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He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    It's the most stupid of allowances. It should come in the form of a tax credit.

    what about the people who do not work? people on the dole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    daltonmd wrote: »
    "I think you scrap it for everybody...You need to channel children's allowance (to those who need it) through income support schemes, where you're trying to channel money to those on very low incomes," he said.

    Give to those who need it and take it from those who don't.

    Nothing wrong with that...

    He's just re-hashed something everyone else agrees with, but sensationalized it to gain publicity. He knew exactly what he was doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    Bluefox21 wrote: »
    Which is also going to ensure the stability of 500 jobs in the Knock region. Don't understand all the hatred towards Ryanair and O'Leary. Without him we'd all be paying extortionate prices with Aer Lingus.


    Don't think the point Frada is making is about hatred, it's about how the clever use of marketing MO'L is using, by attaching his opinion of a crucial, current event will draw free advertising to his business plan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭wicklowdub


    Not that his opinion matters a jot more than anyone else's but it always amazes me that he comes out with this rubbish when he is lauching a new destination. Same as Roy Keane when he is in town for the guide dogs, at least that is not self promotion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    If you can't afford to raise a child, don't have them. :confused:

    Most of us could afford them when we had them prior to 2008, it's only now where middle Ireland is being squeezed that it's becoming an issue. In 2007 I could have done without the childrens allowance, in 2011 if it was taken away it would have a drastic effect on the family circumstances.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Most of us could afford them when we had them prior to 2008, it's only now where middle Ireland is being squeezed that it's becoming an issue. In 2007 I could have done without the childrens allowance, in 2011 if it was taken away it would have a drastic effect on the family circumstances.


    I suppose you can't give them back. They are still your responsibility not the tax payers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭daltonmd


    Abi wrote: »
    He's just re-hashed something everyone else agrees with, but sensationalized it to gain publicity. He knew exactly what he was doing.

    I don't think so. Some people here are playing the man not the ball. It's not what was said, but who said it!!

    It should be scrapped and in it's place there should be tax credits for low earners and means tested for social Welfare recipients.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    In our case, there was an office on the maternity ward of the hospital (Mullingar) to which you could register the birth on the spot without having to go to the SW office. The person handling the registration then took a copy of the cert as soon as she's done the formalities and sent it on to the relevant SW section.

    But you still have to sign the "application form child benefit" form, right?

    Register junior, get a birth cert and bung the baby in the bentley. And take the bypass around SW (less traffic).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    hondasam wrote: »
    what about the people who do not work? people on the dole.


    They would get it through the social welfare system.
    It should not be a blanket allowance.

    Means test or (more affordabley to the state) tax credit is the way to go. Millions would be saved every year if it wasn't given to the parents of children who didn't really need it. It should be a necessity and not a luxury.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    They should give an allowance for NOT having kids.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Bluefox21 wrote: »
    Which is also going to ensure the stability of 500 jobs in the Knock region. Don't understand all the hatred towards Ryanair and O'Leary. Without him we'd all be paying extortionate prices with Aer Lingus.
    Ah come on. How could you be so obtuse? I'm not criticising O'Leary or Ryanair. I'm merely pointing out that he often makes controversial statements whenever Ryanair make an announcement to get the airline in the papers. He's playing you all for fools with this tactic and you fall for it every time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    They would get it through the social welfare system.
    It should not be a blanket allowance.

    Means test or (more affordabley to the state) tax credit is the way to go. Millions would be saved every year if it wasn't given to the parents of children who didn't really need it. It should be a necessity and not a luxury.

    Apparently there's no linkup between the computer systems of Revenue and DSP, hence why no means testing can be introduced.

    But there's a whole other days rant in that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    But you still have to sign the "application form child benefit" form, right?

    Register junior, get a birth cert and bung the baby in the bentley. And take the bypass around SW (less traffic).

    I assume my wife signed the confirmation form.

    And as you can see from my sig, it's a 12 year old VW Golf, not a Bentley :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Everyone's on about means testing...any idea how much such system cost? The current means tests for SW payments and medical cards can't cope as it is and the PS are being downsized not increased.

    Tax credits for the working and extra payment per child on weekly SW payments for those who are not. It's pretty simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Apparently there's no linkup between the computer systems of Revenue and DSP, hence why no means testing can be introduced.

    But there's a whole other days rant in that...

    On that note, lets not be to too quick to have a link up system, esp to Revenue :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Storminateacup


    I think it's pathetic - to the guy who wrote the novel. I have a child, I work my ass off. Infact, I was labelled a bad mother on this very forum, for leaving her to go to work. Lol. A bad mother because I work to feed, clothe and put a roof over her head. Instead of sitting back expecting the government to hand me taxpayers money.

