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Fast diesel around €7/8k

  • 18-09-2011 11:02PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭


    Hi I'm looking for a relatively fast diesel car which won't cost an arm and a leg in maintenance (my big worry about a BMW).

    I saw on autotrader a Toyota Avensis T180, which I could import for around 7-7.5k. Has 175bhp, 45ish mpg and good spec (leather, sat nav etc).

    Also it would need to be insurable for a 21 year old. The badge isn't too important, but it would need to look kinda nice.

    How does that Toyota sound, or any other decent alternatives?

    Thanks!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    The insurance on that Toyota might be hairy for a 21yr old.

    What about a MK1 Focus 1.8TDCi Sport? Basically a diesel ST from the outside, only had 115bhp from the factory but they can be mapped up to a more respectable figure....Probably easier to insure too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    2.2 engine has head gasket problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    The insurance on that Toyota might be hairy for a 21yr old.

    What about a MK1 Focus 1.8TDCi Sport? Basically a diesel ST from the outside, only had 115bhp from the factory but they can be mapped up to a more respectable figure....Probably easier to insure too.

    Quinn said it would be an extra ~€120 on my policy (only just started). That Focus is a good shout alright I'll research it a bit. In a way tho I think I might like a bigger car, have had a hatchback since I started driving.
    2.2 engine has head gasket problems.

    :(. I'll research forums and stuff to see how bad it is. Do you know any more details on it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Happy days so. I still think a diesel Avensis for a 21yr old is a bit premature.....:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    :(. I'll research forums and stuff to see how bad it is. Do you know any more details on it?

    Toyota owners club avensis forums. few pages on it. Same engine in the Lexus IS220 and they go ping. New enough engine.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Toyota owners club avensis forums. few pages on it. Same engine in the Lexus IS220 and they go ping. New enough engine.

    They also gave injector problems IIRC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    Happy days so. I still think a diesel Avensis for a 21yr old is a bit premature.....:pac:

    Yeah thought about that. Don't want to buy a BMW coupe for the sake of it though and not be able to afford to run it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Yeah thought about that. Don't want to buy a BMW coupe for the sake of it though and not be able to afford to run it.


    The Toyota will take as much maintaining as the BMW. Remember, Toyota's need to be serviced every 15k, where as the BMW's are longer (Up to 30k in some cases) so straight away your servicing costs could double. You could also have the same potential problems with the Toyota (DPF, DMF etc).

    It's worth the risk IMO, just pick out a healthy one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    The Toyota will take as much maintaining as the BMW. Remember, Toyota's need to be serviced every 15k, where as the BMW's are longer (Up to 30k in some cases) so straight away your servicing costs could double. You could also have the same potential problems with the Toyota (DPF, DMF etc).

    It's worth the risk IMO, just pick out a healthy one.

    Oh didn't realise that about the service intervals. I'd just be worried about the possibility of 4 figure bills out of the blue from the beemer, but I guess that's a possibility with any modern diesel. I love the E46 coupe though, I'll look at the prices of them.

    Also I just had a look at the toyota owners forum, every third thread seems to be about replacement T180 engines, think I'll scratch that idea!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭puddinboxxx


    skoda fabia vrs...that is all


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    depending on what year BMW you go looking at (if you change your mind) be very careful. Pre-04 e46 had swirl flap issues, and I mean unpredictable catastrophic issues.

    Basically, the swirl flaps were screwed in and over time, the engine vibrations shook them loose. Next thing you know, there's screws and swirl flaps being ingested by the engine and you need a new engine.

    Doesn't matter if the car has Full BMWSH, can still happen. Only way to be certain it wont is to blank them with blanking plates.

    Obviously turbos can go, so you'd need to make sure it's working alright - pulling well in all the gears on a test drive, and even better if you can get to see the turbo, try look for any signs of a refurb, if you can get the intercooler pipe off try check for any lateral movement. (don't forget to put it back on if you do).. Replacment of the crankcase breather filter helps prolong the life of the turbo, depending on the year of the car it could need to be done every 15-20k miles but the parts are cheap to buy. There's a better filter(vortex) you can buy that lasts longer, but only available for later year models.

