Liverpool v Manchester United, Anfield, 15th October 12:45 - (MOD NOTE - Post #1)

12-10-2011 09:42PM

Any chance Carrick will play?

He had a stinker last year in this fixture.

TheTownie · 12-10-2011 09:47PM

Liam O wrote: »

This opinion is really starting to spread and I'm not sure I agree with it. First they are different players. I'd have Hernandez playing with Rooney over Welbeck every time tbh. Welbeck is a deeper player who I think would actually work quite well with Chico himself and while I might be persuaded that Welbeck is the better all round player, Chico is the better striker imo.

Have you not seen Welbeck in FIFA12? Ridiculously quick! :pac:

RT2010 · 12-10-2011 09:49PM

Not sure if I would like both Rio and Vidic starting this weekend. Both are gonna be slightly rusty having not being playing regularly, even though it was a big plus for Vidic getting some game time with Serbia (despite the peno miss!)

Anfield is not the place to be building towards peak fitness. I would go with Jones and one of Rio/Vidic in the centre with Smalling at right back.

Blatter · 12-10-2011 09:49PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Any chance Carrick will play?

He had a stinker last year in this fixture.

It's a possibility but I'd say it's unlikely. He did have the advantage of the international break, so you never know.

It wouldn't surprise me if the internationals heavily influences our team selection actually. Carrick, Giggs, Park, Cleverley, Ferdinand, Smalling and Berbatov(he definitely won't start though) all had a break, Welbeck only got 15 mins and Vidic got a much needed game under his belt. It wouldn't surprise me to see at least 4 or 5 of those play.

PHB · 12-10-2011 09:53PM

Irrespective of the differences between the player, Chico had to fly a long way, so I'd expect him to be rested. Think Nani and Park will play. Hoping Cleverely is back, the only real question for me to be honest.

Blatter · 12-10-2011 09:56PM

PHB wrote: »

Irrespective of the differences between the player, Chico had to fly a long way, so I'd expect him to be rested. Think Nani and Park will play. Hoping Cleverely is back, the only real question for me to be honest.

You don't think Young will play then? I'd be surprised if he didn't start tbh.

TheTownie · 12-10-2011 09:58PM

Blatter wrote: »

You don't think Young will play then? I'd be surprised if he didn't start tbh.

Didn't he pick up a knock with England? or is that only a small thing? Never heard the detail.

Blatter · 12-10-2011 10:01PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Didn't he pick up a knock with England? or is that only a small thing? Never heard the detail.

The word going around is that he's fit and the substitution was more of a precaution than anything. There has been no official confirmation though, best wait until Fergie's presser on Friday to find out for sure. I'd assume he's fit for the moment though.

mike65 · 12-10-2011 10:08PM

More of this from Luis and Dirk

That_Guy · 12-10-2011 10:12PM

Are Paddy Power offering odds on the number of times that Hernandez will drift offside? :pac:

Massive game and will be interesting to see how each team's new players will settle in, though most have at some stage played in major derbies before.

Surely Kuyt will start ahead of Henderson for Liverpool in this game. In a game like this, it's vital to have that bit of experience and with Kuyt's work rate in defending and attacking, it's a no brainer really.

It's the right back position that I'd be most worried about if I were a Liverpool fan though I'm not sure how far away Johnson is from returning for them.

Skrtel at right back against Spurs proved to be a costly mistake and Ashley Young would tear him to shreds given the chance.

Flanagan/Kelly, though they're natural right backs may just have that inexperience in an important game like this.

Maybe a back four of

Carragher --- Skrtel --- Agger --- Enrique

As per Manchester United, well they've got bags of talent. It's defensively I'd be most concerned with.

They've been putting teams to the sword and scoring for fun but they do seem to leave themselves open a little bit.

Would you have Anderson or Cleverley holding? Anytime I've seen them this season, they both seem to have licence to go forward leaving the back four vulnerable to a counter attack.

Have often seen Jones get forward an awful lot too. It's nice to see but an interception and you're caught on the break and out of position.

They'll need to have a bit more discipline about them in this type of game.

Intriguing game and I reckon it'll be a close game with Man United coming out on top.

