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If... the Unforgiving Minute

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Keeping it easy this week until all the aches and pains have fully subsided. HR seemed to be fully recovered for an easy 10K last night once my body got accustomed to moving again. Will have to do some more stretching to ease out some other niggles I have got.

    Plan is for an 8K race in Sligo on Sept 17, then a 10K early Oct and hopefully a 5K at the end of October. Target will be to PB in all of them, so I need to be in good shape and ready to run fast.

    There are a few temptations before then - a 3 mile race this weekend in Sligo and a 5K next week in Boyle. Either would be good to sharpen up with but better avoided if I am not ready.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    have been looking around for a poss pb 10km early oct myself. have you any 'nice' ones in mind? i know teh galway bay 10km is flat but teh thoughts of heading into a 'morethanlikely' seabreeze even if its only for half teh race doesnt sound great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    have been looking around for a poss pb 10km early oct myself. have you any 'nice' ones in mind? i know teh galway bay 10km is flat but teh thoughts of heading into a 'morethanlikely' seabreeze even if its only for half teh race doesnt sound great.

    I am doing the 10K in Grange (North Sligo) on Oct 02 which I ran 3 years ago for a PB, although its a bit hilly. Probably a bit far out of your way though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Took last week to recover after my warrior exertions and planned my long run for Sunday. My long run is always a good way to find out how my minor knocks and niggles are getting on. Once I get over the hour my body either starts to complain or I feel I can run all day. I started off the week with a sore back (which I got lifting my trainers out of my car boot - I really need to do more strength work!), a strain in my right foot and my dodgy left knee. I was actually most worried about my back - I know someone who hurt their back doing the Warriors run a year ago and has not been right since. The other twinges are long running and I can usually deal with.

    I decided to do a few different loops in the woods so that if I needed to stop early I would not have a long walk home. I started out at about 4:30 /km pace for the first 4K and then went off the main tracks following the MTB and deer trails uphill for a while. At one point I thought I was on a bike trail but as the trees closed in around me I was bending down to avoid taking my eye out, I realised even the deer would have difficulty getting through here so I had to turn around. When my back did not complain there I knew that was ok. I had no idea how far or fast I ran but I enjoyed the soft underfoot conditions and must make sure to include this as part of my long run, at least until the paths turn to mud. I am even considering doing a cross-country race or two this year, although I said "never again" a few years ago.

    My third loop was back on the main trail at a steady pace which went well except for some loose dogs and owners. Total about 16km in 1:20, aches and pains under control. I decided against the 3 mile or 5K races this week and will try and get some good training under my belt before putting myself out there again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Yesterday evening the rain was bucketing down with a wind blowing it almost horizontal. I had a track session planned but I just could not face the thought of running around the track on my own in those conditions so I did a swap with my Thursday session 6x1 mile @ 6 min pace.

    I did this about four weeks ago and averaged 5:50, not quite as good this time (average 5:52) but in the conditions, good enough. Although the trail was wet and sloppy in places, there was some shelter from the heavy rain but its never as bad once you are out there anyway.

    The first one (as usual) was too fast 5:40. On the way back the wind was more in my face and I slowed to 5:56, followed by a 5:47 and 6:00 where the wind really gusted up almost stopping me. I held 5:46 for the next one and put in a big effort for the final mile but came up short at 6:01.

    Track session has to be done Thursday now, come wind or rain.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Yesterday evening the rain was bucketing down with a wind blowing it almost horizontal. I had a track session planned but I just could not face the thought of running around the track on my own in those conditions so I did a swap with my Thursday session 6x1 mile @ 6 min pace.

    I did this about four weeks ago and averaged 5:50, not quite as good this time (average 5:52) but in the conditions, good enough. Although the trail was wet and sloppy in places, there was some shelter from the heavy rain but its never as bad once you are out there anyway.

    The first one (as usual) was too fast 5:40. On the way back the wind was more in my face and I slowed to 5:56, followed by a 5:47 and 6:00 where the wind really gusted up almost stopping me. I held 5:46 for the next one and put in a big effort for the final mile but came up short at 6:01.

    Track session has to be done Thursday now, come wind or rain.

    Very hard to aim for consistency in weather conditions like yesterday . Heres hoping for a calm day thursday too , have a massive tempo to get thru , the final toughie !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Seres wrote: »
    Very hard to aim for consistency in weather conditions like yesterday . Heres hoping for a calm day thursday too , have a massive tempo to get thru , the final toughie !

    Good luck with that key session, sorry I was no help getting you support, everyone seems to be doing their own thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Good luck with that key session, sorry I was no help getting you support, everyone seems to be doing their own thing.
    No worries , i understand , my time isnt very flexible so it probably wouldnt have worked out anyway . Last major session today and then ill be on the run in:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I was glad I had postponed my track session from Tuesday - on Thursday conditions were perfect: dry, calm and mild.

