Pronounciation

HugoBradyBrown · 10-11-2011 09:12PM

Richard wrote: »

There's also Magdalen - it's "Magdalen" for the order of nuns, but "Maudlin" for the Oxford college, isn't it?

And, to make it even more confusing, the Cambridge college of the same pronounces the word Magdalene! (Just over the bridge on the right, the one with the Pepys Library. And brains were neither here nor there for admissions in my time. I remember thrashing them on the river, while I was in St Johns, that hive of intellectual and musical activity! Ah, happy days! What exactly did they do in Magdalene, except cultivate their windowboxes over the river? Nobody ever wrote a book.)

Hugo Brady Brown

PaulKK · 10-11-2011 09:36PM

Full.Duck wrote: »

Thats the correct way to to pronounce them.

Boo - k

Not Buck.

No its not.

Do you say luke for look, two-k for took?

Its luck for look, buck for book, tuck for took, huck for hook.

Learn to speak people.

Paddy_Smith · 10-11-2011 09:57PM

PaulKK wrote: »

No its not.

Do you say luke for look, two-k for took?

Its luck for look, buck for book, tuck for took, huck for hook.

Learn to speak people.

There's certainly nothing wrong with them two pronunciations(Boo-k and Coo-k) where I'm from.

Pherekydes · 10-11-2011 09:59PM

PaulKK wrote: »

No its not.

Do you say luke for look, two-k for took?

Its luck for look, buck for book, tuck for took, huck for hook.

Learn to speak people.

Good stuff. Now do these:

Though
Bough
Cough
Lough
Tough

My point is that English doesn't have a consistent system for the pronunciation of vowels, combinations of vowels or consonants.

Yakuza · 10-11-2011 10:08PM

FruitLover wrote: »

Not as bad as 'dunkey' (instead of 'donkey')

"Dunkey" is an abomination, but here's the thing - pronounce "monkey"

HugoBradyBrown · 10-11-2011 10:12PM

Yakuza wrote: »

"Dunkey" is an abomination, but here's the thing - pronounce "monkey"

People of a certain age generally avoid that coy barbarism 'donkey' and always call the animal what it is called in the Bible, an ass. Before the first Easter, Jesus, we know, went into Jerusalem on an ass; if it was good enough for Jesus ....

Hugo Brady Brown

HugoBradyBrown · 10-11-2011 10:13PM

Wikipedia has an interesting article on the topic underlying this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_orthography

Hugo Brady Brown

Achtung! Bono · 10-11-2011 10:44PM

Trevor Kent wrote: »

"Specific"

Its not bloody "PACIFIC" which I hear all the time, even on the telly.

EDIT: Just seen Charlietheminxx post the same above.

Have you got any 'Pacific titistics' to back that up?

10-11-2011 10:50PM

Shivers26 wrote: »

Let me have husbag, I get fed up saying OH and we're not married yet.

At least I didn't say DP, DF, DH or similar

I'd never heard it before, i thought it might be some little funny joke and i was curious :pac:

Achtung! Bono · 10-11-2011 10:55PM

HugoBradyBrown wrote: »

And, to make it even more confusing, the Cambridge college of the same pronounces the word Magdalene! (Just over the bridge on the right, the one with the Pepys Library. And brains were neither here nor there for admissions in my time. I remember thrashing them on the river, while I was in St Johns, that hive of intellectual and musical activity! Ah, happy days! What exactly did they do in Magdalene, except cultivate their windowboxes over the river? Nobody ever wrote a book.)

Hugo Brady Brown

Must be just me but why do i keep reading your posts in my head with the voice of Brian Sewell?

HugoBradyBrown · 10-11-2011 11:11PM

Achtung! Bono wrote: »

Must be just me but why do i keep reading your posts in my head with the voice of Brian Sewell?

Did you find yourself in his shadow at some stage? A fate worst than Twink, I should say!

Hugo Brady Brown

drumlover22 · 10-11-2011 11:17PM

How would people here pronounce the name Ronan? I'd pronounce it Ro-nin but I heard somebody say Ro-non and it sounded really weird to me.

HugoBradyBrown · 10-11-2011 11:18PM

drumlover22 wrote: »

How would people here pronounce the name Ronan? I'd pronounce it Ro-nin but I heard somebody say Ro-non and it sounded really weird to me.

Ah, now the mysteries of the Irish language as well!

Hugo Brady Brown

sophieblake · 11-11-2011 12:37AM

HugoBradyBrown wrote: »

Ah, now the mysteries of the Irish language as well!

Hugo Brady Brown

Does Hugo Brady Brown dislike the Irish language

HugoBradyBrown · 11-11-2011 12:48AM

sophieblake wrote: »

Does Hugo Brady Brown dislike the Irish language

No, I can assure sophieblake that Hugo Brady Brown does not dislike the Irish language. He was merely adverting to the fact that what had appeared to be a discussion about an aspect of the lingua franca of this country seemed to be encroaching into other territory. As a trained linguist and a fluent speaker of the Irish language, I am not likely to dislike a language, no more than one would sensible dislike any phenomenon that did no harm and at least some good. It would be like disliking clouds or rosebushes or cold water.

