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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    Risteard wrote: »
    Do you think Ronan will be at 7?

    I think POM could make the switch over to 7 after the WC, presumably Ronan's on stand by. Captaining the ML shows a lot of faith has been put in him and he's performed pretty well so far.

    I think so too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    We really need one of O'Mahony or O'Donnell to be starting in the HEC this year, one of them needs to step up or Munster will have to go abroad to replace the legend that is David Wallace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    We really need one of O'Mahony or O'Donnell to be starting in the HEC this year, one of them needs to step up or Munster will have to go abroad to replace the legend that is David Wallace.

    Might be a while from that requirement yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    Risteard wrote: »
    Do you think Ronan will be at 7?

    I think POM could make the switch over to 7 after the WC, presumably Ronan's on stand by. Captaining the ML shows a lot of faith has been put in him and he's performed pretty well so far.

    I don't think O'Mahony has the guile to play 7. He's already a penalty machine and putting him in a position where he'll potentially give away even more penaltie is asking for trouble.

    Depends if you want a 6/8 playing 7 or an actual 7 playing 7. If its the later then O'Donnell is a better bet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    I don't think O'Mahony has the guile to play 7. He's already a penalty machine and putting him in a position where he'll potentially give away even more penaltie is asking for trouble.

    Depends if you want a 6/8 playing 7 or an actual 7 playing 7. If its the later then O'Donnell is a better bet

    I'd like to see O'Donnell getting a good run as well. I'm just thinking that POM will be given an opportunity to play 7 in the HC.

    Also tbf to him, I think Ronan has played well enough so far this season ,but then he normally does at Pro12.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    Risteard wrote: »
    I'd like to see O'Donnell getting a good run as well. I'm just thinking that POM will be given an opportunity to play 7 in the HC.

    Also tbf to him, I think Ronan has played well enough so far this season ,but then he normally does at Pro12.

    Its been said many time before: Ronan is savage at ML level :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    From Irishrugby.ie

    Munster are riding high at the top of the RaboDirect PRO12 after the opening three rounds of matches. Forwards coach Anthony Foley has been encouraged by the side's displays to date but knows that next weekend's trip to Cardiff will be a testing one.

    Munster resumed training at the University of Limerick on Monday morning, buoyed by their bonus point win over the Scarlets in Cork on Saturday.
    "We were delighted with the outcome (of the Scarlets game)," admitted the province's forwards coach Anthony Foley, reflecting on the 35-12 triumph.

    "Okay, at times it was sloppy. At times we lost our flow. At times we didn't play the way we'd planned. But look, you can't always get it spot on much as you'd like.

    "Everyone strives for perfection and fluid play but unfortunately when conditions deteriorated to the state they did in the second half, the ball became a bar of soap and that made things very difficult."

    Once again there was much to like about the younger players on show for Munster, two of whom, replacements Duncan Williams and Tommy O'Donnell, scored tries while Dave Foley was impressive particularly in the lineout.

    "As I said before, there's a good mindset, there's a good attitude in the side. They don't give up. They don't give anything to the opposition without them having to earn it.

    "For the young lads they're learning their trade and applying their trade very well out there. If you judge them off the first three league games you'd have to be impressed. But we want more.

    "We're kind of selfish in that manner in that we want bigger performances from these guys. And by demanding more in training and by them being self critical hopefully we can push it on to another level."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    What a shot :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭budhabob


    phog wrote: »
    What a shot :D

    Who is that? Only watching it on the phone so can't tell....SBW has nothing on that. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    budhabob wrote: »
    Who is that? Only watching it on the phone so can't tell....SBW has nothing on that. :)

    Troy Smith


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Nice pass, wonder if he's any good at anything else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    http://yfrog.com/15m8boz

    Flannery will surely be a throwing coach when he has to retire, is there any better thrower in the Northern Hemisphere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    http://yfrog.com/15m8boz

    Flannery will surely be a throwing coach when he has to retire, is there any better thrower in the Northern Hemisphere?

    Some shot, what's the distance, it looks like a very a long throw while he's on his knees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    how long is botha out for at the moment? watching the game tonight hayes came on but he only is contracted til the end of the world cup. considering there are no munster front rowers at the world cup its a bit of a strange scenario.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭the_blackstuff


    The boy keatley did well for us this weekend. I think he's doing a good job so far at fly half. Probably has a bit to go to be good cover at center and full back but so far so good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    how long is botha out for at the moment? watching the game tonight hayes came on but he only is contracted til the end of the world cup. considering there are no munster front rowers at the world cup its a bit of a strange scenario.

    It's more likely that we have to play Hayes to keep him match fit should we need him for the RWC. Botha has a calf strain but Archer has been going well so far this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    From Irishexaminer.ie

    IRISH flanker Niall Ronan has hailed Munster’s talented next generation.

