Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

Andy!! · 04-12-2011 07:50PM

Most of the time the sarcastic muppets in AH are pretty funny; but in a thread like this, they make AH seem like its turning into 4chan.

Hang heads in shame, lads.

steddyeddy · 04-12-2011 07:52PM

pH wrote: »

I know we keep cats as pets, and we have empathy for them, but in terms of a developed brain and the ability to feel pain, fear and suffer is there really much difference between a 4 month old kitten and a 4 month old rat?

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's a video I'd want to watch, but logically if we're happy with live mammals being fed to snakes does it really matter which ones?

When I talk about my disgust at animal cruelty Im more disgusted by the mentality of the person commiting the cruelty. There is a completley different mentality involved in killing an animal for food and killing or torturing an animal for fun.

steddyeddy · 04-12-2011 07:57PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Yes it's certainly disturbing, but that's not the point, if it offends somebody that does not make it illegal, it may be sick all right. If a rat can be fed legally to a snake so can a kitten. IMO neither should be allowed. I don't know the specifics of what is legal to feed to animals, live rats/fish/whatever but if rats were allowed to be fed to them it would be hypocritical for the law to then say it's cuter so it's a crime.

The man took pleasure in the animals suffering its not a simple case of him feeding his pet becuase it was hungry.

theTinker · 04-12-2011 08:22PM

I initally didnt know how to feel about this event. I worked down at the animal shelter for the last 1.5 years and only recentily stopped due to other work commitments. I take care of dogs and cats all day long, mostly cleaning thier poop up, washing thier homes, and walking them many times a day before feeding them thier dinne to them.

I have 2 cats i love very much and consider them family...

But I cannot see the problem really with this video. I dont want to watch it as it would make me want to vomit, but only i because i love my cats and dogs so much. My sister has a snake and I've fed it little mice loads of times. It needs to eat. So i feed it. My cats eat meat. I'd kill a chicken and cook up a chicken if needed. So What is the difference between a mouse/rat/cat/chinese person eating dog/irish person eating cow.

Its not like this cat was tortured. Its body was used for food and it was killed for that purpose. I do the same to cows(through tesco)... Shame. I like cats alot. But snakes need to eat. One cat versus a few mice? Who am i to judge.

cassi wrote: »

Ah come on, there's a huge difference in just feeding a snake a rat or mouse and feeding it a domesticated house cat.

Whats sick is that, the person did this for ENTERTAINMENT!! And its a very very safe assumption to make that the kitten was used because it would get more of a reaction. Thats both cruel AND unnecessary!!

Whats worse is they promised more videos, if they are starting with kittens where will they progress to.

Can you explain to me the difference here? I agree in that I think it was used as a kitten for shock value and lolz, which i think is gross. Not because its a kitten, but because i dont find killing lolz at all. Even insects I keep alive unless needed. The act itself was nothing cruel, maybe the intention.

But in that case, are you appalled because it was a cat and not a rat or dog?
Or because it was recorded?

If its the video and not the use/killing of the animal, then theres nothing to be too annoyed at, We've all seen hundreds of videos of slightly cruel videos, children falling off bikes on camera shows on TV, we've all squashed insects without so much as a thought, and we all kill animals to feed our meat eatin pets and wouldnt mind posting a video of it then.

theTinker · 04-12-2011 08:24PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The man took pleasure in the animals suffering its not a simple case of him feeding his pet becuase it was hungry.

Does this matter though?

The man having pleasure from the animal dying makes no difference that the animal needed to die to feed its predator.
Its like someone watching the nature channel and getting excited about seeing how perfect a killer a lion can be when stalking, chasing and ripping apart its prey.
Whats the difference? Would it make a difference if the mans was emotionally regretful that the animal needed to die to feed its predator then?

cassi · 04-12-2011 08:44PM

But I cannot see the problem really with this video. I dont want to watch it as it would make me want to vomit, but only i because i love my cats and dogs so much. My cats eat meat. I'd kill a chicken and cook up a chicken if needed. So What is the difference between a mouse/rat/cat/chinese person eating dog/irish person eating cow.

