Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Morzadec · 14-12-2011 11:35AM

Torres's wages would be massive that needs to be taken into account as well.

Look at the fee and wages objectively (£20m looks amazing when he was only sold for £50m last year) and it is a huge risk for a player who looks past it. I know he's only 27, but what did Michael Owen, for example, from aged 27 onwards? Was he a £20m player?

You can all talk about his heart not being in it at Chelsea and a lack of confidence and maybe that's true and a reason he's not firing.

But what cannot be denied is that he has lost a yard of pace. He does not have that flash of acceleration that was a MASSIVE part of his game. Michael Owen lost it too. He still remained a top finisher and a very useful player.

But a £20m player deserving of huge huge wages? I don't think so.

I don't know I'd be excited to have him back but if we spent £20m + c.£150,000 a week contract over 4 years we would be looking at nearly £50m for a player who imo is unarguably on the wane and very injury prone.

Surely this money could be better spent elsewhere?

Lord Trollington · 14-12-2011 11:40AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Surely this money could be better spent elsewhere?

Recently i'm hearing rumours of a bid for Darren Bent in the New Year.

Is that is the level of our ambition at the moment?

I would take Torres back in a heartbeat. Torres or Darren Bent? No Contest.

14-12-2011 11:43AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Torres's wages would be massive that needs to be taken into account as well.

Look at the fee and wages objectively (£20m looks amazing when he was only sold for £50m last year) and it is a huge risk for a player who looks past it. I know he's only 27, but what did Michael Owen, for example, from aged 27 onwards? Was he a £20m player?

You can all talk about his heart not being in it at Chelsea and a lack of confidence and maybe that's true and a reason he's not firing.

But what cannot be denied is that he has lost a yard of pace. He does not have that flash of acceleration that was a MASSIVE part of his game. Michael Owen lost it too. He still remained a top finisher and a very useful player.

But a £20m player deserving of huge huge wages? I don't think so.

I don't know I'd be excited to have him back but if we spent £20m + c.£150,000 a week contract over 4 years we would be looking at nearly £50m for a player who imo is unarguably on the wane and very injury prone.

Surely this money could be better spent elsewhere?

I think the injury prone point is a massive one too tbh.

I am pie · 14-12-2011 11:44AM

Heart says yes, head says no. Outside of Suarez we're badly short of striking options. If we don't resolve our goalscoring issues we will be fighting with Newcastle for a UEFA place. I don't think Torres could lift his game quickly enough and be integrated into the team quickly enough to contribute the goals we need.

I am pie · 14-12-2011 11:45AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Recently i'm hearing rumours of a bid for Darren Bent in the New Year.

Is that is the level of our ambition at the moment?

I would take Torres back in a heartbeat. Torres or Darren Bent? No Contest.

Would rather have Bent all day long.

Crazy Horse 6 · 14-12-2011 11:46AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Recently i'm hearing rumours of a bid for Darren Bent in the New Year.

Is that is the level of our ambition at the moment?

I would take Torres back in a heartbeat. Torres or Darren Bent? No Contest.

No contest several years back but now not so much.

Devilman40k · 14-12-2011 11:48AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Recently i'm hearing rumours of a bid for Darren Bent in the New Year.

Is that is the level of our ambition at the moment?

I would take Torres back in a heartbeat. Torres or Darren Bent? No Contest.

I don't know, if Torres could get back the form he had prior to the World Cup then yes. But Bent is a finisher in the John Aldridge mode, does sod all else bar stick it in the goal and to be honest we need that badly.

If we could guarantee Torres was over his confidence,injury problems then yep Torres every time, otherwise it has to be Bent (at that price)

mike65 · 14-12-2011 11:58AM

I dunno why we're discussing this :pac:

Is Torres fit?
Is Torres happy at Chelsea?
Would Chelsea sell him back?
Would Torres want to come back?
Could Liverpool raise the money and do a deal?
Where would a deal leave Carroll?

Morzadec · 14-12-2011 12:05PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Recently i'm hearing rumours of a bid for Darren Bent in the New Year.

Is that is the level of our ambition at the moment?

I would take Torres back in a heartbeat. Torres or Darren Bent? No Contest.

You'd know what you'd be getting with Darren Bent. A consistent finisher who knows where the back of the net is (i.e. what we need at the moment), nowhere near as injury prone as Torres. Still seems to be in his prime at Villa (scoring 1 in 2 more or less).

Torres, I don't know. I just think it's a risk. He could go some way to rediscover his Anfield form he will definitely not be as good as he was 3/4 seasons ago, but he could continue his Chelsea form and that would be a massive waste of money.

If we imagine the transfer fees would be roughly the same, with Torres commanding roughly £70-80,000 a week more in wages, then I'm really not sure if Torres is worth £15m more then Bent over 4 years

kop77 · 14-12-2011 12:23PM

Looks like both players could be on the move in Jan..........

@GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
Villa is not leaving FCB in January. Torres? Would you sell a motobike you just bought for 50m for half the price? Of course not! Not 4 sale

Jesus Wept · 14-12-2011 12:27PM

Torres is a motobike.

kop77 · 14-12-2011 12:29PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Torres is a motobike.

A broken one it seems...........

@GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
Typical male answer. So if the bike was broke you wouldn't repair it, you would sell it at a loss. U not very good business men, are u? :-)

14-12-2011 12:29PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Torres is a motobike.

:pac:

VW 1 · 14-12-2011 12:29PM

kop77 wrote: »

Looks like both players could be on the move in Jan..........

If Ballague is saying both not for sale, it is likely they are both for sale..

This is the same guy that deletes entries from his blog when he is proved to have been incorrect about some rumour or other, just so he looks like he is ITK

Jesus Wept · 14-12-2011 12:54PM

VW 1 wrote: »

If Ballague is saying both not for sale, it is likely they are both for sale..

This is the same guy that deletes entries from his blog when he is proved to have been incorrect about some rumour or other, just so he looks like he is ITK

ffs, chancers like him give the rest of us a bad name.

Handsome Bob · 14-12-2011 12:54PM

kop77 wrote: »

A broken one it seems...........

TBH, that response did make me chuckle. :pac:

14-12-2011 12:57PM

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Grayditch · 14-12-2011 12:57PM

Torres is the past.

Leiva · 14-12-2011 01:02PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Torres is the past.

No he is not ...he is a bike !

VW 1 · 14-12-2011 01:04PM

I can see the potential for the equivalent to the Robben is a ball thread

Sappy404 · 14-12-2011 01:08PM

VW 1 wrote: »

If Ballague is saying both not for sale, it is likely they are both for sale..

This is the same guy that deletes entries from his blog when he is proved to have been incorrect about some rumour or other, just so he looks like he is ITK

He was right about Torres last January, in fairness.

Turtyturd · 14-12-2011 01:08PM

VW 1 wrote: »

If Ballague is saying both not for sale, it is likely they are both for sale..

This is the same guy that deletes entries from his blog when he is proved to have been incorrect about some rumour or other, just so he looks like he is ITK

Yeah he almost caught us out last year when he said Torres handed in a transfer request and was going to Chelsea.

kop77 · 14-12-2011 01:08PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388827_274075272638160_161581393887549_800705_1844847960_n.jpg

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Brilliant .............

more... more....

Kess73 · 14-12-2011 01:28PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Yeah he almost caught us out last year when he said Torres handed in a transfer request and was going to Chelsea.

If I remember correctly he came out last January and said that he was certain that Torres was going to Chelsea, but would not be surprised if he stayed at Liverpool either.

Ballbag has a track record of pretty much giving two options and then if one turns out to be right he goes on to claim he called it in advance. He seems to be pretty good at editing his site after events as well.

Turtyturd · 14-12-2011 01:32PM

Kess73 wrote: »

If I remember correctly he came out last January and said that he was certain that Torres was going to Chelsea, but would not be surprised if he stayed at Liverpool either.

Ballbag has a track record of pretty much giving two options and then if one turns out to be right he goes on to claim he called it in advance. He seems to be pretty good at editing his site after events as well.

Well he was right when he said he wasn't going to London in a Helicopter or by jet pack.;)

th3 s1aught3r · 14-12-2011 01:37PM

I am pie wrote: »

Would rather have Bent all day long.

Bent is a quality finisher no doubt. Just wonder why he never made the move to a "big" club.
No way on Torres back, even if he wanted to come, which I doubt

1. He left us in the lurch on the last day of transfer window. would Kenny want him back ?
2. He seems to have lost whatever made him a great player. Cant even get into the Chelsea team now

D'Agger · 14-12-2011 01:39PM

Was Comolli involved in bringing Bent to Spurs or was that before his time there?

Turtyturd · 14-12-2011 01:39PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Bent is a quality finisher no doubt. Just wonder why he never made the move to a "big" club.
No way on Torres back, even if he wanted to come, which I doubt

1. He left us in the lurch on the last day of transfer window. would Kenny want him back ?
2. He seems to have lost whatever made him a great player. Cant even get into the Chelsea team now

Apparently he refused when Torres wanted to withdraw his transfer request. If you believe the rumors.:pac:

Jesus Wept · 14-12-2011 01:44PM

If I believe the rumours, Gerrard's career is over due to catching something from the wife's sister.

I hope the Kenny one is true though.

Outkast_IRE · 14-12-2011 01:44PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Apparently he refused when Torres wanted to withdraw his transfer request. If you believe the rumors.:pac:

Dead right too by leaving the deal go through he got in good with the owners and ensured if he goes asking for transfer funds they would be more inclined to say yes.

If its true then it was a nicer bit of business than previously thought , imagine if he stayed on and played similar to the way hes played at chelesea .

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