    Despite the absence of several high profile internationals, Tony McGahan’s men are unbeaten in the RaboDirect Pro12 campaign and travel to face Edinburgh on Friday with confidence high.

    With four wins from four in the campaign, Ronan and his colleagues are on course to hit McGahan’s target of six successive victories to start the province’s title defence.

    Ronan said: "A lot of the credit must go to the coaching staff for the work they’ve put in, especially with the younger players to get them up to the standard needed to compete at this level. They have proved themselves mentally and physically strong and good enough for this level. I suppose the proof is in the results and the belief we could win our first six games hasn’t been misplaced."

    One of those youngsters, Peter O’Mahony, has been entrusted with the captaincy in the absence of Paul O’Connell, and Ronan believes it has been an inspired choice.

    He added: "He’s doing a great job, playing brilliantly and is going to be the next long-term Munster captain. Captains have to be good leaders and Peter is in that category; he’s vocal but also leads by example.

    But Ronan also heaped praise on senior players, admitting: "Our set-piece has improved in leaps and bounds and when you put all that together with the experience of the likes of Dougie [Howlett], Mafs [Lifeimi Mafi] and Micko [O’Driscoll], we go out with the belief we can win any game."

    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/ronan-hails-munster-young-guns-in-fine-start-168891.html#ixzz1ZEib8yy9


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 645 ✭✭✭TheHighRoad


    phog wrote: »

    Weird, the team that played Glasgow only had 3 players which could be considered young.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Weird, the team that played Glasgow only had 3 players which could be considered young.

    Weird, he never really mentioned Glasgow, I suppose some will always try and find fault. :eek:

    For the record (and I'm not sure what everyone classes as young) Munster have used 8 players in the RPD12 games so far this seasons that are 23 or under.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭pajunior


    phog wrote: »
    Weird, he never really mentioned Glasgow, I suppose some will always try and find fault. :eek:

    For the record (and I'm not sure what everyone classes as young) Munster have used 8 players in the RPD12 games so far this seasons that are 23 or under.

    I suppose it depends on position.

    Anyone under 23 is obviously young, a second row under 26 would be young for me while a front row forward under 28 could be considered young.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    pajunior wrote: »
    I suppose it depends on position.

    Anyone under 23 is obviously young, a second row under 26 would be young for me while a front row forward under 28 could be considered young.

    I agree

    Professional rugby is not like soccer or other sports where people from 16 years on can regularly appear and effectively participate..the need to mature and bulk up etc is more of a requirement

    Obviously there are exceptions (Luke Fitz, Sonny Bill etc) but they are rare

    EDIT
    Our small pool of players and 4 Province system is also an issue with players breaking into the top level


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster win Schools Inter Provincial
    Munster made it two wins out of two in the Schools A Inter Provincial series with a deserved victory over Leinster at Musgrave Park.

    Munster 30, Leinster 11.

    Leinster elected to play with the strong wind and got off to a great start when full back Jamie Scanlon waltzed his way through the Munster defence to touch down in the corner after four minutes for a 5-0 lead.
    From the kick off the Munster pack took control with skipper Niall Fitzgerald leading by example and they were ahead after ten minutes when scrum half Jaco Oosthuysen picked up a loose ball just inside the Leinster half and weaved his way through the visitors defence to touch down under the posts and Tip Delaney converted for a 7-5 lead.

    Stephen Carey was dominating in the loose and James Reeves, Ryan Meaney and Richard Kingston were prominent in the front row exchanges for Munster.

    A great break by Ben Mitchell nearly produced a second try but a last ditch tackle by Leinster full back Jamie Scanlon saved the day for the visitors.

    Delaney and Ben Porter for Leinster exchanged penalties to leave Munster 10-8 ahead at half time.

    Munster made full use of the strong wind on the resumption and extended their advantage with a try after a minute when following great drives by Fitzgerald and Reeves, Delaney touched down and added the extras for a 17- 8 lead.

    Porter kept Leinster in touch with a penalty on forty one minutes but constant pressure by Munster saw Delaney kick two of four penalty attempts in the next ten minutes.

    As both sides began to empty the bench, Oosthuysen completed the scoring with a try in the final minute and Delaney converted.

    Next up for Munster is a trip to Donnybrook next Wednesday where they will face Leinster in the reverse fixture and this game will kick off at 2.00.