The actual feeding is secondary in the video! I know you haven't watched the video but are you aware of what happened in it??

Its not like this cat was tortured. Its body was used for food and it was killed for that purpose. I do the same to cows(through tesco)... Shame. I like cats alot. But snakes need to eat. One cat versus a few mice? Who am i to judge.

Again I ask are you aware of what happened in the video? Its body was eaten yes, but its killing was for entertainment!

Can you explain to me the difference here? I agree in that I think it was used as a kitten for shock value and lolz, which i think is gross. Not because its a kitten, but because i dont find killing lolz at all.

The difference in the context of the video is that it was a pet! In the video he cuddles and plays with the cat before giving it to the snake, when the cat went into defensive mode after spotting the snake the guy distracted the kitten so the snake could pounce. Had it been a wild animal the animal wouldn't have let the person distract it and thus had a chance against the snake.

But in that case, are you appalled because it was a cat and not a rat or dog? Or because it was recorded? If its the video and not the use/killing of the animal, then theres nothing to be too annoyed at, We've all seen hundreds of videos of slightly cruel videos, children falling off bikes on camera shows on TV, we've all squashed insects without so much as a thought, and we all kill animals to feed our meat eatin pets and wouldnt mind posting a video of it then.

Regardless of the species used, its a sick video of unnecessary animal cruelty. Its not JUST feeding because a responsible snake owner wouldn't feed a kitten to a snake infact as pointed out several times in this thread and a simple google will tell you feeding live to a pet snake isn't recommended at all!

The dramatics of the santa hat, hiding the snake, playing christmas music even the title indicated this wasn't just feeding a snake because it was hungry. Comparing it with a youtude vid of a kid fallling a bike is hugely off the mark.

Andy!! · 04-12-2011 09:02PM

I think this thread has been hijacked by buddhists who cry for every squashed bug in the world... there is a difference between frozen rats and a live kitten people! If you need an explanation as to why that is, well then you're touched in the head frankly.

theTinker · 04-12-2011 09:09PM

cassi wrote: »

The actual feeding is secondary in the video! I know you haven't watched the video but are you aware of what happened in it??

Im aware of it as much as readin this thread has told me, I understand the sicko took pleasure in the killing and used christmas props and music etc. Although i wouldnt approve of the behaviour myself, I dont think it really makes any difference what emotional reactions the guy had to the killing? Would it be better or different if he was regretful but still did it?

cassi wrote: »

Again I ask are you aware of what happened in the video? Its body was eaten yes, but its killing was for entertainment!

see above. I understand that it was done for entertainment, but its enjoyment factor for the guy doesnt impact what the video main content was, they other things are just props to make sick fun of the situation.

cassi wrote: »

theTinker wrote: »

Can you explain to me the difference here? I agree in that I think it was used as a kitten for shock value and lolz, which i think is gross. Not because its a kitten, but because i dont find killing lolz at all.

The difference in the context of the video is that it was a pet! In the video he cuddles and plays with the cat before giving it to the snake,

I completely disagree that the animals bearing as a 'pet' can be used as any measure in this, the only person that gets to decide the 'pet' factor of the animal is the owner, and obviously whoever sold it to him gave up the rights to protect the animal(as far as cruelty), but the owner decided it was food now. If i had a snake and it needed rats, I'd feed it rats. Some others would consider rats pets. I think the important part here is If i bought a rat and played with for afew days before feeding it to my snake. Would that be any more wrong than feeding it to the snake on Day 1? Its Pet factor is just a made up standard we humans use to designate animals in our households.

cassi wrote: »

when the cat went into defensive mode after spotting the snake the guy distracted the kitten so the snake could pounce. Had it been a wild animal the animal wouldn't have let the person distract it and thus had a chance against the snake.

