Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

harvester of sorrow · 03-12-2011 04:37PM

I ate a pussy last night then i let my python at it....feckin great it was:pac::pac::pac:

Skulldigger · 03-12-2011 04:38PM

People are such hypocrites. If it wasn't a cute and cuddly animal nobody would give a crap.

Hellrazer · 03-12-2011 04:40PM

pH wrote: »

So gassing kittens, freezing them and feeding them to snakes is fine, but live feeding not?

Exactly--I personally find live feeding horrible as do most snake owners.

Your current argument seems to come down to being worried about the safety of the guy feeding the kitten! is this your primary concern?

Of course not--its the whole feeding live that I find cruel.In the wild there is no option to the snake but as a responsible snake owner you do have a choice whether to feed live or not.Its an ongoing argument in the snake trade and one that will never be resolved.

that he may get bitten by his snake later on if he continues to live feed kittens?

Not about what type of animal it is.Live feeding can cause more SFEs(stupid feeding errors) than frozen.But the issue here is that in my opinion this bloke was cruel--he had a choice whether to feed live kittens or dead rats and chose a live kitten.

stupidusername · 03-12-2011 04:42PM

To all those who think this was cruel,what do you react when hearing about how crocodiles hunt,or komodo dragon,or foxes? Does that sicken you too?

Spunge · 03-12-2011 04:45PM

stupidusername wrote: »

To all those who think this was cruel,what do you react when hearing about how crocodiles hunt,or komodo dragon,or foxes? Does that sicken you too?

only if you throw it in a sun article with a load of buzzwords.

Dudess · 03-12-2011 04:55PM

Totally disingenuous to compare slaughter of animals for food (a food that animals also eat - should dogs and cats only be fed vegetarian foods?) to a guy luring an animal to a tortuous death and filming it for the lulz.

I don't get how it's hypocritical to find the latter more upsetting than the former - people can't help their emotional responses.

If the story was about a crocodile being tortured to death for the lulz, yeah I'd imagine people would be angered. Only thing is: a crocodile is more equipped to fight back than a kitten is.

Seems like fairly self-righteous arguing for the sake of it tbh. Well done though guys on your ability to be 100% consistent and not swayed in every thought and view you have.

OneArt · 03-12-2011 04:59PM

I love cats so this does upset me a little bit.

But then again, my cousins had a snake which they fed live mice to (well, usually frozen ones but sometimes live mice were cheaper).

I'm not sure where I stand on this, but if he was filming it for amusement he's a sick freak.

stupidusername · 03-12-2011 05:06PM

Dudess wrote: »

Totally disingenuous to compare slaughter of animals for food (a food that animals also eat - should dogs and cats only be fed vegetarian foods?) to a guy luring an animal to a tortuous death and filming it for the lulz.

Have you ever read or watched anything on animals and how they hunt? An animal killing another animal for food cannot be counted as torture. What the snake did was natural to him. The only thing unnatural about this is that a kitten wouldn't be part of its natural diet. What happened was essentially natural.only thing that makes this twisted is that someone is getting entertainment out of it. I do agree that the guy that allowed it happen and filmed it could potentially be a danger to other animals.

Spunge · 03-12-2011 05:06PM

Dudess wrote: »

Well done though guys on your ability to be 100% consistent and not swayed in every thought and view you have.

i try my best

Skulldigger · 03-12-2011 05:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

Totally disingenuous to compare slaughter of animals for food (a food that animals also eat - should dogs and cats only be fed vegetarian foods?) to a guy luring an animal to a tortuous death and filming it for the lulz.

I don't get how it's hypocritical to find the latter more upsetting than the former - people can't help their emotional responses.

If the story was about a crocodile being tortured to death for the lulz, yeah I'd imagine people would be angered. Only thing is: a crocodile is more equipped to fight back than a kitten is.

Seems like fairly self-righteous arguing for the sake of it tbh. Well done though guys on your ability to be 100% consistent and not swayed in every thought and view you have.

The reason it made it into the paper is because it was a kitten. There's lots of almost identical videos but it's a chicken or a rat instead of a kitten. There were no articles about that, why? Because people simply aren't as disgusted by certain animals being killed for the lulz as they would be for a cute kitten.

Spunge · 03-12-2011 05:15PM

OneArt wrote: »

I love cats so this does upset me a little bit.

But then again, my cousins had a snake which they fed live mice to (well, usually frozen ones but sometimes live mice were cheaper).

I'm not sure where I stand on this, but if he was filming it for amusement he's a sick freak.

Or maybe the next david attenborough

Einhard · 03-12-2011 05:15PM

Dudess wrote: »

Totally disingenuous to compare slaughter of animals for food (a food that animals also eat - should dogs and cats only be fed vegetarian foods?) to a guy luring an animal to a tortuous death and filming it for the lulz.

I don't get how it's hypocritical to find the latter more upsetting than the former - people can't help their emotional responses.

If the story was about a crocodile being tortured to death for the lulz, yeah I'd imagine people would be angered. Only thing is: a crocodile is more equipped to fight back than a kitten is.

Seems like fairly self-righteous arguing for the sake of it tbh. Well done though guys on your ability to be 100% consistent and not swayed in every thought and view you have.

