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Console Ban 3-9-11 (Mod Warning Post #755)

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  • #722
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,610 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    At least they admitted it, but I agree the damage was done for some kids who got a bollocking.


  • #723
    Riesen_Meal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    Meesared wrote: »
    He was because they (support) didnt know about the issue till friday

    My friend has known since he was in over a weekend and was warned about it....

    Maybe your team didnt get the memo til Friday gone....


  • #724
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    Fieldog wrote: »
    My friend has known since he was in over a weekend and was warned about it....

    Maybe your team didnt get the memo til Friday gone....
    They were told first, before anyone else on the floor, anything before that was educated guesswork.


  • #725
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    Meesared wrote: »
    He was because they (support) didnt know about the issue till friday
    Meesared you are one of the top contributors to this thread yet your noise to info ratio is very high on the noise side and low on info. This in it's self could explain why you were cut of the memo circulation. If you were working for me I would tell you nothing and feel safe I was doing the right thing!


  • #726
    Draupnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Meesared wrote: »
    They were told first, before anyone else on the floor, anything before that was educated guesswork.

    Considering a week or two ago you were sure there was no problem and now we know there was, how can you be so certain that there wasn't knowledge of this problem that you weren't given at that time?


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  • #727
    Daraa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Daraa


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Considering a week or two ago you were sure there was no problem and now we know there was, how can you be so certain that there wasn't knowledge of this problem that you weren't given at that time?

    Conspiracy Theories is this way man -->


  • #728
    mossie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭mossie


    One thing I get from this thread is people saying that MS are always right and this is the first time anything like this happened. How can we be sure of this? Maybe it's just the first time MS admitted to a mistake. As for saying that this case, like all others, was subject to thorough investigation, and the OP was told that MS had, in fact, taken:
    additional steps to review and reconfirm the enforcement action taken against the console and stand behind the decision.
    I am not exactly filled with confidence in Microsofts investigation procedures, that an investigation and additional steps didn't show the correct facts. I just hope that this debacle leads to a major review of the banning process.

    Incidentally I see the need for a banning system but it seems the implementation of this is heavy handed to say the least.


  • #729
    Draupnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Daraa wrote: »
    Conspiracy Theories is this way man -->

    That's not a very reasonable response, I'm not really pushing a conspiracy theory, given that North1 has emails from weeks after the end date of this problem as given by Microsoft which say there was no problem.

    Have a read back through the thread.


  • #730
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    Meesared you are one of the top contributors to this thread yet your noise to info ratio is very high on the noise side and low on info. This in it's self could explain why you were cut of the memo circulation. If you were working for me I would tell you nothing and feel safe I was doing the right thing!
    Sorry what?


  • #731
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    As a footnote to this debacle I had a long phone conversation with the head of Escalations in the UK, it was relatively open conversations were I brought up my experiences with support, the lack of information coming from Xpet on the general reasons for console bans and the fact that the issue even though claim to be thoroughly investigated did not seem to be. He thanked me for pushing the issue as it was our complaints that raised the issue and flagged there was a problem and though not seen support was passing the information to Xpet saying there is a problem And that they are not working to rebuild the customer support relationship. I believed him on this as he seemed to me to be a genuine person.

    He gave me assurance that the system used to cause the ban has ceased and that the investigation into what went wrong is still on going. The channel of communication between us is still open as they might need more information from me in relation to the ban and I am more than willing to help in this.

    He also said that if I have any issues in the future I can contact them directly and he would help out as best he can. This is the Microsoft support I was use to in the past. I got to say after the phone conversation today I felt a lot better over the struggle of the last three weeks, and has restored a little my faith in Microsoft that in the long run that they will do the right thing.

    Thanks again to you guys on both sides of the agreement that made this an interesting read and also raised the issue publicly and in the end worldwide. We had a great debate. Anyway I’m opening a pie store the special will be Humble Pie for the next week.

    As you know my Nick is N0RTH I play black opes at night rarely when I get a chance at the TV, but I am looking forward to Battlefield 3 and will be getting that, If you see me on line say “hello”.


