Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Super-Rush · 10-11-2011 10:13PM

opr wrote: »

Is Kelly playing CB ?

Flanagan, Morgan, Coady and Andre Wisdom all started for England U19's tonight!

Opr

Yes. Won a tackle on the halfway line then another and ran half the length of the field before smashing it home.

Henderson is playing CM.

daithijjj · 10-11-2011 10:23PM

He has always played centre mid for them afaik. The whole right side midfield tag he got at Sunderland was just a case of a young player coming through and Bruce dovetailing the position between him and Elmohamady last year. Bruce told Capello not to play him as holding mid as he is a box to box centre mid.

This whole right winger role ...............well, ive said enough about it in the past.

YouTookMyName · 10-11-2011 11:05PM

super-rush wrote: »

Yes. Won a tackle on the halfway line then another and ran half the length of the field before smashing it home.

Henderson is playing CM.

Kelly is boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG3Xo3YJaqY

10-11-2011 11:21PM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Kelly is boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG3Xo3YJaqY

That was pure quality from Kelly.

YouTookMyName · 10-11-2011 11:33PM

I think he's be a going to be a cracking centre half for us, we would actually be able to play a high line because he has pace and he's aggressive.

mike65 · 11-11-2011 12:02AM

We all dream of a team of Martin Kellys

D'Agger · 11-11-2011 02:12AM

He's a tank and better still, looks like he could be a leader in the team

11-11-2011 08:50AM

PaulieC wrote: »

He's a tank and better still, looks like he could be a leader in the team

He'd be in my starting XI everytime tbh.

Phoenix Park · 11-11-2011 08:59AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He'd be in my starting XI everytime tbh.

Where though.. why not give him a run now alongside a fit Agger. Some players only need a few games to be comfortable at centre half..others a couple of seasons. I know RB is still a more likely position for the foreseeable future but i'd like to see him play 5 or 6 in a row alongside (a hopefully fit) Agger and see how he gets rather than bringing Carra back in. Although maybe not for the City game.

Cartman78 · 11-11-2011 10:07AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He'd be in my starting XI everytime tbh.

Deffo, would have him ahead of Johnson every day of the week.

Carroll, Henderson and Downing are getting a huge amount of stick from all angles. Yet Johnson seems to be immune from any criticism whatsover despite being over-priced, over-rated and generally looking and acting like he couldn't be arsed

opr · 11-11-2011 10:07AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmfrpJOaO-U

Opr

ilovelamp2000 · 11-11-2011 12:46PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Deffo, would have him ahead of Johnson every day of the week.

Carroll, Henderson and Downing are getting a huge amount of stick from all angles. Yet Johnson seems to be immune from any criticism whatsover despite being over-priced, over-rated and generally looking and acting like he couldn't be arsed

Johnson looks a bit overweight too

11-11-2011 12:47PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Deffo, would have him ahead of Johnson every day of the week.

Carroll, Henderson and Downing are getting a huge amount of stick from all angles. Yet Johnson seems to be immune from any criticism whatsover despite being over-priced, over-rated and generally looking and acting like he couldn't be arsed

I think Johnson has done ok under Kenny though tbh.

I also think he works best with Kuyt in front of him as he gets more cover.

Defensively, I'd go with Kelly over him though, 100%.

It's not an area we are struggling with and neither is LB which is great. We had a serious problem with fullbacks for a long while under Rafa etc.

11-11-2011 01:13PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think Johnson has done ok under Kenny though tbh.

I also think he works best with Kuyt in front of him as he gets more cover.

Defensively, I'd go with Kelly over him though, 100%.

It's not an area we are struggling with and neither is LB which is great. We had a serious problem with fullbacks for a long while under Rafa etc.

He was very unlucky not to win the game for us the last day too with that volley.

I was at the game looking right down his wing in the first half half and in fairness he got forward a lot and had to do most of it himself as Henderson was drifting inside so much.

Cartman78 · 11-11-2011 01:21PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think Johnson has done ok under Kenny though tbh.

I also think he works best with Kuyt in front of him as he gets more cover.

Defensively, I'd go with Kelly over him though, 100%.

It's not an area we are struggling with and neither is LB which is great. We had a serious problem with fullbacks for a long while under Rafa etc.

He's been ok but his development seems to have stalled big time.

When he joined I think it was generally accepted that he was savage going forward but dodgy defensively. Now, he doesn't seem to get forward at all and there's still question marks over his defensive capabilities.

Henderson and Carragher have got a lot of criticism for our weakness on the right but Johnson should surely be taking some of the blame too(?)

NabyLadistheman · 11-11-2011 01:21PM

Johnson was brilliant at left back for last season when we needed him. Don't recall him doing too much wrong since he came back from injury this season either.

D'Agger · 11-11-2011 01:23PM

I'd like to see Kelly given a chance at CB tbh leave Johnson on the right - he's done fine so far this season, considering the injuries he's had.

The only problem I have with GJ is that sometimes he appears completely brainless on the ball sometimes and takes the wrong option, on top of that his crossing could do with some work imo

Tusky · 11-11-2011 01:24PM

I don't think Johnson is nearly as defensively weak as people make out. I think he would look a lot better if we had a quality winger/right sided attacker playing in front of him to link up with - something he has never had.

ilovelamp2000 · 11-11-2011 01:35PM

Tusky wrote: »

I don't think Johnson is nearly as defensively weak as people make out. I think he would look a lot better if we had a quality winger/right sided attacker playing in front of him to link up with - something he has never had.

