A discussion on the rules.

nesf · 28-10-2011 12:16PM

anymore wrote: »

That is an unreasonable answer and I think you know that. People who have been posting for for a good period will have seen unreasonable behaviour by poster wearing the moderator tag which if it were indulged in by ordinary posters would be penalised.

Generally speaking I give longer bans to moderators than I do to other posters because moderators should know better.

If you don't report posts then they usually won't be spotted because all of the mods don't do this for a living so cannot give over huge amounts of time to read and analyse all the posts that go on in these fora.

nesf · 28-10-2011 12:20PM

CrystalLettuce wrote: »

I am really quite frightened by how many right wing Libertarians have been made mods on boards. I feel these mods are throwing their weight around in the board as there is always the subtext that a moderator is a better poster. Some of these people, as is sadly typical of boards mods, seem very unsuited to being mods at least from the mentalities they display here.

I would like to see this considered as an issue as I would like to see more balance. The politics forum as is isn't really conductive for discussion especially with posters like Permabear spending most of their "Baiting lefties". Left vs. right discussions can actually be worthwhile on somethings, but there are some people who make a joke out of it, and it's disproportionately on the right at the moment.

I'm sure it will be of comfort to you that most of the Politics mods are on the left side of the spectrum and of those on the right, none of them are remotely close to libertarians.

Actually, I think every Politics mod disagrees fundamentally with Libertarians and I can remember off-hand several instances where a Politics Mod was one of the key debaters on the anti side of a libertarian thread.

If anything I'd worry about Libertarians getting oppressed on here given that they don't have a voice at the mod table.

anymore · 28-10-2011 12:22PM

I can see the points Nesf and permabear are making and having been a mod briefly once on some site, i can appreciate it could be time comsuming and again each moderator is different and brings different viewpoints.

28-10-2011 01:18PM

nesf wrote: »

I'm sure it will be of comfort to you that most of the Politics mods are on the left side of the spectrum and of those on the right, none of them are remotely close to libertarians.
Actually, I think every Politics mod disagrees fundamentally with Libertarians

cough

Permabear · 28-10-2011 02:20PM

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nesf · 28-10-2011 02:24PM

bluewolf wrote: »

cough

Hmm, remind me to demod you at some stage yeah?

28-10-2011 02:26PM

Permabear wrote: »

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yes. im a baby starver

:(:(

nesf wrote: »

Hmm, remind me to demod you at some stage yeah?

:D
bluewolf is here to provide balance :cool:

nesf · 28-10-2011 02:30PM

bluewolf wrote: »

bluewolf is here to provide balance :cool:

Pfft, as if we'd listen to the newbie mod. You rank just above permabanned people in terms of influence right now...

Scofflaw · 28-10-2011 02:30PM

bluewolf wrote: »

yes. im a baby starver :(:(

:D
bluewolf is here to provide balance :cool:

The question is, though - are you a libertarian according to other libertarians? Or a member of the Peoples' Front of Judea?

cordially,
Scofflaw

28-10-2011 02:34PM

Scofflaw wrote: »

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permabear my dear, am I a libertarian?

Or a member of the Peoples' Front of Judea?

splitters! :eek:

Permabear · 28-10-2011 02:47PM

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Wolfe Tone · 28-10-2011 02:51PM

No name in bold for bluewolf, surely thats the whole point of becoming a mod! :pac:

Is Guanyin still MIA?

Scofflaw · 28-10-2011 03:07PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

No name in bold for bluewolf, surely thats the whole point of becoming a mod! :pac:

Is Guanyin still MIA?

Medically In Action? Not sure right now.

cordially,
Scofflaw

davoxx · 28-10-2011 03:32PM

guys .. come you should know better that this ... please stay on topic :pac:

CrystalLettuce · 28-10-2011 08:46PM

nesf wrote: »

I'm sure it will be of comfort to you that most of the Politics mods are on the left side of the spectrum and of those on the right, none of them are remotely close to libertarians.

Actually, I think every Politics mod disagrees fundamentally with Libertarians and I can remember off-hand several instances where a Politics Mod was one of the key debaters on the anti side of a libertarian thread.

If anything I'd worry about Libertarians getting oppressed on here given that they don't have a voice at the mod table.

You misunderstood my post - I was talking about boards mods in general, as even outside of their forums, people can still see they're clearly mods. However the actual politics mods don't get involved that often and still allow the conversation to consistently be dominated by the RW Libertarians even when they sink to childish baiting.

