United Ireland

getz · 09-11-2011 08:17AM

the vote for a united ireland,will not be on catholic/protestant or british/irish agenda,it will be on the NHS and goverment jobs plus hand outs,people will always vote for their own economic circumstances,that is why tens of thousands of irishmen and women are going to work in the UK every year ,on top of that ireland cannot afford to take on the north for a least another two generations,[thats how long its going to take to pay off her EU bailout ]

Sunnyisland · 09-11-2011 08:23AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

100% agree. The Republic would only be causing problems for themselves and it would just kick it all off again.

Is that because you don't really accept the GFA ? You accept it now because it suits your agenda but when that reverses it goes out the window ?

KeithAFC · 09-11-2011 08:27AM

realies wrote: »

Is that because you don't really accept the GFA ? You accept it now because it suits your agenda but when that reverses it goes out the window ?

Nope. You still have dissidents around and not all paramilitary groups are gone. You will always have resistance of some kind.

gurramok · 09-11-2011 10:12AM

The Scientician wrote: »

I wouldn't say never but it'll be a lifetime or more if it ever happens. Northern Ireland is a date the Republic can't afford for the near future. While NI's current unemployment rate stands at about half of the Republic's roughly 30% of jobs in NI are public sector. The rate in the republic is about 20%, but will presumably decrease as waves and waves of austerity shrink the state. The British tax payer subsidises NI to the tune of £5 billion a year (€5.8 billion)

The British govt is slashing that public sector right now and for the next few years, sorta of preparing the work for any economic worries

KeithAFC wrote: »

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of British people in Ulster and they will completely disagree. Many people died so we could keep our identity. I don't think you would like if if I said everyone in Ulster is British.

No, pmcmahon said everyone there was British in post #95. At least you're upfront about it.

Sunnyisland · 09-11-2011 10:36AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Nope. You still have dissidents around and not all paramilitary groups are gone. You will always have resistance of some kind.

Hypothetically if the majority in the six counties decided to implement the GFA and it was in favour of a UI,what would the reaction be of the loyalist/ulster community considering a large part did not vote for it,in your opinion keithAFC.

Sunnyisland · 09-11-2011 10:38AM

gurram wrote: »

The British govt is slashing that public sector right now and for the next few years, sorta of preparing the work for any economic worries

No, p mcmahon said everyone there was British in post #95. At least you're upfront about it.

Tbh he always is, which you have to respect.imo.

Fratton Fred · 09-11-2011 11:27AM

People presume that a unites Ireland would mean the RoI "Taking On" the north.

If/when it happens, there will have to be enormous concessions by everyone.

An earlei poster said that we couldn't afford to change the road signs to Km/h, but who said Ireland Nua will use Km/h? It might be decided that it will revert to MPH, but keep the euro.

Who knows, but if the Unionists perceive it as just being absorbed into the south then it isn't going to happen.

Krusader · 09-11-2011 11:30AM

absorb NI, then Scotland, we want a Gaelic Empire,
the United States of the Gaels :pac::pac::pac:

NinjaK · 09-11-2011 11:43AM

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

Snakeblood · 09-11-2011 11:45AM

NinjaK wrote: »

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

I bet you watch The Field every saturday night.

sensibleken · 09-11-2011 11:46AM

NinjaK wrote: »

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

Can we get a Nobel prize over here for this guy?

rounding tattenham Corner · 09-11-2011 11:49AM

NinjaK wrote: »

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

and the prize for the most stupid comment goes to you!

congratulations

John Doe1 · 09-11-2011 12:45PM

Crosáidí wrote: »

absorb NI, then Scotland, we want a Gaelic Empire,
the United States of the Gaels :pac::pac::pac:

Only western scotland was gaelic, the rest were picts and those pesky saxons. Ancient history nerd at your service:)

KeithAFC · 09-11-2011 12:47PM

NinjaK wrote: »

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

This has been said for centuries though and it has never happened. The Ulster Scots/Protestants are not going to leave Ulster.

edgecutter · 09-11-2011 12:52PM

Does anyone really think that many Catholics in the north would like this option? They get free health care, many jobs in the north are only there due to the British government keeping them in place, would are government do the same? There would be massive amounts of unemployment with teachers and other administration jobs being cut. Honestly if I was living up there and looking at the state of us down here, I know what option I would take.

John Doe1 · 09-11-2011 12:56PM

NinjaK wrote: »

There is nothing more beautiful than stolen land being returned to its rightful owner. Lets hope as soon as possible. If the protestants dont like it they can go back to Scotland.

