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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

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  • #2
    _blank_
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    First post. :cool:


  • #3
    Thanx 4 The Fish
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    Third post ;)


  • #4
    jesus_thats_gre
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    Someone can't count on this thread...


  • #5
    monkey9
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    Hold on a second, this cup final stuff is nonsense. We have drawn with Sunderland, Man Utd, Norwich and Swansea at home. We should have beaten them all. But we didn't!

    We created enough chances in all these games to win. The problem right now is we are not putting those chances away! Yet again today, we hit the woodwork!! Let's not hit panic buttons here. Today was sh!t. No doubt about it!

    Oh, and Berba?? Your little theory on that we only show up for the big teams?? We certainly didn't show up against Spurs!! At least you're finally excepting reality!!


  • #6
    slingerz
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    Taking some of the overreaction out of today if Hendo was playing centre mid then castigating his performances would be fair game. To be fair he's been used wide right and he's not comfortable there but he is trying at least.

    As for transfer fees there's a misconception that the player influences that or it's how the player should play. If that's the case no ones told Enrique

    Should KK only add a goal scorer in January then Liverpool would pick up a load more points. The shame is Torres left for Chelsea without ever linking with Suarez or Carroll. As a trio they would offer the whole gambit of striking options.

    As an aside I think Nathan Dyer could be a player with a bright future he looks very lively for Swansea


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  • #7
    Jesus Wept
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    7th post YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSA


  • #8
    michael999999
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    slingerz wrote: »
    Taking some of the overreaction out of today if Hendo was playing centre mid then castigating his performances would be fair game. To be fair he's been used wide right and he's not comfortable there but he is trying at least.

    As for transfer fees there's a misconception that the player influences that or it's how the player should play. If that's the case no ones told Enrique

    Should KK only add a goal scorer in January then Liverpool would pick up a load more points. The shame is Torres left for Chelsea without ever linking with Suarez or Carroll. As a trio they would offer the whole gambit of striking options.

    As an aside I think Nathan Dyer could be a player with a bright future he looks very lively for Swansea
    Have you seen Torres miss today, our situation with lack of goals would be exactly the same if he was still here. Hes not exactly on fire!


  • #9
    ShamoBuc
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    Not happy with drawing again at home against weaker teams but at least we have a break coming up to regroup and hopefully getting those 3points we need in games. Glad Henderson was taken off at ht ( a shockingly early sub for a change), he needs a break from the first 11. Too many players not up to scratch today. Enrique yet again was impressive. We seem to be hitting the bar too often this season, surely they will start going under the bar sooner rather than later.
    I would like to see Bellamy introduced earlier and maybe Maxi should start getting some game time. Things need a bit of refreshing.


  • #10
    monkey9
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    slingerz wrote: »
    Taking some of the overreaction out of today if Hendo was playing centre mid then castigating his performances would be fair game. To be fair he's been used wide right and he's not comfortable there but he is trying at least.

    As for transfer fees there's a misconception that the player influences that or it's how the player should play. If that's the case no ones told Enrique

    Should KK only add a goal scorer in January then Liverpool would pick up a load more points. The shame is Torres left for Chelsea without ever linking with Suarez or Carroll. As a trio they would offer the whole gambit of striking options.

    As an aside I think Nathan Dyer could be a player with a bright future he looks very lively for Swansea

    Completely agree!! It's not Carroll's fault he was bought for 35m. Forget the fee, he's a 22 year old kid who has been bought, not just for now, but the future. Just like Henderson!! We need to trust the management and give them time. Let them develop the squad. Give them time to grow! That means more than just this season and sh!tty results against the likes of Norwich and Swansea!


  • #11
    tommyhaas
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    Have you seen Torres miss today, our situation with lack of goals would be exactly the same if he was still here. Hes not exactly on fire!

    If Torres was still here I think its fair to say we'd have quiet a few more points. The draws at home to Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland and Utd could easily have become wins with a clinical finisher in the side

    To dismiss him on the basis of a few missed chances for Chelsea is foolish IMO, particularly given his record for us


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  • #12
    daithijjj
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    tommyhaas wrote: »
    If Torres was still here I think its fair to say we'd have quiet a few more points. The draws at home to Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland and Utd could easily have become wins with a clinical finisher in the side

    To dismiss him on the basis of a few missed chances for Chelsea is foolish IMO, particularly given his record for us

    If Torres was knocking in the chances in a Liverpool shirt this season would it make our new signings better or still the same? :p


  • #13
    Devilman40k
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    daithijjj wrote: »
    If Torres was knocking in the chances in a Liverpool shirt this season would it make our new signings better or still the same? :p

    If we were 8 points better off while playing poorly we'd be saying watch out when hit top form.


