Racism

scatter · 26-11-2011 04:13PM #1

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Snowie · 26-11-2011 04:14PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I dunno I've got a white sheet over my head

Kasabian · 26-11-2011 04:14PM

OP you have no idea what racism is.

ejmaztec · 26-11-2011 04:14PM

Yes and no.

cornbb · 26-11-2011 04:15PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

No.

scatter · 26-11-2011 04:15PM

Kasabian wrote: »

OP you have no idea what racism is.

Why dont i ?

mickrock · 26-11-2011 04:16PM

I've lost my racism card.

Where do I get another one?

Chuck Stone · 26-11-2011 04:18PM

I have a deck of racism cards with which I play poker with my black friend.

ojola · 26-11-2011 04:21PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Sorry I don't understand your question. Could you clarify please... Also what is the purpose of your question? what are u trying to achieve.

Ellis Dee · 26-11-2011 04:22PM

Dunno about racism, but I reckon it's pure unadulterated ageism when no one will send me a PM explaining in simple terms that even a doddering aul' fool like me can understand how to embed a YouTube video.:rolleyes:

This is one very relevant to the theme of the thread::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

Kasabian · 26-11-2011 04:24PM

scatter wrote: »

Why dont i ?

I don't know. Poorly educated maybe?

Einhard · 26-11-2011 04:25PM

I think that, too often, people impute a racist motivation when there may not be one. The incident during the week where the black girl was raped is a good example. Nothing at all to suggest that race was a factor, and yet that's how it was reported in some outlets. Beyond such incidents, I think people are confused as to the term racism itself. The statement of the mayor of Naas during the week was appalling, but did it amount to racism? Yes, he was unfairly tarring a group of people of the same colour/ethnicity, but was he doing because he hated people of that ethnicity, or felt superior to them? I don't really think so. So yeah, I do think racism is invoked to frivolously. last night, for example, there was a piece on RTE about racism towards taxi drivers, and it focused on the deadly assault on a Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin this week. Yet the same report acknowledged that there was no suggestion that race was a factor. Why raise it then, as though it were a factor?

The real problem is that words like racism and genocide should have the power to shock and stop people in their tracks. When we use them in a flippant manner, they gradually lose that ability so that genuine acts of both become conflated with exaggerated reports, and people begin to take them less seriously.

mikom · 26-11-2011 04:26PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played

Cletus?

Logical Fallacy · 26-11-2011 04:30PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

No it does not be.

John Doe1 · 26-11-2011 04:30PM

I played my racism card to get into my college library didnt bloody work i blame the immigrants

Oranage2 · 26-11-2011 04:30PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I'd fall into 2 of the categories above and I never play the race card

ojola · 26-11-2011 04:31PM

Einhard wrote: »

I think that, too often, people impute a racist motivation when there may not be one. The incident during the week where the black girl was raped is a good example. Nothing at all to suggest that race was a factor, and yet that's how it was reported in some outlets. Beyond such incidents, I think people are confused as to the term racism itself. The statement of the mayor of Naas during the week was appalling, but did it amount to racism? Yes, he was unfairly tarring a group of people of the same colour/ethnicity, but was he doing because he hated people of that ethnicity, or felt superior to them? I don't really think so. So yeah, I do think racism is invoked to frivolously. last night, for example, there was a piece on RTE about racism towards taxi drivers, and it focused on the deadly assault on a Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin this week. Yet the same report acknowledged that there was no suggestion that race was a factor. Why raise it then, as though it were a factor?

The real problem is that words like racism and genocide should have the power to shock and stop people in their tracks. When we use them in a flippant manner, they gradually lose that ability so that genuine acts of both become conflated with exaggerated reports, and people begin to take them less seriously.

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

Dudess · 26-11-2011 04:32PM

In fairness, yeah it can be - resulting in actual racism not being taken as seriously.

ojola · 26-11-2011 04:32PM

Can we differentiate between racism and ethnic profilling please....

Dudess · 26-11-2011 04:33PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I'd fall into 2 of the categories above and I never play the race card

Muslim traveller?

Kasabian · 26-11-2011 04:34PM

Dudess wrote: »

Muslim traveller?

We exist.

Pherekydes · 26-11-2011 04:38PM

Damn white Irish driver just cut me up! :mad:

ojola · 26-11-2011 04:39PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Damn white Irish driver just cut me up! :mad:

how do you know he is Irish? his number plates or his looks?

The King of Moo · 26-11-2011 04:42PM

No OP, obviously it's not played in every situation where someone who basically isn't white and "Western" wants something, though of course it is played in a minority of cases.

It seems a strange question to ask really: how can anyone answer for every case?

ojola · 26-11-2011 04:43PM

ojola wrote: »

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

No answer?

Oranage2 · 26-11-2011 04:45PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Dunno about racism, but I reckon it's pure unadulterated ageism when no one will send me a PM explaining in simple terms that even a doddering aul' fool like me can understand how to embed a YouTube video.:rolleyes:

This is one very relevant to the theme of the thread::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

LOL took me about 1000 posts to figure it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

So paste after the = sign

CgASBVMyVFI

(youtube)CgASBVMyVFI(/youtube)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

Paparazzo · 26-11-2011 04:45PM

Is this not the most obvious answer ever?

Does the racism card get played sometimes: Of course
Is it played every time? Of course not.

Einhard · 26-11-2011 04:49PM

ojola wrote: »

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

I haven't a clue. I'm sure it happens quite a lot but my point wasn't about racism against taxi drivers in general, but rather RTE insinuating that an incident was racist when that was not the case.

Also, I'm not sure that all the behaviour you mention above necessarily constitutes racism. Of course, there are neanderthals who judge people as inferior based on ethnicity or skin colour, but there are other motivations behind such despicable actions. For example, I've found myself that foreign taxi drivers often have less of a knowledge of Dublin than Irish ones. Also, many people resent the fact that, as they see it, foreigners are taking Irish jobs, and I imagine that motivates a lot of what you described above. But that is not racism. It's idiotic IMO, but not racism.

I'm not stating that racism never occurs, but that quite often we attribute racist intent to people whose motivations lie elsewhere.

ojola wrote: »

No answer?

Didn't think it'd be wise to take my laptop into the shower with me tbh.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-11-2011 04:54PM

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

In my experience, yes a lot of times it is.

I posted about this more than once... Again speaking from experience, if I stop a black African at the door of a pub or club the race card is immediately thrown at me, and quite aggressively too - its a minefield and I'm very careful of my actions and what I say.

Member's of the travelling community will play it too, I'm 50/50 on this one.

Whilst I know they can be troublesome, personally speaking (again) I've only been in one row with traveler's in a bar and it was caused by a DJ making a stupid joke about traveler's.

Another minority I'd regularly have dealings with are Roma gypsy, who I've NEVER seen play the race card - if their told to stop selling rose's or begging around a pub/club door they'll leave and won't cause trouble.

Same as you get the Roma trying to come in dressed in suits, or as a couple - they know that we know what their game is and a nod or a simple 'no' and they'll leave so as not to draw attention to themselves.

There ya go OP, is that what you want?.

Sonics2k · 26-11-2011 04:55PM

ojola wrote: »

how do you know he is Irish? his number plates or his looks?

He was eating spuds and drinking a Guinness! :pac:

scatter · 26-11-2011 04:56PM

Kasabian wrote: »

I don't know. Poorly educated maybe?

silly person

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