Well thanks for that. I try to be as consistent as I can on things. I'm not comparing the feeding of a live kitten to the slaughter of animals for human consumption. I am however, making the pretty obvious comparison between that and feeding a live rat or mice to a snake. All three have pain receptors and capacity to feel fear and dread, yet because most people don't see the latter as furry and cute, they don't have a problem with them being fed live to snakes. They claim that it's cruel to feed the kitten to the snake because of the pain it feels, when in reality it's their own pain at seeing such a thing that really motivates them. Their reaction isn't to the plight of the animal per se, or else they'd be as vociferous in their protest against all live feedings, but rather motivated by more selfish concerns, ie how it makes them feel. I don't think that's very consistent, indeed I think it's completely hypocritical.

Dudess · 03-12-2011 05:22PM

A snake finding a mouse and guzzling it, a guy luring a kitten into the mouth of a snake = not the same thing.

A snake finding a kitten of its own volition and eating it - not pleasant for the kitten but no human cruelty and the snake merely following its instincts.

I don't understand what's so questionable about people saying this guy is a sadistic bastard...

Hellrazer · 03-12-2011 05:26PM

Einhard wrote: »

. Their reaction isn't to the plight of the animal per se, or else they'd be as vociferous in their protest against all live feedings,

Finally--Its the whole live feeding that I have the problem with--all live feeding no matter whether its a mouse or a kitten.

Dudess wrote: »

A snake finding a mouse and guzzling it, a guy luring a kitten into the mouth of a snake = not the same thing.

A snake finding a kitten of its own volition and eating it - not pleasant for the kitten but no human cruelty and the snake merely following its instincts.

This^^^^Complete difference in the wild than in captivity--in captivity there is a choice of whether to feed live or not regardless of the species of food prey I find live feeding horrific except in the one circumstance I posted above ie. in the case of a snake thats not eating.

I don't understand what's so questionable about people saying this guy is a sadistic bastard...

Completely agree-he is a sadistic bastard.

stupidusername · 03-12-2011 05:31PM

Dudess wrote: »

A snake finding a mouse and guzzling it, a guy luring a kitten into the mouth of a snake = not the same thing.

A snake finding a kitten of its own volition and eating it - not pleasant for the kitten but no human cruelty and the snake merely following its instincts.

I don't understand what's so questionable about people saying this guy is a sadistic bastard...

I dont get how you dont see they're the same thing.

If the cat and snake were roaming around the house freely and the snake ate it then,would that be acceptable to you?

YFlyer · 03-12-2011 05:33PM

harvester of sorrow wrote: »

I ate a pussy last night then i let my python at it....feckin great it was:pac::pac::pac:

Did you record it?

cassi · 03-12-2011 05:33PM

stupidusername wrote: »

Have you ever read or watched anything on animals and how they hunt? An animal killing another animal for food cannot be counted as torture. What the snake did was natural to him. The only thing unnatural about this is that a kitten wouldn't be part of its natural diet. What happened was essentially natural.only thing that makes this twisted is that someone is getting entertainment out of it. I do agree that the guy that allowed it happen and filmed it could potentially be a danger to other animals.

I agree that what the snake did was just what snakes do nobodys agruing that but what happened in the video wasn't natural.

The kitten was given to the snake and didn't have a fighting chance like it would, had this happened in the wild. It was infact distracted when its natural instincts hit in.

I agree with you in saying that the guy is a danger to other animals and people like this are potentially dangerous to other people too, I would also say he didn't just let this happen, he made it happen.

Dudess · 03-12-2011 05:35PM

Skulldigger wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Totally disingenuous to compare slaughter of animals for food (a food that animals also eat - should dogs and cats only be fed vegetarian foods?) to a guy luring an animal to a tortuous death and filming it for the lulz.

I don't get how it's hypocritical to find the latter more upsetting than the former - people can't help their emotional responses.

If the story was about a crocodile being tortured to death for the lulz, yeah I'd imagine people would be angered. Only thing is: a crocodile is more equipped to fight back than a kitten is.

Seems like fairly self-righteous arguing for the sake of it tbh. Well done though guys on your ability to be 100% consistent and not swayed in every thought and view you have.

The reason it made it into the paper is because it was a kitten. There's lots of almost identical videos but it's a chicken or a rat instead of a kitten. There were no articles about that, why? Because people simply aren't as disgusted by certain animals being killed for the lulz as they would be for a cute kitten.

You can't blame humans for a certain amount of conditioning affecting us. Cats are domestic pets, rats rarely are. Since the bubonic plague, rats have been feared - they're disease-carriers tbf. They're pests, and wanted rid of.
If the video posted here was a chicken or mouse being fed to a snake, there would be upset. But the video is of a kitten.

Killer Pigeon · 03-12-2011 05:36PM

Maybe the guy just wanted to give his snake a special Christmas gift (excuse any puns).

stupidusername · 03-12-2011 05:36PM

I would think this cruel if the cat wasn't allowed escape.otherwise no nothing different about it. Though the man being a part of it would make me hope he would be psychiatrically assessed.