A lot of them were English, Welsh and Huguenot. Some protestants were even shock horror of Irish stock and took the soup:D. Also there were very few catholics living in the antrim and the east and scots had settled there before any plantation

sensibleken · 09-11-2011 12:56PM

John Doe1 wrote: »

Only western scotland was gaelic, the rest were picts and those pesky saxons. Ancient history nerd at your service:)

west scotland is best scotland :pac:

Mike 1972 · 09-11-2011 07:57PM

stewie01 wrote: »

Its pretty much inevitable that in the near future Ireland will be restored back to a united island. My question is when?

When Ireland rejoins the United Kingdom.

Cameron Poe wrote: »

The Catholic population of the north is increasing steadily

And ?

KungPao · 09-11-2011 08:34PM

If someday there was a vote in NI about exiting the UK and joining up with ROI, would there be a vote here to determine if we'd want them?

Or is there something in the constitution that says they're in if they want it?

Anyone know?

gurramok · 09-11-2011 08:38PM

KungPao wrote: »

If someday there was a vote in NI about exiting the UK and joining up with ROI, would there be a vote here to determine if we'd want them?

Or is there something in the constitution that says they're in if they want it?

Anyone know?

We'd have to agree too.

philologos · 09-11-2011 08:39PM

Morlar wrote: »

The 'unionists' are not the only factor in the equation.

The question is how many in NI actually want a United Ireland. Given that a recent survey found that:

It found that 52% of Catholics want to remain associated with Britain, more than double the figure that expressed the same wish in a similar survey five years ago.

woodoo · 09-11-2011 08:42PM

KungPao wrote: »

If someday there was a vote in NI about exiting the UK and joining up with ROI, would there be a vote here to determine if we'd want them?

Or is there something in the constitution that says they're in if they want it?

Anyone know?

The GFA says its up to the People of NI to decide. We've already voted to accept them if they voted to join.

carfiosaoorl · 09-11-2011 08:42PM

I think Ireland will be united in less than 20yrs. I hope it at least happens in my lifetime.

Cork boy 55 · 09-11-2011 08:45PM

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! - they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.

woodoo · 09-11-2011 08:51PM

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

I think Ireland will be united in less than 20yrs. I hope it at least happens in my lifetime.

I can't see it. Its generations away. Demographic changes, economic changes, Religion fading, more mixed marriage, that black and white protestant = British attitude, secularisation in both countries etc. The case would need to be shown that NI would do better and be richer in a UI. Until then it will not happen. All that is a long long way off. Scotland moving on would be a big one too.

gurramok · 09-11-2011 08:53PM

philologos wrote: »

The question is how many in NI actually want a United Ireland. Given that a recent survey found that:

Discredited survey throughout the years, they even got the support for both SF and DUP entirely wrong.

Lets throw another poll in by the more legit BBC in 2010. 55% to keep the status quo, thats 45% against.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8567619.stm

philologos · 09-11-2011 09:10PM

gurramok wrote: »

Discredited survey throughout the years, they even got the support for both SF and DUP entirely wrong.

Lets throw another poll in by the more legit BBC in 2010. 55% to keep the status quo, thats 45% against.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8567619.stm

The question was whether or not people supported a United Ireland, not as to whether or not people liked Sinn Féin or DUP the most.

Your link also doesn't tackle the issue of a united Ireland, but rather as to what people identity as Irish or British. It's much the same question as asking someone if they identify more as Welsh or Scottish than British.

The link that I've shown accounts for the % of people who support a united Ireland and those who don't.

You've yet to explain exactly why the survey is "discredited".

Mike 1972 · 09-11-2011 09:10PM

gurramok wrote: »

DLets throw another poll in by the more legit BBC

You know its perfectly possible to "identify" with one country while wanting to be part of another

LOL though at the greater legitimacy of the British broadcasting Corporation in settling a question on Irish nationalism :pac:

gurramok · 09-11-2011 09:14PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

You know its perfectly possible to "identify" with one country while wanting to be part of another

LOL though at the greater legitimacy of the British broadcasting Corporation in settling a question on Irish nationalism :pac:

Thats the point(;), in case anyone think its biased against Irish nationalism!

gurramok · 09-11-2011 09:18PM

philologos wrote: »

The question was whether or not people supported a United Ireland, not as to whether or not people liked Sinn Féin or DUP the most.

They did in past surveys. This survey has been going on for donkeys years.

philologos wrote: »

Your link also doesn't tackle the issue of a united Ireland, but rather as to what people identity as Irish or British. It's much the same question as asking someone if they identify more as Welsh or Scottish than British.

The link that I've shown accounts for the % of people who support a united Ireland and those who don't.

You've yet to explain exactly why the survey is "discredited".

They've consistently got it wrong. Apparently the BBC one probably looks right as the United Ireland parties(SF & SDLP) do obtain just over 40% of the vote in elections. The Alliance are the other party for Home Rule nationalists to vote for.

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