Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

SlickRic · 09-12-2011 02:24PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Nothing but a sideshow. Less talking and more wining games. I don't think a Liverpool manager should be mouthing off when a club like Spurs are ahead of us in the league. It's embarrassing.

no it's not.

they've had consistent investment for years, and have an excellent team.

they'll be ahead of Utd if they win their game in hand.

not embarrassing in the slightest. that's the bar that has been set.

09-12-2011 02:44PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Nothing but a sideshow. Less talking and more wining games. I don't think a Liverpool manager should be mouthing off when a club like Spurs are ahead of us in the league. It's embarrassing.

I'll bite.

He had every right to mouth off.

Do you ever have anything positive to say about LFC in fairness?

Leiva · 09-12-2011 02:44PM

SlickRic wrote: »

no it's not.

they've had consistent investment for years, and have an excellent team.

they'll be ahead of Utd if they win their game in hand.

not embarrassing in the slightest. that's the bar that has been set.

I would go a step further and say IF they steer clear of injuries etc I think Spurs will take second place .

I just can't see any chink in their armor .
They look solid enough at the back and are a real threat going forward .

Bale is the key man that needs to stay fit , but also Parker looks a cracking buy and Adebayor does everything I wish Carroll would .

Now there I said it :pac:

09-12-2011 02:49PM

mixednuts wrote: »

I would go a step further and say IF they steer clear of injuries etc I think Spurs will take second place .

I just can't see any chink in their armor .
They look solid enough at the back and are a real threat going forward .

Bale is the key man that needs to stay fit , but also Parker looks a cracking buy and Adebayor does everything I wish Carroll would .

Now there I said it :pac:

They'll have a bad run, every team will. I must admit they look good so far though.

They are averaging almost 2.4 points per game ffs - keep that up and they'll hit 91 points ! It ain't gonna happen.

The Chessplayer · 09-12-2011 02:53PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Parker looks a cracking buy and Adebayor does everything I wish Carroll would .

2 excellent acquisitions by Redknapp.

If only we had been a bit more intelligent in the transfer market.

_blank_ · 09-12-2011 02:58PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Moyes, Pulis & Warnock have all echoed Dalglish's comments from yesterday to one extent or another. The joys of having a British manager I guess.

It must sicken you that Moyes is doing it. You hate him.

redzerdrog · 09-12-2011 02:59PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

2 excellent acquisitions by Redknapp.

If only we had been a bit more intelligent in the transfer market.

we had no need for parker as we had a superier player in lucas and while ade is a good short term option for spurs he was never an option for us as we already had carroll and i doubt city would be paying his wages for him to play for liverpool

Kess73 · 09-12-2011 03:03PM

mixednuts wrote: »

I would go a step further and say IF they steer clear of injuries etc I think Spurs will take second place .

I just can't see any chink in their armor .
They look solid enough at the back and are a real threat going forward .

Bale is the key man that needs to stay fit , but also Parker looks a cracking buy and Adebayor does everything I wish Carroll would .

Now there I said it :pac:

The one weak link I always thought Spurs had was their manager. I just never saw him as being a manager that was at the same level of quality as their squad is. I don't think he is a crap manager or anything silly like that, but I don't think he is a top quality one, whereas I think their squad does have the makings of a top quality one.

But I think that Onest 'Arry's recent misfortunes both in terms of health and finance may have given that squad a bit of a motivational bounce and the results followed. If people think back to when Ged had his turn during the game against Leeds, and the run we went on in his absence. It seemed to galvinise the squad into getting great results for the gaffer, and I think the same may be happening at Spurs.

Now with Arry in court next month for his Tax issues, there may be a second bounce if the players are indeed buying into a "do it for the gaffer" mentality.

The Chessplayer · 09-12-2011 03:03PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'll bite.

He had every right to mouth off.

Do you ever have anything positive to say about LFC in fairness?

What are you on about this time??? Of course I do. I'm just saying that there's an air of a lack of discipline at the club these days and it's not the Liverpool way.

Can you imagine John Barnes sticking his fingers us at the crowd after they threw a banana at him? He should take a leaf out of Lucas's book. The man is a model professional and future club captain I hope.

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 03:04PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

They'll have a bad run, every team will. I must admit they look good so far though.

They are averaging almost 2.4 points per game ffs - keep that up and they'll hit 91 points ! It ain't gonna happen.

Agree, prior to going on this run Spurs form over the previous 50 games or so was very poor relative to their current form. They'll hit a bad run sooner or later through loss of form, injuries etc. That's not to say they won't be competing for top 4, they certainly will, but I don't think they'll keep up with the top 2

January should tell a lot. Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea fans are all to some degree expecting new arrivals to strengthen their sides. I honestly don't see Spurs or Newcastle spending that much, so that may balance things slightly

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 03:06PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Can you imagine John Barnes sticking his fingers us at the crowd after they threw a banana at him?