Had a chance against the snake? This is irrelevant,He's not going to start making the snake fight for each meal and lose through probability. I can understand your dissaproval of the video for its intention. However if your argument is partially based on the chance of survival for the cat, then its the content of the animals ability and which animal is used comes into the question, and theres no way you can choose "cat" as ok and "rat" as not ok. Or "Cat with defensive ability" as opposed to "baby kitten".

cassi wrote: »

Regardless of the species used, its a sick video of unnecessary animal cruelty. Its not JUST feeding because a responsible snake owner wouldn't feed a kitten to a snake infact as pointed out several times in this thread and a simple google will tell you feeding live to a pet snake isn't recommended at all!

I completely agree, I think for different reasons though, I dont find anything cruel about the video. Which surprised me giving my fondness for cats, My own are treated like royalty. One has my blanket right now even though im cold, but his fat ass looks comfortable so he wins this round. I think the video is only wrong in the intention it was videoed, and not the content of it at all. If it had morgan freemans voice over it, It'd be a nature show.

cassi wrote: »

The dramatics of the santa hat, hiding the snake, playing christmas music even the title indicated this wasn't just feeding a snake because it was hungry. Comparing it with a youtude vid of a kid fallling a bike is hugely off the mark.

I listed three comparisons, each getting more heavy in comparison, One including an animals death, please dont single pick parts of my posts without taking all related parts into considersation

I think we agree that the video is uncalled for and wrong, but for entirely different reasons.

Dave! · 04-12-2011 09:11PM

Andy!! wrote: »

I think this thread has been hijacked by buddhists who cry for every squashed bug in the world... there is a difference between frozen rats and a live kitten people! If you need an explanation as to why that is, well then you're touched in the head frankly.

Don't think anyone's saying otherwise

Is there a difference between a live rat and a live kittens? What is it ?

Sky King · 04-12-2011 09:12PM

Hopefully they catch him and put in him jail and stick him down with some of the hard hittin' boys in B-Block with dicks like pythons.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-12-2011 09:17PM

Burmese Albino Python's are not exactly a common snake as pets go, someone is bound to know this idiot including his local petshop / vet and hopefully will shop him in.

I hope a huge mob turns up outside his house and forces him out of town, plus he gets six months , lifetime ban on keeping pets and a 4 year ban from keeping any camera or PC.

BunShopVoyeur · 04-12-2011 09:34PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The man took pleasure in the animals suffering its not a simple case of him feeding his pet becuase it was hungry.

It might have been hungry......

Andy!! · 04-12-2011 09:58PM

Dave! wrote: »

Is there a difference between a live rat and a live kittens? What is it ?

Cuteness.

cassi · 04-12-2011 09:59PM

Tinker, I think you're missing my point all round! The video was not of a "feeding" it was of a "killing". This is suppose to be the same guy that made the video last year of him suffocitating two kittens in a bag. Hes a sicko.

The "pet" part has a huge bearing in it for me!! The Cat was clearly a pet (by pet im talking about a tame demosticated pet) as a cat owner I'm sure you know that a untame cat certainly wouldn't let itself be put into a hat, be cuddled and without a doubt it wouldn't let itself be distracted when faced with danger. If you're gonna have an animal as food then rare it as such!

The cat having a chance is relevant in that it furthers my point that it was a video made to get pleasure out of a killing!

I completely agree, I think for different reasons though, I dont find anything cruel about the video.

How do you not see anything wrong in the video?? You agree its unnecessary, you agree it was made for entertainment yet you don't see anything wrong in the video??!! The mind boggles. FYI apart from the physical process of the snake eating the cat there was NOTHING natural about what happened in the video!!

I listed three comparisons, each getting more heavy in comparison, One including an animals death, please dont single pick parts of my posts without taking all related parts into considersation

Okay then let me address all three, comparing a slightly cruel video, a kid falling off a bike or someone standing on an insect cannot, be compared to someone making a video of unnecessary animal cruelty purely for sick entertainment.

Now i've made it clear as to where i stand on this sick person so im not gonna keep arguing it!

cassi · 04-12-2011 10:10PM

Dave! wrote: »

Is there a difference between a live rat and a live kittens? What is it ?