0-1

EDIT: I could be talking complete crap. :pac:

ShamoBuc · 12-10-2011 10:15PM

Looking forward to this one. Going with recent years - home win, 2-1 maybe. Doubt it will finish 11v11

massdebater · 13-10-2011 12:59AM

Liverpool to easily win 2-0 before losing at home to Norwich next week

J. Marston · 13-10-2011 01:21AM

Liam O wrote: »

Can see Nani being dropped after his 'mare last time out.

I hope that he starts. He should be fired up after last time. He has unfinished business with Carragher.

DDG

Smalling
Vidic
Rio/Jones
Evra

Carrick
Cleverley/Giggs
Anderson

Young
Nani
Rooney

Giggsy11 · 13-10-2011 05:37AM

No point in dropping one of our best attacker.

With Vidic back I feel bit confident (At least better than last week). I would gladly take a draw if offered. Not only because we lost at Anfield last few seasons but also our performance was just poor.

I think Fletcher will start this game. Probably he is fit for this tie first time in 5 years.

13-10-2011 06:49AM

Blatter wrote: »

I'm the opposite of course. It would surely make more sense to shift Carragher there and put Skrtel in the centre. It was rather bemusing that Skrtel played RB against Spurs.

Carragher was shifted to RB last year early on as Aurelio went off and played a blinder.

I'd be way happier seeing him there ahead of Skrtel if it comes to it. He has far more experience at RB.

doc_17 · 13-10-2011 06:54AM

Really looking forward to it..brothers coming over (man u fans) so it should be a hoot!

mada999 · 13-10-2011 07:20AM

I said it earlier in the season if Cleverly and Anderson start in the middle, the big teams will beat them....

Hopefully a nice Liverpool win... Suarez to run a muck again.. and Kuyt to start instead of Hendo please...

13-10-2011 07:29AM

mada999 wrote: »

I said it earlier in the season if Cleverly and Anderson start in the middle, the big teams will beat them....

Hopefully a nice Liverpool win... Suarez to run a muck again.. and Kuyt to start instead of Hendo please...

and yet the only big team they've played is Arsenal and that didn't happen did it?

Le King · 13-10-2011 07:31AM

mada999 wrote: »

I said it earlier in the season if Cleverly and Anderson start in the middle, the big teams will beat them....

Hopefully a nice Liverpool win... Suarez to run a muck again.. and Kuyt to start instead of Hendo please...

City, Arsenal, Spurs and Ando with Chelsea.

We have beaten all the big teams...

JimsAlterEgo · 13-10-2011 07:59AM

Le King wrote: »

City, Arsenal, Spurs and Ando with Chelsea.

We have beaten all the big teams...

stop using facts, surely his theory is far better

We need to get at pools weak link, their CBS and lack of pace. That for me is 4-4-2 but with Rooney dropping deeper a lot to help out.

Corvo · 13-10-2011 08:06AM

I cant see both Nani and Young starting, though it would be nice to see. Think either Valencia will start, with Young on the other side or Park will start with Nani on the other side.

Should be interesting either way, and as much as I enjoy seeing Welbeck start, this could be a game for Chico, even if he is a little fatigued.

VW 1 · 13-10-2011 09:04AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

No point in dropping one of our best attacker.

With Vidic back I feel bit confident (At least better than last week). I would gladly take a draw if offered. Not only because we lost at Anfield last few seasons but also our performance was just poor.

I think Fletcher will start this game. Probably he is fit for this tie first time in 5 years.

Phil Jones??

:P

_blank_ · 13-10-2011 09:20AM

Carragher --- Skrtel --- Agger --- Enrique

up against

Rooney
Nani

Welbeck

Cleverly

Is very, very weak at the (Carragher--Skrtel) side, especially if Nani plays there. He'd skin Carragher, then be up against Skrtel next :eek: Rooney also plays that side usually, if he's through the middle he mostly drops deep left, so that is definitely Liverpool's weakest spot on the pitch

At the other side, you have probably Welbeck up against Agger and Enrique, and he's a handful, so i Agger has to go and cover Skrtel, Welbeck will have the opportunity to make the most of the space.

United's attack is just better than Liverpool's defence for this game, and you can see Liverpool being pulled all over the pitch back there, trying to deal with those three.

alternatively, United could go

Welbeck
Young----Rooney----Nani

Ando--Carrick/Clev

Again, a scary front 4 for Liverpool to deal with, and perhaps more potent.