He'd have been well within his rights to do worse IMO

The Chessplayer · 09-12-2011 03:08PM

Des wrote: »

It must sicken you that Moyes is doing it. You hate him.

Liverpool fans most certainly do not hate David Moyes.

09-12-2011 03:11PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

What are you on about this time??? Of course I do. I'm just saying that there's an air of a lack of discipline at the club these days and it's not the Liverpool way.

Can you imagine John Barnes sticking his fingers us at the crowd after they threw a banana at him? He should take a leaf out of Lucas's book. The man is a model professional and future club captain I hope.

I was responding to you saying Kenny shouldn't be mouthing off. He has every right to - the FA have serious double standards and it needed highlighting.

I'd be píssed off if he didn't highlight it tbh.

I never mentioned the Suarez incident so not sure why you needed to mention John Barnes, bananas or Lucas but cheers anyway !

NabyLadistheman · 09-12-2011 03:11PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Liverpool fans most certainly do not hate David Moyes.

He was obviously referring to Mr. Alan

RasTa · 09-12-2011 03:14PM

Is this true?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/08/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-video-unfair-treatment

Can it be viewed anywhere?

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 03:17PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Liverpool fans most certainly do not hate David Moyes.

Plenty do. First thing he did when he arrived was have a little dig at Liverpool

The People in the street support Everton

Kess73 · 09-12-2011 03:19PM

Digger backheeling the banana rather than reacting to the morons was a powerful image.

Was a brilliant way to deal with racist hecklers, and many footballers would do well to look at the way John Barnes dealt with abuse throughout his career. He never hid from the abusers, but never went down to their level either.

I think Chessplayer is not far off the mark in some of what he is saying. Suarez was stupid to do what he did. I have defended him on the grounds of there being a lack of consistency shown by the FA in the matter and that I could see where he was coming from in terms of reacting to idiots abusing him, but that does not make what he did anything other than stupid.

I also think that the time for the club to talk about refs in detail, or the FA in detail is behind closed doors, save for making once off prepared statements to the media on specific issues. If the media keep asking, then just refer them to the statement given.

I like to see a manager defending their players, but quite often the less a thing is repeated, the more powerful it's words are.

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 03:34PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Digger backheeling the banana rather than reacting to the morons was a powerful image.

Was a brilliant way to deal with racist hecklers, and many footballers would do well to look at the way John Barnes dealt with abuse throughout his career. He never hid from the abusers, but never went down to their level either.

I think Chessplayer is not far off the mark in some of what he is saying. Suarez was stupid to do what he did. I have defended him on the grounds of there being a lack of consistency shown by the FA in the matter and that I could see where he was coming from in terms of reacting to idiots abusing him, but that does not make what he did anything other than stupid.

I also think that the time for the club to talk about refs in detail, or the FA in detail is behind closed doors, save for making once off prepared statements to the media on specific issues. If the media keep asking, then just refer them to the statement given.

I like to see a manager defending their players, but quite often the less a thing is repeated, the more powerful it's words are.

Barnes dealt with the abuse admirably no doubt, but I don't think comparing the abuse he suffered relative to what some players today suffer holds up on the basis that Barnes had a far greater right to react then Suarez. Suarez was daft to react, but I don't think his reaction justifies a charge against him

Regarding the refs, its a bit of a mountain out of a molehill IMO. Yes there's a lack of consistency, but its not a bias against Liverpool by any stretch (not saying that's what you're implying btw).

There's been decisions both for and against the side this year, and while I'm not saying it even itself out, its part of the game. I don't think the club should go preparing a Wenger style dossier

The FA obviously aren't consistent, and this should certainly be highlighted, however IMO, its not anti-Liverpool or pro-Utd thing, its just ineptitude

Mr Alan · 09-12-2011 03:37PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Nothing but a sideshow. Less talking and more wining games. I don't think a Liverpool manager should be mouthing off when a club like Spurs are ahead of us in the league. It's embarrassing.

Well I disagree & personally think you're embarrasing.

Different strokes for different folks etc.

The Chessplayer · 09-12-2011 03:42PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Plenty do. First thing he did when he arrived was have a little dig at Liverpool

Ah I wouldn't begrudge the toffees a little dig like that. Wouldn't say it's easy being an Everton supporter, getting hopped off nearly every year by a much wealthier club down the road....but thank god Sheik whatshisname bought City and not Everton.