Scofflaw · 28-10-2011 11:02PM

It's true that boards posters have been less than impressed by the Occupy Dame Street protest, but I can't see that much is added to it by this sudden and I'm sure utterly unrelated bout of whinging.

regards,
Scofflaw

Permabear · 28-10-2011 11:34PM

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CrystalLettuce · 29-10-2011 02:26AM

The 20Cent guide to Libertarians: why was this thread closed?

As far as I can the Libertarians themselves have been making similarly awful posts - the 53% thread comes to mind, and some of them are just outright troublemakers as opposed to people who are merely getting tired of it.

This needs to stop. Moderation on the politics forums needs to get a clue.

CrystalLettuce · 29-10-2011 02:28AM

Permabear wrote: »

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That was locked almost immediately. You never even get warned for your bull****. Double standards alright.

Getting sick of it.

Wolfe Tone · 29-10-2011 02:41AM

CrystalLettuce wrote: »

That was locked almost immediately. You never even get warned for your bull****. Double standards alright.

Getting sick of it.

What I do is laugh, chances are you won't be unfortunate enough to meet one of them in real life, Libertarians that is.

K-9 · 29-10-2011 02:44AM

The Norris and McGuinness were just more popular and relevant microcosms of a good few topics on politics.

Norris attracted the more socially liberal vs. the socially conservative, hardcore elements, which doesn't happen that often, maybe Israel vs, Palestine threads are comparable and they often get locked.

McGuinness was the usual Republican type threads, they are everyday occurences, just more to the fore during the election.

Libertarianism/Tea Partyite types vs. Barrett/Higgins type Socialists, another battleground.

They all just go round and round and can't go on forever, they get locked and they find a new thread to thrash out the same arguments.

Sometimes you get a middle ground poster drifting in, they either get drowned out or lose the will to live pointing out the obvious repeatedly!

Scofflaw · 29-10-2011 03:50AM

CrystalLettuce wrote: »

That was locked almost immediately. You never even get warned for your bull****. Double standards alright.

Getting sick of it.

You don't have to post here. And given your entire contribution to the forum seems to consist of complaining about everything, perhaps a mutual parting of the ways is in order?

moderately,
Scofflaw

FreudianSlippers · 29-10-2011 11:47AM

pfft. I get carded all the time.

30-10-2011 11:11AM

the thread was locked because politics is not a blog nor is it R&R. you want to engage in an actual 2-way discussion about the merits of Lib go right ahead.

CrystalLettuce · 31-10-2011 12:46AM

Scofflaw wrote: »

You don't have to post here. And given your entire contribution to the forum seems to consist of complaining about everything, perhaps a mutual parting of the ways is in order?

moderately,
Scofflaw

Throwing it back to me is a poor excuse for poor moderation. Again, the only alternatives I can think of is politics.ie - which is a shameful site run by a shameful man who's concept of "free speech" applies more to homophobes than it does those who disagree with him.

Scofflaw · 31-10-2011 12:57AM

CrystalLettuce wrote: »

Throwing it back to me is a poor excuse for poor moderation. Again, the only alternatives I can think of is politics.ie - which is a shameful site run by a shameful man who's concept of "free speech" applies more to homophobes than it does those who disagree with him.

Then perhaps you should start your own discussion forum and run it the way you want.

regards,
Scofflaw

FreudianSlippers · 31-10-2011 01:10PM

Unfortunately, CrystalLettuce, represents quite a lot of the posters here (especially in politics) where they make their point as if it's sacrosanct.
Other posters who disagree with evidence or logic seem are completely ignored and they go after the people who reply with "opinion" posts that they can latch on to.

Facts: always brushed over and ignored.

Case in point - the claim is that moderators and libertarians are treated more fairly in politics and don't get warnings/infractions; I point out that anyone only has to look at my infraction history and both of those are proven to be false... ignored 100%.
:rolleyes:

It makes it very difficult to take these types of posters seriously IMO. It was wrecking my head in the Norris, 29th amendment and 30th amendment threads where questions had been asked and answered and points had been made and refuted or (for the most part) put to bed and posters were still dragging them up.

Scofflaw · 31-10-2011 03:19PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It makes it very difficult to take these types of posters seriously IMO. It was wrecking my head in the Norris, 29th amendment and 30th amendment threads where questions had been asked and answered and points had been made and refuted or (for the most part) put to bed and posters were still dragging them up.

We do exercise a particular leniency in respect of that kind of thing when it comes to elections and referendums. We only really step in where people are repeating errors of fact (either innocently or mendaciously).

cordially,
Scofflaw

Permabear · 31-10-2011 05:24PM

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Nodin · 31-10-2011 10:10PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Who or what are "countries such as Ireland"?

Are you trying to intimate that countries where theres a right of centre national consensus are free of 'vitrolic abusive tirades'?

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