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  • #732
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,664 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Good on you, North... it's been a fascinating thread with a happy ending.


  • #733
    Raze_them_all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    Mr E wrote: »
    Good on you, North... it's been a fascinating thread with a happy ending.
    Needed more son ass booting tbh!


  • #734
    hightower1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭hightower1


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    I'm glad to be the one to prove you wrong on this Hightower and be your first case of wrongful banning. I'm also glad I didn't follow your advice and buy a new console and swallow that hard pill.....have you learned any lesson during this debacle?

    lolz, North are you actually trawling through the entire thread and quoting people who believed you had actually done wrong and replying to each one individually????? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Ladies and gents.... what a class act. LMAO


    That pretty sad dude, pretty sad. :rolleyes:
    You have a kid so I can at least assume your over 18 years old? Grow up man, really. You were right, fair play, I was wrong but now reviewing the entire thread for people who didnt believe ya really shows your maturity level and for what could have been used as a useful citation for others who feel they were wrongfully banned has just been tarnished by that petty behavior.

    Saying things like "have you learned a lesson" is clearly attempting a superior tone and is especially ironic when taken into context that you went back days in a quite large thread to quote some one and basically say "nah nah nah nah anah nah!" .... I'm sure the irony of wanting to sound superior while sticking your proverbial tongue out at someone on an Internet forum is not lost on you.

    Its not only petty and childish but also against forum rules where your quite clearly not looking to discuss anything but are in fact just trolling. Good luck to you, you seem to schizophrenically move from logic and reason to the depths of childish behavior at the drop of a hat.


  • #735
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    hightower1 wrote: »
    lolz, North are you actually trawling through the entire thread and quoting people who believed you had actually done wrong and replying to each one individually????? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Ladies and gents.... what a class act. LMAO


    That pretty sad dude, pretty sad. :rolleyes:
    You have a kid so I can at least assume your over 18 years old? Grow up man, really. You were right, fair play, I was wrong but now reviewing the entire thread for people who didnt believe ya really shows your maturity level and for what could have been used as a useful citation for others who feel they were wrongfully banned has just been tarnished by that petty behavior.

    Ok one last one.

    Even though I think the above is troll material....

    This is coming from mister mountain and mole hill guy I figured you need a reminding of what humble pie tastes like but I guess you don't like how it tastes given your reply above. Get over it, if I was proved wrong I'm sure you would have had a great time reposting my post like in the the other famous thread. If you can stand over what you posted you should have no fear having what you posted dragged up again.

    As to if i pulled up every negitive post here the thread would be a third bigger again so I wont do that.....only for the special cases..... :)


  • #736
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    Ok one last one.

    Even though I think the above is troll material....

    This is coming from mister mountain and mole hill guy I figured you need a reminding of what humble pie tastes like but I guess you don't like how it tastes given your reply above. Get over it, if I was proved wrong I'm sure you would have had a great time reposting my post like in the the other famous thread. If you can stand over what you posted you should have no fear having what you posted dragged up again.

    As to if i pulled up every negitive post here the thread would be a third bigger again so I wont do that.....only for the special cases..... :)
    You really dont know what was going on with us, we werent lying to you, we were going by what we were told, we didnt think they made mistakes, we thought everything was doublechecked. So dont go around like we knew any better and we were keeping stuff from you. I found out at about 4PM (and we were the first team on the floor who found out), and it was public knowledge by 6PM we really didnt know what was going on. As far as we were concerned the bans were legitimate.


  • #737
    hightower1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭hightower1


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    Ok one last one.

    Even though I think the above is troll material....

    I'm sorry but YOU were the one to quote me from a week ago in order to trot out an "I told you so"? I think its obvious that doing something like this was childish , trolling and flaming. (The final two of which are against forum rules btw)
    NORTH1 wrote: »
    if I was proved wrong I'm sure you would have had a great time reposting my post like in the the other famous thread.