Hellrazer · 03-12-2011 05:37PM

stupidusername wrote: »

If the cat and snake were roaming around the house freely and the snake ate it then,would that be acceptable to you?

Been there and done that.Lost(escaped on me) a largish python in the house and had to keep the cat and dog locked up until I found it

Dudess · 03-12-2011 05:40PM

stupidusername wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

A snake finding a mouse and guzzling it, a guy luring a kitten into the mouth of a snake = not the same thing.

A snake finding a kitten of its own volition and eating it - not pleasant for the kitten but no human cruelty and the snake merely following its instincts.

I don't understand what's so questionable about people saying this guy is a sadistic bastard...

I dont get how you dont see they're the same thing.

If the cat and snake were roaming around the house freely and the snake ate it then,would that be acceptable to you?

To say a snake finding a kitten, say, in the garden and eating it is the same thing as a human physically coaxing the kitten into the snake's mouth is... obtuse to say the least...

harvester of sorrow · 03-12-2011 05:40PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Did you record it?

Sure i did....its up on tube 8.....;)

nlgbbbblth · 03-12-2011 05:41PM

Disturbing stuff.

Gotta mention that the python is not exactly blameless either.

cassi · 03-12-2011 05:45PM

harvester of sorrow wrote: »

Sure i did....its up on tube 8.....;)

Do the decent thing and link it!!

44leto · 03-12-2011 05:48PM

I am utterly opposed to anyone being allowed to own an exotic pet which is not native to the land of the "pet" owner.

wandatowell · 03-12-2011 05:49PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I knew we'd be greeted with comments like this.

You think its ok for anyone to post a video on youtube of his pet burmese python killing a live kitten which are widely kept as pets in houses across the country.

The fact he brought the kitten into the bedroom in a christmas stocking shows the sick nature of this person.

If you think theses actions are perfectly ok, you my friend have issues.

I knew we'd be greeted with comments like this.

gufnork · 03-12-2011 05:53PM

What is the matter with u people? The question isn't whether it's natural for the animals to act the way they do, but rather why r some of u attempting to defend a sick bastard that gets his jollies from placing a little kitten in harms way purely for his own entertainment. Ultimately, those of u who r attempting to defend this arsehole need to take a good long look in the mirror and then when you've finished doing that, give yourselves a bloody good kick up the arse.

Wake up to yourselves(you know who u r)!

kylith · 03-12-2011 05:59PM

cassi wrote: »

SERIOUSLY!! Have you actually watched the video or read the article??!!

The difference and im talking in the case of the video he made not feeding in general, is that he used a PET kitten and not a wild rodent.

Do you really think that snake keepers go out and catch potentially disease-ridden wild rats? Of course they don't; they can buy live or frozen feeder rats which are bred and reared the same way as the rats people have as pets. Then they're taken out of their nice cosy terrarium, gassed and frozen.

He put the cat in a santa hat, put it on the bed where he had hidden the snake and then distracted the cat when it went into defensive mode after spotting the snake!! If you think thats the normal feeding habits of snake owners then you've just insulted alot of decent people.

He's tasteless, I won't claim otherwise, but would you be up in arms if it was a rat that he'd put on that bed? Would it be in the papers?

It had nothing to do with the snakes hunger or the amount of meat needed, he didnt for entertainment, its plain as day!

Do you have a cat? Does it catch mice and rats? Do you encourage it to do so? Are you happy when it does? Congratulations, you're a hell of a lot crueler than this guy; a snake will grab and squeeze, and the prey will be unconcious in a short period of time. The cute little pussy that everyone is so upset about would catch, toy with, maim, allow to escape, catch again, bat around the place, and generally torture any rat, mouse, bird, or squirrel that it could. Cats are a lot nastier than snakes.

Hellrazer wrote: »

Most responsible snake owners feed frozen/thawed and only frozen/thawed...idiots trying to show off feed live in order to provoke a reaction.

I don't keep snakes, so maybe someone who does can clarify, but AFAIK snakes have to be fed dead food from birth because otherwise they won't recognise it as food and just plain won't eat it.

Even if he was tight for cash the cheapest prey items start at a euro each--a large rabbit is only 4-5 euros over here so probably cheaper in the UK.

So would it have been ok if he'd wrung the cat's neck first? How is it ok to kill a rabbit and feed it to a snake but not a cat? How about the fact that he'd have to pay a fiver for a rabbit, but people give cats away for free? Maybe he's strapped for cash, or knows someone with unwanted kittens, and quick asphyxiation by a snake is better than slow drowning in a bucket.

And where do we stop? Is it cruel for people to feed live crickets to reptiles? Flies to frogs? My fish eats mosquito larvae; is that cruel?

And what the feck is all the hoo-ha about 'he put it in a Santa hat!' So fecking what! It's a red cone of fabric, you wouldn't be bitching if it was black, green or purple, so who cares if it was red? Certainly not the snake or the cat.

Stinicker · 03-12-2011 05:59PM

44leto wrote: »

I am utterly opposed to anyone being allowed to own an exotic pet which is not native to the land of the "pet" owner.

Maybe the woman behind the video is Burmese? (It was a woman from the sun site!)

Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

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