    Munster: Kerry Desmond (Bandon Grammar), Stephen Scallon (Newtown School), Tim Tobin (Vocational School Abbeyfeale), Ben Mitchell (Midleton College), Andrew Walsh (Newtown School), Tip Delaney (Pobal Scoil Chorca Dhuibhne), Jaco Oosthuysen (High School CBS Clonmel), Niall Fitzgerald (Capt.) (Villiers School), Christopher O’Meara (St. Anne’s C.C. Killaloe), James Reeves (CBS Sexton Street), Stephen Carey (High School CBS Clonmel), Stuart O’Sullivan (Midleton College), Michael Cooke (John The Baptist, Hospital), Richard Kingston (Bandon Grammar), Ryan Meaney (Gael Cholaiste Luimnigh)
    Replacements: Andrew Gardiner (Gael Cholaiste Luimnigh), Michael O’Neill (Pobal Scoil Youghal), Aaron Hogan (Pobal Scoil Youghal), Bryan Moore (Midleton College), Rossa Taylor (St. Anne’s C.C. Killaloe), Stephen Murphy (St. Nessan’s C.C.), Gareth Molloy (De La Salle, Waterford), Conor Rafferty (St. Clements College)

    Leinster: Jamie Scanlon (Sandford Park); Micheal Fennelly ( Ard Scoile Na Tridnoide), Fergal Howley ( Newpark ), Ben Porter (De La sale Wicklow ), Tyron Pretorius (St. Pats Navan); Colm O’Reilly (St. Pats Navan), James Orr ( Sandford Park); Eanna Brennan (Dunshaughlin C.C), Jason Byrne (Abbey C.C), Padraig Maher (Colaiste Bhruide); Sam Gibney ( Mount Temple ), Darragh Smith (Dunshaughlin C.C); Jordan Ahern (Gorey C.C), Gavin Vincent (Mount Temple), Judd Byrne (De La Salle Wicklow).
    Replacements: Kevin Brown (Good Counsel), Darren Brady (Wilsons Hospital), Harry Connor ( Newpark), Shane Keogh (Ashbourne C.C), Ben Mackey (Ard Scoile Na Tridnoide), Jamie Boyd (St. Columbas), Ben Mangan (East Glendalough).

    Referee: R Horgan (MAR)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    How do we compare on the player numbers front? Is our player base growing or staying static?
    I thought the four provinces system was a benefit in that our young players move into a professional academy after school.
    Also we have control over our senior players rest periods.
    What I can't understand is the expensive importation of props and scrumhalves into the country.
    You can justify maybe the likes of Doug Howlett/Mafi/Nacewa/Elsom as they have helped our senior players play at a high level in Europe.
    But in positions where we have some ability or with some ambition we could develop some strength it makes no sense.
    The solution to our propping woes is definitely to talent hunt harder at schools level and in non-traditional schools. You have to find the 16 year olds who can physically do it and then show them the skills and give them the opportunity. Importing a prop is closing off the Provincial contract salary option that you could be highlighting to a young player. Very few of them then we can use at International level till several years after they arrive.
    I'd rather we sent a coach around 40 non-trad schools for a month on a semi-coaching/semi-headhunt than paying out big wages to an average foreign prop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The reason that we struggle with props is that it takes a long time to produce an international or HEC quality prop (with the exception of freaks like healy) and that Ireland doesn't have a second tier of rugby that is of sufficient quality to give the props the experience needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I have no figures but I'd imgaine our player base has increased massively following the success of the provinces and national teams. I know in Limerick a few more schools and clubs have started playing the game and I'd guess that's replicated throughout the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    The pity I see is that young fellas perfectly equipped to be good props will go to school this week and play no sport whatsoever, being too slow and ungainly for GAA/Soccer/basketball and not attending a school that plays rugby.
    Whereas if you could have a coach go in meet the P.E. teacher and students he could give an interesting coaching course for an hour a week eight weeks in a row.
    Then a few lads from that school may end up joining a club.
    I went to school with two lads with the physique and strength of young props who played no sport at all. When we played some rugby they were able to carry players down the pitch hanging off them in tackles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Northampton Saints set to face Munster at Stadium MK
    Northampton Saints will play January's Heineken Cup clash against Munster at Stadium MK.

    Saints played quarter and semi-final victories over Ulster and Perpignan there last season, attracting crowds of 21,309 and 18,231 respectively.

    Chief executive Allan Robson said: "It will be a massive match in January.

    "And we want to give as many Saints supporters as possible the opportunity to cheer their team on against one of Europe's best."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    The pity I see is that young fellas perfectly equipped to be good props will go to school this week and play no sport whatsoever, being too slow and ungainly for GAA/Soccer/basketball and not attending a school that plays rugby.
    Whereas if you could have a coach go in meet the P.E. teacher and students he could give an interesting coaching course for an hour a week eight weeks in a row.
    Then a few lads from that school may end up joining a club.
    I went to school with two lads with the physique and strength of young props who played no sport at all. When we played some rugby they were able to carry players down the pitch hanging off them in tackles.
    That should be the job of the development officers but some of them spend more time in places like Rockwell, CBC, St munchins etc and coaching teams in other sports than going to schools that dont play rugby


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    ormond lad wrote: »
    That should be the job of the development officers but some of them spend more time in places like Rockwell, CBC, St munchins etc and coaching teams in other sports than going to schools that dont play rugby

    Have I mis-understod you here? Are you saying that rugby Dev Officers are coaching teams in other sports while being paid to coach rugby?


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