Hugo Brady Brown

ff9999 · 11-11-2011 12:53AM

cadbury creme egg

HugoBradyBrown · 11-11-2011 01:00AM

ff9999 wrote: »

cadbury creme egg

And now French!

Hugo Brady Brown

Pherekydes · 11-11-2011 01:10AM

HugoBradyBrown wrote: »

As a trained linguist and a fluent speaker of the Irish language...

But yet HugoBradyBrown called it 'Gaelic'. If HugoBradyBrown was a fluent Irish speaker HugoBradyBrown would know it was referred to as Gaeilge.

HugoBradyBrown · 11-11-2011 01:15AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

But yet HugoBradyBrown called it 'Gaelic'. If HugoBradyBrown was a fluent Irish speaker HugoBradyBrown would know it was referred to as Gaeilge.

Yes, he would, I suppose, if his Gaelic came from a particular part of the country and if he were speaking that language. Since his Gaelic comes from another region of the country, he calls the language something else when speaking Gaelic. However, since he was writing in English, he chose to write in English. If I see him, I'll make sure to ask him why.

Hugo Brady Brown

Pherekydes · 11-11-2011 01:20AM

HugoBradyBrown wrote: »

However, since he was writing in English, he chose to write in English.

Wouldn't that just be Irish?

pbowenroe · 11-11-2011 01:20AM

good man hugo.

anyway, one that pisses me off i fun-ral or fun-erl instead of fun-er-al

HugoBradyBrown · 11-11-2011 01:27AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Wouldn't that just be Irish?

From a theoretical perspective, I have a reluctance to apply the name 'Irish' to the language, other than in the most informal settings, since the substantive is perhaps now more usefully applied, analogously with Scots, to the variety of English spoken in Ireland, and it is frequently understood as that by professional linguists in other countries. Hiberno-English and Irish-English, for the natural language of the people, are both unsatisfactory and unwieldy terms, and the tendency in scholarly literature in recent times to describe this language as 'Irish' means that there is an ineluctable trend towards using either Gaelic or Erse when writing in English about the aboriginal language of parts of the island. Since Erse is wrongly considered by some to be pejorative, we tend to plump for Gaelic, which causes no offense and yet is crystal clear to all. (David Crystal clear, as the old jest has it!)

Hugo Brady Brown

John Doe1 · 11-11-2011 01:51AM

Hugo I keep forgetting whats your full name again?:D

Johro · 11-11-2011 02:24AM

Veh-hickle.

LordSutch · 11-11-2011 10:25PM

Richard wrote: »

There's also Magdalen - it's "Magdalen" for the order of nuns, but "Maudlin" for the Oxford college, isn't it?

Correct.

HugoBradyBrown · 11-11-2011 10:33PM

Omni Park as Ominny Park

Firhouse as Furhouse

AhSureTisGrand · 11-11-2011 10:35PM

Don't stop signing off! That could be your thing, like Pighead referring to himself in the third person. Sort of

FruitLover · 11-11-2011 10:38PM

Paddy_Smith wrote: »

There's certainly nothing wrong with them two pronunciations(Boo-k and Coo-k) where I'm from.

Given your grammar skills and pronunciation, I'm guessing... bogland?

drumlover22 wrote: »

but I heard somebody say Ro-non and it sounded really weird to me.

There's the Irish name 'Rónán' (which is presumably the original name from whence 'Ronan' came), that might be why.

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Don't stop signing off! That could be your thing, like Pighead referring to himself in the third person. Sort of

It's a bit sad when he's got his name at the side of his post, and again at the bottom, and yet again in his sig. Smacks of attention-seeking (and is hardly original; there is no shortage of people on these boards who seem to feel the need to manually type out their username again at the end of their posts).

whatlliwear · 12-11-2011 12:22AM

I know a girl that says "Don't you nenember" instead of "Don't you remember".
Everytime I hear it I want to scream!

Pherekydes · 12-11-2011 12:48AM

HugoBradyBrown wrote: »

From a theoretical perspective, I have a reluctance to apply the name 'Irish' to the language, other than in the most informal settings, since the substantive is perhaps now more usefully applied, analogously with Scots, to the variety of English spoken in Ireland, and it is frequently understood as that by professional linguists in other countries. Hiberno-English and Irish-English, for the natural language of the people, are both unsatisfactory and unwieldy terms, and the tendency in scholarly literature in recent times to describe this language as 'Irish' means that there is an ineluctable trend towards using either Gaelic or Erse when writing in English about the aboriginal language of parts of the island. Since Erse is wrongly considered by some to be pejorative, we tend to plump for Gaelic, which causes no offense and yet is crystal clear to all. (David Crystal clear, as the old jest has it!)

Hugo Brady Brown

Am I the only one starting to get pissed off with

Hugo Brady Brown

That's very interesting, Hugo Brady Brown, but wrong. Gaelic won't do. It has to be Gaeilge.

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