    Excuse me but you dont know me from jack s**t so dont base your very immature actions on what you believed me - a total stranger - would do in your position. (for the record I'd have left it be, I dread to think this kind of behavior is what your setting as an example for your son)
    NORTH1 wrote: »
    If you can stand over what you posted you should have no fear having what you posted dragged up again.

    I have no fear of what anyone quoting me, what I and others said in terms of MS being correct WAS wrong in this case. Those statements were based on the average amount of times people here and on other forums screamed innocence and were proven wrong / the track record of MS incorrectly banning consoles. Not a single person here was petty or ignorant towards you, none of us here banned you or caused you this hassle but yet you decide to be a dick once you do get an answer and start attempting this "I told you so" attitude aimed directly at certain posters (who were simply trying to be helpful btw) by direct quoting old posts with absolutely no intent other than to flame or troll.

    Way to go, how many times did you search for any times online for examples like your case in order to try and provide hope or some example to show MS reps? What about if someone in your position tries the same in future and wants to send this thread on to MS as an example?... all you've managed to do is tarnish what WAS a great example that others could have used in future / made yourself seem like an arrogant so and so here. Good luck if your looking for any info here in future. Your attitude stinks.


  • #738
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    I knew this was posted before but couldn't remember by how...
    hightower1 wrote: »
    Soc -> Conspiricy theories -> this way...... :rolleyes:

    Anyway while lecturing to me you do seem to not remember what you posted previously in this thread so I was surprised to here the childish comment and trying to hold the high ground by someone has posted this in the thread...
    hightower1 wrote: »
    Ahhh FFS, lads. Guys from MS can ye just please please please pull some strings and post up why he was console banned to the finger pointing and lughing can begin already! I've had enough of the foreplay now, the set up is complete! :D


    nelson-muntz.png

    But hey if that not baiting I don't know what is?

    Take a little advice your in a hole stop digging you don't have the moral high ground here so do yourself a favour and stop posting. I will not be replying to you any more.

    This is a really special case!!


  • #739
    Reamer Fanny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    I knew this was posted before but couldn't remember by how...
    hightower1 wrote: »
    Soc -> Conspiricy theories -> this way...... :rolleyes:

    Anyway while lecturing to me you do seem to not remember what you posted previously in this thread so I was surprised to here the childish comment and trying to hold the high ground by someone has posted this in the thread...
    hightower1 wrote: »
    Ahhh FFS, lads. Guys from MS can ye just please please please pull some strings and post up why he was console banned to the finger pointing and lughing can begin already! I've had enough of the foreplay now, the set up is complete! :D


    nelson-muntz.png

    But hey if that not baiting I don't know what is?

    Take a little advice your in a hole stop digging you don't have the moral high ground here so do yourself a favour and stop posting. I will not be replying to you any more.

    This is a really special case!!

    So North1 what was the outcome did you have your console unbanned?


  • #740
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    justryan wrote: »
    So North1 what was the outcome did you have your console unbanned?

    Unbanned and back in action.


  • #741
    yimrsg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭yimrsg


    Haven't read through all the thread but fair play North1 for sticking with it and getting satisfaction and with your head held high. A victory for the common man.

    The begrudging you've suffered in this thread and the ordeal with microsoft, hopefully will make your next session of gaming all the sweeter next time you're online.


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  • #742
    davidk11811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    yimrsg wrote: »
    Haven't read through all the thread but fair play North1 for sticking with it and getting satisfaction and with your head held high. A victory for the common man.