Personally I've said that regardless of the species its sickening. Had it been a cat, rat, dog or slug the fact the idiot made the video for the purpose of entertainment is horrible.

The difference in it being a kitten instead of a rat is that the kitten is NOT a accepted food stuff for a pet snake. Had it been a rat then the argument that its just like any other feeding video that some people are trying to make, may have some standing!

Most people here that are horrified by the video haven't even said its anything to do with cuteness. People trying to claim hypocrisy are!

RGDATA! · 04-12-2011 10:17PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

anyone that is able to sit back and laugh and mock any animal knowing they are going to hear its cries of terror and death is a sick b*stard.

Would love to put this guy in front a bear and see the terror in his eyes as he struggles for his life.

so does that make you a sick b*stard? i'm confused

steddyeddy · 04-12-2011 10:33PM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It might have been hungry......

Im not a snake expert but Im guessing the animals feeding habits dont require you to film the death of the creature and put it on youtube for shock value.

The Sweeper · 04-12-2011 10:59PM

No do the snake's feeding habits require you to feed it live prey.

Depending what western country you live in, live feeding of mammals to reptiles is illegal. Your rates and mice can be purchased frozen in bulk and thawed before being fed to your snake. The only grounds for live feeding to your snake is as a last resort to prevent it starving to death.

It's all about 'unnecessary suffering'. Is a kitten a reasonable meal for a snake? If you mean is it a mammal of a certain size, then yes. It is neccessary to allow a kitten be attacked and slowly crushed to death by the snake before being eaten? No, no it's not necessary to allow that. If you were utterly determined to feed a kitten to a snake, you could kill the kitten with a sharp blow to the head before feeding it, so it literally wouldn't know what had hit it.

So what does that make the man who fed a live kitten to his snake?

Why, that makes him a sociopath.

Should he be convicted for it?

Yes he should. The whole glory of being a higher species is that just because we can do something, that doesn't mean we should do it.

Dave! · 04-12-2011 11:33PM

cassi wrote: »

Personally I've said that regardless of the species its sickening. Had it been a cat, rat, dog or slug the fact the idiot made the video for the purpose of entertainment is horrible.

Agreed

cassi wrote: »

The difference in it being a kitten instead of a rat is that the kitten is NOT a accepted food stuff for a pet snake. Had it been a rat then the argument that its just like any other feeding video that some people are trying to make, may have some standing!

That's a fairly arbitrary distinction... As I understand it a snake will happily eat a cat and get all the necessary nutrition and energy from it. Just because it's more palatable (for humans) to feed the snake rats doesn't mean there's any difference between the two victims. Rats don't like to be eaten any less than kittens do!

Would you be equally happy for the snake to eat a euthanised/frozen kitten as you would a frozen rat?

cassi wrote: »

Most people here that are horrified by the video haven't even said its anything to do with cuteness. People trying to claim hypocrisy are!

I'm not expecting anyone to use 'cuteness' in their argument... But that's pretty much what it comes down to!

Da Shins Kelly · 04-12-2011 11:42PM

Dave! wrote: »

I'm not expecting anyone to use 'cuteness' in their argument... But that's pretty much what it comes down to!

I don't understand why people keep saying that. I haven't seen anyone making that argument. Most people are just appalled at the circumstances in the video, and I can't speak for anyone else, but I think most people would be appalled regardless of what type of animal it was. The nature of the video itself is awful. It's also been stated on here by people in the know that snakes don't require live feeding unless they are refusing to eat and are in danger of starving. If people who actually know something about snakes are expressing concern about it, then I think it's pretty safe to say that what's happening in this video is not responsible behaviour for a snake owner.

Chuck Stone · 04-12-2011 11:52PM

Dave! wrote: »

Just because it's more palatable (for humans) to feed the snake rats doesn't mean there's any difference between the two victims. Rats don't like to be eaten any less than kittens do!

Cats are our natural allies. They've kept rodents from the grain store for millenia. They've contributed to our civilisation if you think about it.