Giggsy11 · 13-10-2011 09:26AM

VW 1 wrote: »

Phil Jones??

:P

Evra

13-10-2011 09:33AM

These were the teams last year.

Aurerlio went off early and Carra went to RB with the Greek going into the middle.

Liverpool totally bossed the game in the middle and uniteds top 2 or nani hardly got a sniff.

Carrick and Scholes were shockingly bad last year, I'm expecting whatever utd to put out this time in CM to be an improvement.

Liverpool:

Reina,

Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio,

Meireles, Lucas, Gerrard , Maxi,

Kuyt, Suarez.

Manchester United:

Van der Sar,

Rafael, Smalling, Brown, Evra,

Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs,

Berbatov, Rooney.

JimsAlterEgo · 13-10-2011 09:38AM

Des wrote: »

Carragher --- Skrtel --- Agger --- Enrique

up against
Rooney
Nani
Welbeck
Cleverly

Is very, very weak at the (Carragher--Skrtel) side, especially if Nani plays there. He'd skin Carragher, then be up against Skrtel next :eek: Rooney also plays that side usually, if he's through the middle he mostly drops deep left, so that is definitely Liverpool's weakest spot on the pitch

At the other side, you have probably Welbeck up against Agger and Enrique, and he's a handful, so i Agger has to go and cover Skrtel, Welbeck will have the opportunity to make the most of the space.

United's attack is just better than Liverpool's defence for this game, and you can see Liverpool being pulled all over the pitch back there, trying to deal with those three.

alternatively, United could go
Welbeck
Young----Rooney----Nani
Ando--Carrick/Clev

Again, a scary front 4 for Liverpool to deal with, and perhaps more potent.

fully agree, if United can break even with possession then they should come out on top. I fancy all of Uniteds front 4 to be able to beat their immediate opponent.

VW 1 · 13-10-2011 09:40AM

baz2009 wrote: »

I'm strangely confident about this game, tbh. Would go a bit more defensive, though.
DDG
Jones--Smalling--Vidic--Evra
Carrick
Anderson----Cleverley----
Nani
Young
Rooney

If it's 4-4-2, then Park has to start, imo.

This for me is the team I would like to see out, if we are chasing the game take off one of Cleverley or Ando and bring on Welbeck.

Cant see past United for this one myself, but I do expect it to be a tough tight game as always, but I can see Cleverley being the difference here, if he is fit enough to start, this is the day he will silence all critics imo.

JimsAlterEgo · 13-10-2011 09:40AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

These were the teams last year.

Aurerlio went off early and Carra went to RB with the Greek going into the middle.

Liverpool totally bossed the game in the middle and uniteds top 2 or nani hardly got a sniff.

Carrick and Scholes were shockingly bad last year, I'm expecting whatever utd to put out this time in CM to be an improvement.

Liverpool:

Reina,

Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio,

Meireles, Lucas, Gerrard , Maxi,

Kuyt, Suarez.

Manchester United:

Van der Sar,

Rafael, Smalling, Brown, Evra,

Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs,

Berbatov, Rooney.

Theres prob only 3 of that United team going to start, maybe smalling but in a different position.

Giggsy11 · 13-10-2011 09:43AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

These were the teams last year.

Aurerlio went off early and Carra went to RB with the Greek going into the middle.

Liverpool totally bossed the game in the middle and uniteds top 2 or nani hardly got a sniff.

Carrick and Scholes were shockingly bad last year, I'm expecting whatever utd to put out this time in CM to be an improvement.

Liverpool:

Reina,

Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio,

Meireles, Lucas, Gerrard , Maxi,

Kuyt, Suarez.

Manchester United:

Van der Sar,

Rafael, Smalling, Brown, Evra,

Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs,

Berbatov, Rooney.

Second/Third choice CBs. Lucas and Gerrard are way too dynamic for the likes of Carrick, Scholes. No wonder we played so badly last season.

Will be interesting to see how we play with out first choice CBs playing and with midfield 2 of Carrick Fletcher and Anderson. (I'm not putting Cleverley as he is not match fit).

13-10-2011 09:54AM

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

fully agree, if United can break even with possession then they should come out on top. I fancy all of Uniteds front 4 to be able to beat their immediate opponent.

Nani, and Rooney didn't get a look in last year. Berbatov I remember hitting the post early on but then having a quiet game after that.

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