    She is my child. My responsiblilty. If I couldn't have afforded her, I wouldn't have had her.

    And don't even get me started on what most parents spend their childrens allowance on. Their children? Oh puh-lease.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    You don't know how much it costs to raise a child, do you?

    I don't know how much it is but I know I can't afford it which is why I don't have any.

    Myself and my wife are both working full time and we can't afford to have kids so why should our taxes go to supplement the lifestyles of those who have them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    I assume my wife signed the confirmation form.

    And as you can see from my sig, it's a 12 year old VW Golf, not a Bentley :D

    Ah for forks sake, I thought you were michael o'leary in disguise :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    If you can't afford to raise a child, don't have them. :confused:

    what a moronic post :eek:
    so someone who was working and could afford to raise the children find themselves laid off and unable to now finance the up keep of their children
    so starve because you think they should not get the allowance ???

    you a posting sh1t - sure there are thoughtless parents spending the children's allowance on drugs and booze - but the VAST MAJORITY dont

    fine take away the allowance - to appease idiots who dont understand how badly this is needed by most of the family's receive it
    and in its place the government will have to fund creche and childcare , clothing - food - and other supports that the majority of civilized western nations provide

    obviously your parents could afford to have children and handed the payment they received back to the state coffers - seeing they did not need it
    mindless - dumb as rocks statement

    means test is the ONLY fair solution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Originally Posted by Stocking Drinks Whiskey viewpost.gif
    You don't know how much it costs to raise a child, do you?
    Obviously he does as he has 4 of them?

    Yeh, but how many has he raised? ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Storminateacup


    The social welfare/childrens allowance should be given in the form of food stamps/clothes stamps. Like in America, there are certain things you can't purchase on their social welfare. Be less of it drank and smoked then, yeah?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Apparently there's no linkup between the computer systems of Revenue and DSP, hence why no means testing can be introduced.

    But there's a whole other days rant in that...

    Incredible isn't it. In this day and age and two vital computer systems for the expenses of the country speak different languages. The crazy thing is reveneue and DSP both use PPS numbers as identifiers...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    what a moronic post :eek:
    so someone who was working and could afford to raise the children find themselves laid off and unable to now finance the up keep of their children
    so starve because you think they should not get the allowance ???

    you a posting sh1t - sure there are thoughtless parents spending the children's allowance on drugs and booze - but the VAST MAJORITY dont

    fine take away the allowance - to appease idiots who dont understand how badly this is needed by most of the family's receive it
    and in its place the government will have to fund creche and childcare , clothing - food - and other supports that the majority of civilized western nations provide

    obviously your parents could afford to have children and handed the payment they received back to the state coffers - seeing they did not need it

    another childless - mindless - young and dumb as rocks statement

    means test is the ONLY fair solution

    Just sell the kid of eba(b)y.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    I have a child, I work my ass off.
    Good, nobody likes seeing the extra baby weight on a woman for too long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    They would get it through the social welfare system.
    It should not be a blanket allowance.

    Means test or (more affordabley to the state) tax credit is the way to go. Millions would be saved every year if it wasn't given to the parents of children who didn't really need it. It should be a necessity and not a luxury.

    Which parent would get the tax credit? I know you will probably laugh but I'm serious,it would be a problem for some.
    There would be a lot of work involved in doing it this way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    I'm tired of these motherfucking suckers on this mother****ing plane/thread!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The social welfare/childrens allowance should be given in the form of food stamps/clothes stamps. Like in America, there are certain things you can't purchase on their social welfare. Be less of it drank and smoked then, yeah?

    So, just because some people spend their money foolishly; everyone should have a great degree of their personal liberties revoked? Maybe you should ask your boss to pay you in food stamps too.. ya know.. just in case.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    he's right.

    I'd also scrap single mothers allowance, for any single mother not living alone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Storminateacup


    URL - you see, the difference between my wages and the childrens allowance is I get off my ass for my wages jnstead of staying on my back for childrens allowance.

    It should not be something you're entitled to. Personal liberty to spend other peoples money? Are you serious?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    hondasam wrote: »
    Which parent would get the tax credit? I know you will probably laugh but I'm serious,it would be a problem for some.
    There would be a lot of work involved in doing it this way.


    No where near as half as what it will cost in the very long run.

    If one parent is working and sole carer of child, they would benefit from it. If both parents were primary carer it would be shared or claimed by highest earner.


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