    The begrudging you've suffered in this thread and the ordeal with microsoft, hopefully will make your next session of gaming all the sweeter next time you're online.
    Thoroughly enjoyed reading every post in this thread. Delighted for you North, you showed this forum that MS can make mistakes. Your persistence to make yourself heard by MS got you the outcome you've deserved and you're well entitled to say "I told you so". See you on XBL ;)


  • #743
    luckyfrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    So when microsoft say your console is banned and it irreversable basically there full of ****e


  • #744
    Angry Mom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭Angry Mom


    Hightower1. One of the benefits of living in a free nation is one's right to assert their innocence, a right that should extend to private enterprise, if not then it's like a dictatorship, an oppressed nation within a free nation. We were accused of piracy, which is illegal and if charges were brought forward by Microsoft and proven to be true could result in felony charges, this is not child's play. The way a free nation works is like this " innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until proven innocent" and especially not, as we have experienced over the last several weeks, just plain "guilty". Though you may see this as just an X Box being banned and then unbanned, look beyond the fun and games, this is about protecting one of the most basic fundamental rights that we enjoy because we live in a free nation. Thank goodness for people like North1 who recognizes that this isn't about being cut off from COD but about protecting one of our most basic fundamental rights. If we want to maintain a properly functioning democratic society and prevent the government and private enterprises from abusing their authority then the rights of the accused must be protected and due process of the Law must be upheld. It's quite shocking to think that anyone would just stand by and accept criminal accusations thrown their way without putting up a fight. Making mountains out of molehills, I think not.


  • #745
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    Angry Mom wrote: »
    Hightower1. One of the benefits of living in a free nation is one's right to assert their innocence, a right that should extend to private enterprise, if not then it's like a dictatorship, an oppressed nation within a free nation. We were accused of piracy, which is illegal and if charges were brought forward by Microsoft and proven to be true could result in felony charges, this is not child's play. The way a free nation works is like this " innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until proven innocent" and especially not, as we have experienced over the last several weeks, just plain "guilty". Though you may see this as just an X Box being banned and then unbanned, look beyond the fun and games, this is about protecting one of the most basic fundamental rights that we enjoy because we live in a free nation. Thank goodness for people like North1 who recognizes that this isn't about being cut off from COD but about protecting one of our most basic fundamental rights. If we want to maintain a properly functioning democratic society and prevent the government and private enterprises from abusing their authority then the rights of the accused must be protected and due process of the Law must be upheld. It's quite shocking to think that anyone would just stand by and accept criminal accusations thrown their way without putting up a fight. Making mountains out of molehills, I think not.
    No offence but you cant half tell your American!


  • #746
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    Meesared wrote: »
    No offence but you cant half tell your American!

    You say no offence but offence is exactly what you ment. You use the word American as an insult and tried to isolate and bully her with your absolutely pointless comment. So what if we have different poster from around the world with there different mannerisms this forum is a better place for them and we don't need comments like yours trying to make them fell unwelcome Thanks Angry mom for your input.


  • #747
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,285 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Now Xbox Live is making us turn on each other. Is there no end to their evil !!


  • #748
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    NORTH1 wrote: »
    You say no offence but offence is exactly what you ment. You use the word American as an insult and tried to isolate and bully her with your absolutely pointless comment. So what if we have different poster from around the world with there different mannerisms this forum is a better place for them and we don't need comments like yours trying to make them fell unwelcome Thanks Angry mom for your input.
    Oh grow a sense of humour for gods sake


  • #749
    NORTH1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭NORTH1


    u
    Meesared wrote: »
    Oh grow a sense of humour for gods sake

    Having experience of dealing with bullies both in the school yard and in the work place your comment above is nearly always their first defence. Think before you post as I have have said before you are one of the top contributors but have had very little real input to the discussion.


  • #750
    Meesared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Meesared


    Very little input because i disagreed with your stance perhaps?

    Right....


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  • #751
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,664 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    To newcomers to the thread, it summarises like this:

    * OP was console banned for reasons unknown to him
    * MS fanboys said he deserved it, even though they didnt know why he was banned
    * OP continues to plead innocence and perseveres chasing MS for an explanation
    * MS fanboys tells him to suck it up, MS NEVER gets it wrong.
    * MS erases Windows Vista and RROD memories from fanboys head
    * MS gets it wrong, banning people in error. The OP was affected
    * OP rejoices
    * MS fanboys refuse to eat humble pie and insist they never said what they originally said in the first place
    * OP buys a PS3 (*)




    (*) may not be true but makes for a funnier ending


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