Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

oceanclub · 24-10-2011 10:37AM

If we elect Gallagher, and he serves a 14 year term, that makes it 71 years out of a total of 87 years that we'll have an FF President. Why do we keep rewarding them with the office?

P.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 24-10-2011 12:19PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

How many pensions does a person need before they are'nt in something for the money. Higgins does seem genuine but he is part of the problem of an overpaid establishment. This job is ridiculously highly paid and none of the candidates deserve such renumeration.

All these td's and ex Td's get to many pensions and benfits.

CDfm · 24-10-2011 01:16PM

oceanclub wrote: »

If we elect Gallagher, and he serves a 14 year term, that makes it 71 years out of a total of 87 years that we'll have an FF President. Why do we keep rewarding them with the office?

P.

Did I see somewhere about another ,ahem, nameless candidate starting his political life in FF or is that just a wind up ?

Bannasidhe · 24-10-2011 01:25PM

CDfm wrote: »

Did I see somewhere about another ,ahem, nameless candidate starting his political life in FF or is that just a wind up ?

Yes CDfm - Michael D Higgins was in Fianna Fail in the mid 1960s - for less then 6 months. Let's put this in a historical context shall we as it seems to upset you. Higgins joined the Fianna Fail of Lemass - not the Fianna Fail of Aherne, Cowan, McCreevey - you know - Post-Haughey FF.

However, Lemass did bring Haughey into the Cabinet so perhaps we can blame a certain individual who was a member of the UCG Cuman for that...:p

(I'm getting great practice for correcting essays here...;) )

WhatNowForUs? · 24-10-2011 01:30PM

CDfm wrote: »

Did I see somewhere about another ,ahem, nameless candidate starting his political life in FF or is that just a wind up ?

Scraping the barrel... truely scraping the barrel

Liam Byrne · 24-10-2011 01:33PM

CDfm wrote: »

Did I see somewhere about another ,ahem, nameless candidate starting his political life in FF or is that just a wind up ?

Dessie O'Malley was once an FFer too, but given that he railed against the corruption of Haughey and left the party - and that is actually left, not pretended that he left - I'd vote for him if he were running.

Bannasidhe · 24-10-2011 01:35PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Dessie O'Malley was once an FFer too, but given that he railed against the corruption of Haughey and left the party - and that is actually left, not pretended that he left - I'd vote for him if he were running.

But O'Malley did unleash Harney and McDowell upon us...:mad:

CDfm · 24-10-2011 01:38PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Dessie O'Malley was once an FFer too, but given that he railed against the corruption of Haughey and left the party - and that is actually left, not pretended that he left - I'd vote for him if he were running.

Is he still alive ?

Wallflower · 24-10-2011 01:39PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Dessie O'Malley was once an FFer too, but given that he railed against the corruption of Haughey and left the party - and that is actually left, not pretended that he left - I'd vote for him if he were running.

Agree, would have made an excellent President if events and timing had have been different. Intellectually very impressive man (I could even have over-looked his FF/PD past:D:D).

CDfm · 24-10-2011 01:42PM

Wallflower wrote: »

Agree, would have made an excellent President if events and timing had have been different. Intellectually very impressive man (I could even have over-looked his FF/PD past:D:D).

I detect a bit of Hillery fandom there too.

Am I wrong ?

Bannasidhe · 24-10-2011 01:48PM

CDfm wrote: »

Is he still alive ?

Being dead might actually be an advantage.

Wallflower · 24-10-2011 02:04PM

CDfm wrote: »

I detect a bit of Hillery fandom there too.

Am I wrong ?

You wouldn't be wrong

, but "fandom" is perhaps going a bit too far:).

However, it does bring to mind what the job actually (realistically?) is about.

charlemont · 24-10-2011 02:05PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But O'Malley did unleash Harney and McDowell upon us...:mad:

Good point, Two people who make me shudder...:mad:

CDfm · 24-10-2011 02:23PM

Wallflower wrote: »

You wouldn't be wrong , but "fandom" is perhaps going a bit too far:).

However, it does bring to mind what the job actually (realistically?) is about.