Kess73 wrote: »

Suarez was stupid to do what he did.

The risk is that Suarez might throw a strop if Kenny took a hardline, then we'd be in trouble. That's the problem with having a team with only one star. It's all very well for Mancini to boot Tevez up the hole as he has a shed out of players just as good.

Over the past few years we've had 2 star players in Gerrard and Torres, but they had much more predictable personalities. We don't know what Suarez is really like yet. It's a tough one for KD.

Kess73 · 09-12-2011 03:53PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Barnes dealt with the abuse admirably no doubt, but I don't think comparing the abuse he suffered relative to what some players today suffer holds up on the basis that Barnes had a far greater right to react then Suarez. Suarez was daft to react, but I don't think his reaction justifies a charge against him
Regarding the refs, its a bit of a mountain out of a molehill IMO. Yes there's a lack of consistency, but its not a bias against Liverpool by any stretch (not saying that's what you're implying btw).

There's been decisions both for and against the side this year, and while I'm not saying it even itself out, its part of the game. I don't think the club should go preparing a Wenger style dossier

The FA obviously aren't consistent, and this should certainly be highlighted, however IMO, its not anti-Liverpool or pro-Utd thing, its just ineptitude

The fact that Digger showed so much class whilst getting worse abuse than most modern day footballers is exactly why he is such a great example of how to react to abuse imho.

The Chessplayer · 09-12-2011 03:53PM

Can't we all just get along, Alan?

kop77 · 09-12-2011 03:58PM

...

@Richard_Buxton_ Richard Buxton
Some interesting & slightly ominous stats about Lee Mason in relation to #LFC games ahead of tomorrow's visit of QPR to Anfield...

@Richard_Buxton_ Richard Buxton
Mason's record of #LFC games: P12 W4 D5 L3. At Anfield: P3 W2 D1. Disciplinary record overall: 13 yellow cards, 3 red. Now for ominous bit..

@Richard_Buxton_ Richard Buxton
Last time #LFC played at Fulham on a Monday night, which Mason coincidentally officiated, they lost their next home game to a London side.

AHH..... jibber jabber...

Kess73 · 09-12-2011 04:00PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

The risk is that Suarez might throw a strop if Kenny took a hardline, then we'd be in trouble. That's the problem with having a team with only one star. It's all very well for Mancini to boot Tevez up the hole as he has a shed out of players just as good.

Over the past few years we've had 2 star players in Gerrard and Torres, but they had much more predictable personalities. We don't know what Suarez is really like yet. It's a tough one for KD.

An hour or two ago you were saying Suarez should be dropped from the team for sticking up his finger, now you are saying that taking a hardline with him would be a risk.:)

So are you for or against Suarez being dropped and out of the team for the next game?

Mr Alan · 09-12-2011 04:00PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Can't we all just get along, Alan?

No.

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 04:01PM

Kess73 wrote: »

The fact that Digger showed so much class whilst getting worse abuse than most modern day footballers is exactly why he is such a great example of how to react to abuse imho.

I'm really in two minds regarding this. While I agree with you to an extent, the cases are quiet different in that a reaction from Barnes would have been completely justified, while Suarez's reaction wasn't. I don't think holding up an example of a case where a reaction could have been justified against one where it wasn't is a fair comparison

tommyhaas · 09-12-2011 04:04PM

kop77 wrote: »

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AHH..... jibber jabber...

Irrelevant IMO, he was anti-Everton last weekend, he'll be anti-Liverpool this weekend if QPR get anything, and no doubt he'll be anti someone else the following weekend

Kess73 · 09-12-2011 04:05PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I'm really in two minds regarding this. While I agree with you to an extent, the cases are quiet different in that a reaction from Barnes would have been completely justified, while Suarez's reaction wasn't. I don't think holding up an example of a case where a reaction could have been justified against one where it wasn't is a fair comparison

But I am not comparing reactions in term of levels of abuse. My point is simply that Digger's reaction to abuse throughout his career makes him a great role model in how to react to any kind of abuse with a degree of class.

Whether or not Digger would have been more justified to react is neither here nor there in relation to what I am saying.

YouTookMyName · 09-12-2011 04:08PM

Fucking hate lee mason. Suarez is going to have to get shot to get anything tomorrow.

kop77 · 09-12-2011 04:10PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Irrelevant IMO, he was anti-Everton last weekend, he'll be anti-Liverpool this weekend if QPR get anything, and no doubt he'll be anti someone else the following weekend

and and ........

@Richard_Buxton_ Richard Buxton
If #LFC fail to win against QPR they will only have won four of their past 10 meetings with newly-promoted sides at Anfield

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