Rats and mice are our enemies. Historically, they competed with us for food and we used the humble and unoffensive cat to keep them at bay.

They deserve our respect because they've earned it.

BunShopVoyeur · 04-12-2011 11:56PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im not a snake expert but Im guessing the animals feeding habits dont require you to film the death of the creature and put it on youtube for shock value.

There are dozens and dozens of these kinds of videos on Youtube, why is this one so special?

Cat, dog, rat, mouse, rabbit, hamster, chicken..........what's the ethical order in which you're allowed to feed these to a snake?

This isn't a dig at you.....just wondering.

cassi · 05-12-2011 12:06AM

Dave! wrote: »

That's a fairly arbitrary distinction... As I understand it a snake will happily eat a cat and get all the necessary nutrition and energy from it. Just because it's more palatable (for humans) to feed the snake rats doesn't mean there's any difference between the two victims. Rats don't like to be eaten any less than kittens do!

Not really because we're not talking about what the snake ate, we're talking about what was fed to the snake! We're talking in the context of the video, which is what is horrifying people. The fact that this guy made it for entertainment. The snake will eat what its given you can't excuse the snake for that but the guy as a pet owner is responsible for the feeding of a snake so the kitten shouldn't be used as food.

Would you be equally happy for the snake to eat a euthanised/frozen kitten as you would a frozen rat?

Had they been acceptable food stuffs for pet snakes then yes, its how it should be done but again remember we're not talking about feeding a snake. We're talking about an unnecessary act of cruelty that was performed for entertainment.

I'm not expecting anyone to use 'cuteness' in their argument... But that's pretty much what it comes down to!

Its nothing but an assumption that, thats why people are horrified. In fact most people have said they are appauled by the cruelty in the video regardless of what animal was used.

steddyeddy · 05-12-2011 12:10AM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

There are dozens and dozens of these kinds of videos on Youtube, why is this one so special?

Cat, dog, rat, mouse, rabbit, hamster, chicken..........what's the ethical order in which you're allowed to feed these to a snake?

This isn't a dig at you.....just wondering.

Well thats a fair question I dont see it as a dig at me. Ethical protection certainly is afforded to some animals more than others. Amongst other things the intelligence of the animal is one of the factors in affording an organisim ethical protection. All vertebrates are afforded ethical protection and one of the only non vertebrates that are afforded ethical protection are some of the cephalopods in particular the octopus. When it comes to our nearest relatives the great apes lawyers from harvard amongst other people are trying to propse new laws to give the great apes basic human rights, i.e right to freedom, protection of life and protection from torture.

Da Shins Kelly · 05-12-2011 01:46AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

When it comes to our nearest relatives the great apes lawyers from harvard amongst other people are trying to propse new laws to give the great apes basic human rights, i.e right to freedom, protection of life and protection from torture.

It would be great if this works out. Endangered species need all the protection they can get.

Kingpin187 · 05-12-2011 02:45AM

I had a Desert Kingsnake, who ate frozen furrys.. fully grown rats. Im in the UK now, so I dont know if its different.. but what I was told was that you can only live feed your snake if you have exhausted every other method with frozen/defrosted, and if it is in danger of starving to death.

In that case, it must not be witnessed by others or recorded etc.. as it would then cross the line into being "entertainment"

Not sure of the correct wording, but thats how it was put to me.. never had a problem with my snake though

Stinicker · 05-12-2011 03:18AM

I wonder has anyone caught this pyscho yet?

Run_to_da_hills · 05-12-2011 08:16AM

The pressure is on to catch this nutter, already a £2000 reward offered but I would say this will increase. Someone should hopefully dog him in for that.

Cat kill film No2 :mad:

05-12-2011 08:53AM

Jesus. You'd know we lead easy lives when we can be so affected by a cat getting killed. Who cares. It a cat.

Chuck Stone · 05-12-2011 08:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus. You'd know we lead easy lives when we can be so affected by a cat getting killed. Who cares. It a cat.

I fucking care. I hate cruelty and especially to cats because they never go looking for trouble.

Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

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