It does and the constitutional part ,often, gets lost in the politics.

polod · 24-10-2011 02:54PM

Are you working for sean ?

cant understand how any one could keep up trying to defend him, when everyone else is bashing him

lol

raymon · 24-10-2011 03:04PM

polod wrote: »

Are you working for sean ? cant understand how any one could keep up trying to defend him, when everyone else is bashing him lol

There is a certain percentage of the population will not think that honesty is an important quality .

I hope CdFm votes for Sean Gallagher . Actually after reading his posts I don't care who he votes for .

mike1951 · 24-10-2011 03:08PM

He is a liar like the rest of the fianna faillers you have to be a liar and a conniving rouge to be in that party.I hope the people relaise what he is like before thursday

CDfm · 24-10-2011 03:22PM

polod wrote: »

Are you working for sean ? cant understand how any one could keep up trying to defend him, when everyone else is bashing him lol

Moi.

I genuinely had little interest in Gallagher pre this thread and, intending to vote decided to have a peek. Starting a thread on whether FG was in cahoots with Labour to get Professor H elected.

The level of negative campaigning reminded me of the anti Adi Roach campaign in the late 90's.

I do tend to post and even start threads on areas where there is an imbalance. In the history forum I have started threads on homosexuality in Ireland & Unionism and am neither of those. Both do have a right to be heard.

So I thought, why not see if the critism stacked up.

Have you seen this in todays Indo

Johnny Fallon: Why Gallagher is seen as a fresh start by worn-out voters

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/johnny-fallon-why-gallagher-is-seen-as-a-fresh-start-by-wornout-voters-2914998.html

dak · 24-10-2011 03:27PM

I know Sean Gallagher from secondary school days and I reckon he is honest. He is a breath of fresh air and gives a positive outlook to all. Good luck to him in the election!

anymore · 24-10-2011 03:43PM

mike1951 wrote: »

He is a liar like the rest of the fianna faillers you have to be a liar and a conniving rouge to be in that party.I hope the people relaise what he is like before thursday

If what you say is true and given that FF having been the most dominat party in this State's history, then that would suggest that being liars and conniving rogues is a characteristic trait of most Irish.

P.s MIke, did you get the hangover cure you were looking for ?

jonniebgood1 · 24-10-2011 04:05PM

polod wrote: »

Are you working for sean ? cant understand how any one could keep up trying to defend him, when everyone else is bashing him lol

raymon wrote: »

There is a certain percentage of the population will not think that honesty is an important quality .

I hope CdFm votes for Sean Gallagher . Actually after reading his posts I don't care who he votes for .

What are these posts about?
Are diverging views not allowed anymore. There are blogs for people who wish to give their opinions without debate.

jonniebgood1 · 24-10-2011 04:09PM

CDfm wrote: »

Have you seen this in todays Indo

Very interesting and I think Fallon has nailed it:

So far the electorate has noted the campaign for having a nasty side. Accusations and allegations have been flung around wildly. In a country tired of negativity the fact that Gallagher has not once sought to attack anyone else or suggest they were wrong in their plans for the office has stood out. In fact, even when it came to everybody’s favourite bad guys Fianna Fail, Gallagher still resisted a negative attack.

Of course, his Fianna Fail routes might be blamed for this but he clearly understood that in a world where a sizeable FF vote is well used to being blamed for everything his approach of not attacking them was attractive. Neither did he attack FG or Labour or Sinn Fein. That struck a chord.

Higgins is still far from out of this race, but the reaction of his campaign to Gallagher’s rise in the polls was questionable. In 1990 FF went negative on Robinson in an attempt to lower her ratings, opponents of McAleese went negative to try pull back her lead and on both occasions the result was counter productive. http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/johnny-fallon-why-gallagher-is-seen-as-a-fresh-start-by-wornout-voters-2914998.html

Having listened to the Newstalk debate today most of the candidates were negative towards SG in some way, they should read the piece linked by CDfm.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 24-10-2011 04:24PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Very interesting and I think Fallon has nailed it:

Having listened to the Newstalk debate today most of the candidates were negative towards SG in some way, they should read the piece linked by CDfm.

