kids, etc?

    You would in your arse. Why do you expect others to just take the young gurriers crap!
    Your in the minority in this topic. The many support the stance of the elderly train worker and the actions of the "Big Man" - they all had homes/places to go to too!


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