  • #14
    Sir Gallagher
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    paddy kerins wrote: »
    My god, another thread? We need to stop having debates lasting 600,000,000 pages. Just focus on the state of our team, which isn't great to be honest. We really need to start picking up the slack if we're going to go anywhere, especially at home.

    Haha we might as well just shut down boards altogether then!

    Still disgusted with that result, seems like we've been in a "transitional period" for years now. It's just tiring and so dissapointing at this stage. It seems like we're going absolutely nowhere.


  • #15
    Leiva
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    I just wish people would stop with the stupid excuses.

    Last couple of seasons yes we had major excuses .

    No more folks ... Let's start calling as we see it .


  • #16
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    Mixednuts, while I'm not at all happy with the last few home games it's still pleasing to see us create so many chances.

    It's finishing them that's not happening.

    Norwich - 25 chances, 15 on target
    Swansea - 18 chances, 10 on target

    Even the Utd game - 14 chances, 8 on target.

    We've had 33 on target and only scored 3 times in the last three home games. That's very odd I think everyone will agree.

    Plus, hitting the woodwork som many times this season doesn't help. We are due a day of fortune soon and tbh, I think we will hocky someone soon if we can score early and take it from there.

    Fúck, I'm feeling positive today !


  • #17
    Thanx 4 The Fish
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    Well that is another £42 well spent, two in a row, we really need to start converting chances. I do not care that we are the team that hit the woodwork the most in the league or are the team that have most shots on target or are the team that have the striker with the most shots. Those stats are all stats for runner ups. We need top scorer, top assists etc etc.

    Only a few points better off than we were at this stage last season, is Kenny that much better than Roy? Not really a debate for today, but pound for pound in the squad at the moment, probably not.


  • #18
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    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    Well that is another £42 well spent, two in a row,.

    Folks, we found the problem ! :D

    Banned from home games !


  • #19
    Kess73
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    Kenny out. ;)


  • #20
    ilovelamp2000
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    tommyhaas wrote: »
    If Torres was still here I think its fair to say we'd have quiet a few more points. The draws at home to Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland and Utd could easily have become wins with a clinical finisher in the side

    To dismiss him on the basis of a few missed chances for Chelsea is foolish IMO, particularly given his record for us

    3 league goals in 22 Premiership games says otherwise. Why do people constantly think of players only with their fondest memories of them. Torres was brilliant.

    He ain't so good now.

    To kind of pre-empt the response I'll get to this which is usually "class is permanent, form is temporary". Torres scored 20 goals in the league once in his career, that's form. Look at the entirety of his career for his class, which is a little bit less than that brilliant form.


  • #21
    tommyhaas
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    ilovelamp2000 wrote: »
    3 league goals in 22 Premiership games says otherwise.

    Why do people constantly think of players only with their fondest memories of them. Torres was brilliant.

    He ain't so good now.

    His record suggests otherwise. By and large, things haven't gone great for him since his move, however prior to his move his record in any given season was far better then our current number 9's.

    I've had this discussion with you before, I maintained his poor form was down to a new system, new team mates, and the various other factors relating to his move, while you were adamant he'd just lost it. There's no point in having that discussion again

    The point I was initially making was that had he still been here, its quiet likely that he could have converted one of the many chances missed at home to Utd, Norwich, Swansea or Sunderland

    I'm not saying he would have been as clinical as he had been for us previously, but I still maintain he'd be an asset and could easily have turned draws into wins


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  • #22
    YouTookMyName
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    For chelsea,

    Bellamy-Suarez

    Maxi-Adam-Kuyt

    Lucas.


    Runners,hard workers,pace. All ready to overload the box when needed.


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    YouTookMyName wrote: »
    For chelsea,

    Bellamy-Suarez

    Maxi-Adam-Kuyt

    Lucas.


    Runners,hard workers,pace. All ready to overload the box when needed.

    If Gerrard is fit he has to play imo.


  • #24
    Nuri Sahin
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    Had some time to digest that. So will make a comment or two.



    We so badly need that extra man in midfield. Perhaps it's just me, but it's screaming out whenever watching us this season It was so bloody frustrating when Carroll did get about the two Swansea CB's and laid off some good balls in and around the box with only Suarez anywhere near him with no one running from center to join the attack.

    4-4-2 is a dinosaur formation. Some will say it can be flexible, and yes it can. But we are so damn rigid and predictable in our general play it's depressing, Suarez aside. Though he's at fault as well but that's a different issue and I'm not necessarily talking about the match yesterday. But back to my point, it's pointless playing it if you haven't got anybody breaking from midfield to support the attack. It's the simplest formation to play because you effectively have one sitting and one attacking. There's no point playing it if you have two deep lying midfielders in your side who are obviously outnumbered. I'm honestly dreading playing Chelsea and especially City coming up with the players they have.