If we played an attacking right winger in front of Johnson he wouldn't look any better defensively.

He rarely stops a cross from coming in, is routinely out of position and doesn't offer enough going forward to make up for his inability to defend well.

He's one of the most overrated players we've had recently.

tok9 · 11-11-2011 01:39PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

If we played an attacking right winger in front of Johnson he wouldn't look any better defensively.

He rarely stops a cross from coming in, is routinely out of position and doesn't offer enough going forward to make up for his inability to defend well.

He's one of the most overrated players we've had recently.

A player who isn't rated can't be overrated. I have never seen anyone here in the last year say that Johnson is excellent.

I think he's a good player and would also like to see Kelly CB. The worst part is that both Kelly and Johnson seem to be injury prone!

ilovelamp2000 · 11-11-2011 01:44PM

tok9 wrote: »

A player who isn't rated can't be overrated. I have never seen anyone here in the last year say that Johnson is excellent.

I think he's a good player and would also like to see Kelly CB. The worst part is that both Kelly and Johnson seem to be injury prone!

I think saying Johnson is a good fullback is overrating him.

He's a good footballer but he's never been a good fullback.

Tusky · 11-11-2011 01:45PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

If we played an attacking right winger in front of Johnson he wouldn't look any better defensively.

I was talking about going forward.

He rarely stops a cross from coming in

Not true.

tok9 · 11-11-2011 01:47PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I think saying Johnson is a good fullback is overrating him.

He's a good footballer but he's never been a good fullback.

Your being extremely harsh on him imo.

livinginkorea · 11-11-2011 01:56PM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/982424/barcelona-midfielder-seydou-keita-flattered-by-liverpool-talk?cc=4716

Keita considers his options
November 11, 2011
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Barcelona midfielder Seydou Keita says it is "fantastic" to be linked with a move to Liverpool, but he will not take any decision on his future until the end of the season.

Seydou Keita will not make any decisions on his future until the end of the season
• Suarez eyes extended stay
• Eriksen in dark over Barca interest

El Mundo Deportivo recently reported that Liverpool had made contact with Barca over a January move for Keita, while Russian club Anzhi Makhachkala are also said to be keen.

Mali international Keita, 31, says he is flattered by the interest and would relish the chance to play in the Premier League but, as he remains happy with life at the Camp Nou, he will leave any decision until the summer.

"Liverpool is a great club - it is fantastic to hear that they are interested in me - but you know how I feel about Barcelona," he told skysports.com. "However, we are in football and nothing is an absolute, so let's wait until the end of the season.

"I want to play more games than last season. Playing regularly in a winning team is very good for the player, but the Premier League is very attractive and exciting for any player. My contract runs until 2014 - at the end of the season we will see."

Keita has made 16 appearances for Barcelona across all competitions so far this season.

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Not even the silly season yet!

mike65 · 11-11-2011 02:14PM

31? Seems unlikely what type of MF is he?

livinginkorea · 11-11-2011 02:17PM

mike65 wrote: »

31? Seems unlikely what type of MF is he?

Seriously hope you're not asking me that! My football knowledge outside of Liverpool is limited :P

I know there maybe a team nearby but not sure

Sir Gallagher · 11-11-2011 02:25PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Deffo, would have him ahead of Johnson every day of the week.

Carroll, Henderson and Downing are getting a huge amount of stick from all angles. Yet Johnson seems to be immune from any criticism whatsover despite being over-priced, over-rated and generally looking and acting like he couldn't be arsed

And after Johnson who can we pick on for no good reason then?

Kess73 · 11-11-2011 02:37PM

mike65 wrote: »

31? Seems unlikely what type of MF is he?

He turns 32 next summer. Good player but no thanks. There are younger players who can do the job better than him and who would probably cost less in wages as well.

He is a bit of an old fashioned central midfield player. He can play in the defensive midfield role very well, but is also good enough to join in on attacks and is pretty much an all rounder in the centre.

Give me Yann M'Vila, Moussa Sissoko, Gary Medal, or Javi Martinez over him.

D'Agger · 11-11-2011 02:42PM

Kess73 wrote: »

He turns 32 next summer. Good player but no thanks. There are younger players who can do the job better than him and who would probably cost less in wages as well.

He is a bit of an old fashioned central midfield player. He can play in the defensive midfield role very well, but is also good enough to join in on attacks and is pretty much an all rounder in the centre.

Give me Yann M'Vila, Moussa Sissoko, Gary Medal, or Javi Martinez over him.

Martinez would be the perfect midfielder for us but we'll never get him

Dreams of a pipe nature me thinks with the price he'll command

YouTookMyName · 11-11-2011 02:44PM

Kess73 wrote: »

He turns 32 next summer. Good player but no thanks. There are younger players who can do the job better than him and who would probably cost less in wages as well.

He is a bit of an old fashioned central midfield player. He can play in the defensive midfield role very well, but is also good enough to join in on attacks and is pretty much an all rounder in the centre.

Give me Yann M'Vila, Moussa Sissoko, Gary Medal, or Javi Martinez over him.

Sounds like a man who could win us trophies.

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