    Other issues are front suspension (mainly wishbone IIRC) problems, they tend to wear out very quickly, and check all the springs as they can cause problems too.

    Oh, and silver ones tend to rust quite a bit more than other colours for some reason, so make sure to get a good look, especially around the arches and the likes.

    And don't wait as long as the service intervals say for a service

    (edit: having said all the above, I've a "new" e46 coupe sitting outside :D )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Also I just had a look at the toyota owners forum, every third thread seems to be about replacement T180 engines, think I'll scratch that idea!

    Only the 2.2. The 2L is a fine engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,653 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    The Toyota will take as much maintaining as the BMW. Remember, Toyota's need to be serviced every 15k, where as the BMW's are longer (Up to 30k in some cases) so straight away your servicing costs could double. You could also have the same potential problems with the Toyota (DPF, DMF etc).

    It's worth the risk IMO, just pick out a healthy one.

    I would not leave a modern day diesel engine go for 25/30k without at least an oil and filter change irrespective of the longer intervals manufactures put on them these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    Yeah I've heard about the swirl flap issue on the E46, that's what puts me off. Is there any preemptive measures you can take against the problem?

    As for the 2.2 Head Gasket problems, it seems Toyota have a 7 year, 112k guarantee on the engines. Would still put me off.

    How about a Honda Accord? Surely they are reliable, even the diesels? http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Accord/2.2I-CTD/201130203570762/advert?channel=CARS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Accord is chain and Manifold problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    The Toyota will take as much maintaining as the BMW. Remember, Toyota's need to be serviced every 15k, where as the BMW's are longer (Up to 30k in some cases) so straight away your servicing costs could double. You could also have the same potential problems with the Toyota (DPF, DMF etc).

    It's worth the risk IMO, just pick out a healthy one.

    Wouldn't leave oil in a engine for more than 10000miles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    Accord is chain and Manifold problems.

    Is anything reliable these days? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭166man


    Alfa 147 diesel? Nippy enough engine along with a great looking car..

    Are you doing the miles to warrant a diesel car or just looking to save on fuel costs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Is anything reliable these days? :)


    BMW-M-pushbike_428-420x0.jpg



    Reliable is a very expansive word. The most reliable car maker in the world means nothing if a car hasn't been proper mantained.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Yeah I've heard about the swirl flap issue on the E46, that's what puts me off. Is there any preemptive measures you can take against the problem?

    Yup, as I said, they can be blanked

    http://www.pmwltd.co.uk/?page_id=155


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭bridgemond


    All cars have problems. All you can do is get a car with a good service history and look after it. The diesels that I would drive would be

    02 shape kitted A4
    Mk4/5 golf tdi
    Kitted Accord
    E46 320d


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    166man wrote: »
    Alfa 147 diesel? Nippy enough engine along with a great looking car..

    Ha, I have a 147 petrol for 3.5 years now, fancy a change :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    BMW-M-pushbike_428-420x0.jpg



    Reliable is a very expansive word. The most reliable car maker in the world means nothing if a car hasn't been proper mantained.

    Those have been known to have steering issues......

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056393168


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,653 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Ford Mondeo ST TDCi:
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2534511

    Pretty reliable as modern diesels go and very torquey engine but insurance maybe a problem for a 21 year old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Ford Mondeo ST TDCi:
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2534511

    Pretty reliable as modern diesels go and very torquey engine but insurance maybe a problem for a 21 year old.

    Thanks, didn't think they were in budget! I'll check the story with insurance tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭166man


    Ha, I have a 147 petrol for 3.5 years now, fancy a change :)

    Insurance may be an issue but still..

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S60/D5-SPORT/201134204036431/advert?channel=CARS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭supersparkz


    Would you consider a 2l passat say 05 up. a good quick bus. or the octavia with the same engine maybe a bit cheaper?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭Hiace.


    Is anything reliable these days? :)

    Not really, it's called planned obsolesce. It's a major money spinner for the large manufacturers.
    VAG are the worst offenders at the minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    166man wrote: »

    Serious bus for a man of 21!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    166man wrote: »

    Really like these. In black with the right alloys and lights they look class imo.


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