    Henderson for me, has to play with Adam and Lucas in midfield and NOT as a winger. I'm probably going against the grain here, but I like the lad.
    It was interesting when we had 3 in midfield against United finally very late into the 2nd half that it was too much to handle and we were unlucky not to grab a goal.

    Second and last point will be brief, Downing wasn't bad yesterday. But his final ball was god awful. Bellamy for him was the move to make, not Carroll. Also 76 mins was it? :/ The Kuyt sub was spot on though in fairness.


  • #25
    slingerz
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    El LoCo Ade wrote: »
    Had some time to digest that. So will make a comment or two.



    We so badly need that extra man in midfield. Perhaps it's just me, but it's screaming out whenever watching us this season It was so bloody frustrating when Carroll did get about the two Swansea CB's and laid off some good balls in and around the box with only Suarez anywhere near him with no one running from center to join the attack.

    4-4-2 is a dinosaur formation. Some will say it can be flexible, and yes it can. But we are so damn rigid and predictable in our general play it's depressing, Suarez aside. Though he's at fault as well but that's a different issue and I'm not necessarily talking about the match yesterday. But back to my point, it's pointless playing it if you haven't got anybody breaking from midfield to support the attack. It's the simplest formation to play because you effectively have one sitting and one attacking. There's no point playing it if you have two deep lying midfielders in your side who are obviously outnumbered. I'm honestly dreading playing Chelsea and especially City coming up with the players they have.

    Henderson for me, has to play with Adam and Lucas in midfield and NOT as a winger. I'm probably going against the grain here, but I like the lad.
    It was interesting when we had 3 in midfield against United finally very late into the 2nd half that it was too much to handle and we were unlucky not to grab a goal.

    Second and last point will be brief, Downing wasn't bad yesterday. But his final ball was god awful. Bellamy for him was the move to make, not Carroll. Also 76 mins was it? :/ The Kuyt sub was spot on though in fairness though.

    I think 4-3-3 is possibly the best formation for Liverpool and would give them more options it might mean Suarez is out wider than usual but it'd be worth a go


  • #26
    ilovelamp2000
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    tommyhaas wrote: »
    His record suggests otherwise. By and large, things haven't gone great for him since his move, however prior to his move his record in any given season was far better then our current number 9's.

    I've had this discussion with you before, I maintained his poor form was down to a new system, new team mates, and the various other factors relating to his move, while you were adamant he'd just lost it. There's no point in having that discussion again

    The point I was initially making was that had he still been here, its quiet likely that he could have converted one of the many chances missed at home to Utd, Norwich, Swansea or Sunderland

    I'm not saying he would have been as clinical as he had been for us previously, but I still maintain he'd be an asset and could easily have turned draws into wins

    It's all moot really.

    He didn't want to be here so I don't see why we should be pining for him, particularly while he's still being crap.


  • #27
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    slingerz wrote: »
    I think 4-3-3 is possibly the best formation for Liverpool and would give them more options it might mean Suarez is out wider than usual but it'd be worth a go

    Too narrow in the middle maybe?

    Adam----Lucas----
    Gerrard

    Bellamy
    Suarez
    Carroll


  • #28
    YouTookMyName
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    rarnes1 wrote: »
    If Gerrard is fit he has to play imo.

    Can't see him being fit, tbh.


  • #29
    tommyhaas
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    ilovelamp2000 wrote: »
    It's all moot really.

    He didn't want to be here so I don't see why we should be pining for him, particularly while he's still being crap.

    Agree, and I'm certainly not, I'm just disagreeing with a previous posters statement that he would make no difference were he still here


  • #30
    Kess73
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    slingerz wrote: »
    I think 4-3-3 is possibly the best formation for Liverpool and would give them more options it might mean Suarez is out wider than usual but it'd be worth a go


    I like 4-3-3 as a formation because with the right players it is probably the most effective formation in terms of being very strong for both attacking and defending, but I just don't think we have the midfielders for the central trio right now, at least not for it to be effective on a regular basis.

    Generally for that central trio to be a success you need a trio that are very very comfortable on the ball and capable of quick interplay between them to keep possession, or you need a trio that has some real steel as well as tempo setting abilities.

    We certainly don't have a trio capable of that possession heavy style of midfield play, and right now we don't have genuine steel in the squad in any of our CMs.

    Maybe come January we may buy one of two CMs that would allow us to play in that style, but for now I think the 4-2-3-1 would suit us better based on the squad we have. The one formation that we are weak with is a rigid 4-4-2, especially when we have a full squad to pick from as some players will get a place as long as they are fit, and not because they fit the formation the best.


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  • #31
    tommyhaas
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    daithijjj wrote: »
    If Torres was knocking in the chances in a Liverpool shirt this season would it make our new signings better or still the same? :p

    They'd probably be having conversations on the Chelsea thread about why they wasted £22m on Mata when they could have had Downing for less :pac:


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