They all targeting Sean g as he looks good in polls,could also be said Sean g haters on boards are in same boat so to speak.
From what i see,Anyone who votes FF is targeted ,regardless, which is said and glad at same time,It doesn't represent the voters on polling day.
probably why Sean g will get more votes
maybe why the likes of gay Mitchell is doing so bad
now Mitchell would be sad candidate

MadsL · 24-10-2011 04:34PM

oceanclub wrote: »

If we elect Gallagher, and he serves a 14 year term, that makes it 71 years out of a total of 87 years that we'll have an FF President. Why do we keep rewarding them with the office?

P.

He's not yet 50 - we will be suffering more than 14 years, his pension and salery entitlement could be €125k+ a year for 30 years or more...effectively electing SG could cost the state more than €5.5m. :eek: that's leaving out security costs & benefits post retirement.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 24-10-2011 04:37PM

MadsL wrote: »

He's not yet 50 - we will be suffering more than 14 years, his pension and salery entitlement could be €125k+ a year for 30 years or more...effectively electing SG could cost the state more than €5.5m. :eek: that's leaving out security costs & benefits post retirement.

will be same for all candidates,same salary and benefits,security.who even becomes president

Snakeblood · 24-10-2011 04:43PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

will be same for all candidates,same salary and benefits,security.who even becomes president

Well, no it won't. Michael D. is 70. He won't be collecting much pension, not that that's a reason to vote for him.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 24-10-2011 04:51PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Well, no it won't. Michael D. is 70. He won't be collecting much pension, not that that's a reason to vote for him.

Michael d already got 125k in pensions,how many more pension's will he add,
term of office is 7 years currently and don't think who ever gets in will do more than 1 term
If i had 125k in pensions,If be laughing to the bank or post office

Bannasidhe · 24-10-2011 04:57PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Michael d already got 125k in pensions,how many more pension's will he add,
term of office is 7 years currently and don't think who ever gets in will do more than 1 term
If i had 125k in pensions,If be laughing to the bank or post office

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revealed-16-tds-who-wont-hand-back-pensions-2150906.html

Saturday April 24 2010

Labour's Michael D Higgins became the latest TD last night to announce he was giving up his pension later this year.

These pensions?

jmayo · 24-10-2011 05:03PM

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

Good to see Sean winning the polls. Hope he can go ride the wave of abuse and finish well and become president.

Finally a working class president to be proud off.

So you take pride in liars.
Interesting.

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

The elites and the Sunday Independant are trying everything to stop either man gain power.

Hopefully either win and we see the two fingers given to the upper class bankers and RTE media drones.

And Irish people laugh at idiot voters in America lauding sarah palin. :rolleyes:

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

Higgins appeals to people more politically aware?

Again this is the same sort of elitish bull****, that would never have me on the wavelength of him or his supporters. Look down on others is the way of the likes Higgins.

Higgins appeals to people who actually like someone with a bit of honesty and integrity.
If you want to call that elitism then it says more about you than the Higgins supporters.

Sorry if some of us look down on liars as people of low integrity.
I guest we just have higher standards than you.

dak wrote: »

I know Sean Gallagher from secondary school days and I reckon he is honest. He is a breath of fresh air and gives a positive outlook to all. Good luck to him in the election!

Again another person with this uniquely Irish perspective on what honesty means.

I just came back to check on this thread on the oft chance that one of the gallagher apologists/supporters would have come back with somethiing to prove he is not as big a liar as we thought.
But what the heck it turns out there is another one to add to the long litany.
He never bought a farm atall so he wasn't really a farmer.
It was his daddy who bought some land, and it wasn't the publicised 20 acres but 7 or 8.

At this stage is there anything truthful about his history, his great entrepreneurial skills, his non association with the ff party or any of his other so called achievements.

Bannasidhe · 24-10-2011 05:06PM

dak wrote: »

I know Sean Gallagher from secondary school days and I reckon he is honest. He is a breath of fresh air and gives a positive outlook to all. Good luck to him in the election!

Sure I grew up down the road from Michael Martin and he went to school with my brother - wouldn't vote for him if you held a gun to my head!

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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