    After a good warm-up I did a 6-min time trial. Plan was to run at least 1800m so that was 40s for each 200m. Gained a few seconds on the first lap, then held it as I tired in those middle laps. Hit the mile at 5:15 finishing the 6 mins at 1840m. Not bad after my 6x mile workout 2 days ago and it's a marker that I hopefully can improve on next time.

    After a good recovery, I finished with 2x200m in under 32s with 2:30 jog in between.
    It's been a while since I ran that fast, still feeling the buzz the day after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Long run yesterday in the wind and rain. Did first 6.25K lap of the woods in 28:30, then went uphill around the MTB trails for 35:30 and finished with another 6.25K in 27 mins. Enjoyable run despite the weather.

    I wore my Salomon Wings XT runners for the first time in months. I got these this time last year and they have served me well for over 250 miles when I was recovering from my knee injury and were great during last year's big freeze.

    This time both my feet were hurting afterwards. I have a small blister on the outside edge of my left foot where I have never got one before. My right foot hurts in a similar place but it feels more like a strain and hurts when I put weight on it. I iced it last night and it's a bit better today.

    My wife suggested maybe there is a seam at that point on the shoe but I dismissed that saying I would have noticed it before now. But when I actually checked it, there is a bump there, hmm. I will avoid running in these shoes for a while, at least until I have figured out the cause. I may need to invest in a new pair of trail shoes then.

    I will rest until I can walk without pain, hopefully just a few days as I have an 8K race Saturday.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,516 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Just catching up on your Warrior run. Well done. Great report and an even better result! Hope to see you there next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Just catching up on your Warrior run. Well done. Great report and an even better result! Hope to see you there next year.

    Thanks KC,

    It's a race that could really suit you. If I am not running I will be there to cheer next year.

    Good luck in Chicago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    My foot felt better walking around yesterday so I decided to go ahead with my run but stayed away from the track and went on the more forgiving trail. As I warmed up I could feel some pain that came and went during the run but never enough to make me want to stop or turn back.

    Main part of the workout was repeats of 30 secs at just over mile pace (154m to be precise) followed by half that distance as recovery in 30 secs. First time to do this session, worked out ok - an easily tolerated way of doing speed work.
    Did 20 repeats which is just over 3K at about mile pace and same at half that pace.

    Iced the foot afterwards, still not sure what exactly the problem is. So far I am still planning to race on Saturday but will test the foot out again Thursday in my racing flats to see how it stands up :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Plan was for an easy run followed by strides in my racing flats to see if they make my sore foot better or worse. Did 7.5K @ 4:15 pace on forest trail (a bit fast) and 6 x100m+ strides on tarmac and everything felt good, not even a twinge.

    The pain had been midway along the top of my right foot, between the 4th and 5th metatarsal and spreading out towards the ankle. Of course I googled it and suspected the worst (metatarsal stress fracture) but probably it was caused by my shoes over-correcting my stride causing me to supinate a bit and put pressure on the outside of my foot against a seam in the shoe.

    I almost always feel some sort of injury in the lead-in to a race, I think because I am more in tune with my body and am watchful for aches and pains. Other times I can just ease off a bit or run through it. Maybe the hypochondria is just part of getting myself a bit psyched up for a race.

    The race at the weekend is a local 8K in Rosses Point on an out and back course. With winds and rain forecast to pickup on Saturday and the route starting and ending near the seafront, weather will be a factor. [I have only recently found the Norwegian weather forecast site www.yr.no which I am impressed with.] I expect the wind will be in our faces on the way back so I will have to try and find someone to draft off.

    My 8K PB is over 34 mins from over 3 years ago in the Streets of Galway, so I should be able to do damage to that - 31 mins was my target at the start of this year but I have over-shot most of my other targets so hopefully can come near 30 mins for this one. I will plan to go out hard with a few faster guys and hopefully I can stay with some of them for the return section.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    This was always going to be a PB, barring injury as my previous 34:12 was set in 2008. I decided before the race not to focus on times too much as the weather conditions were awful and a strong wind in the home straight of this out and back course along the Rosses Point promenade were not encouraging for fast times. I picked out 3 clubmates on the start line to follow who finished close together a minute ahead of me in my last 10K.

    The winner Emmett Dunleavy went out at his usual pace and was unchallenged finishing in 24:40. A sizeable group followed behind, including my three targets and as one of them tailed off over the first km I tagged along with him and few others as I went through 1K in 3:26 - a bit quick but that was fine. The next km included a sharp downhill to stretch out on, in 3:23. My first target dropped back at this point and I could see the field lengthen out ahead up the long gentle incline.

    I worked a bit to join up with a guy in a bright green vest and we ran together for the next few kms in 3:39 & 3:34. Just before the turn-around point he said something to me about working together on the way back into the wind, I acknowledged and said something about trying to catch the guy ahead too - he was my second target. The wind was in our faces now but by the 5K mark we were catching the guy ahead - he was struggling more with the wind on his own and I know he has been putting in the miles recently for the marathon and probably feeling the effects in his legs. That km was 3:38, giving me 17:43 for 5K, 19s ahead of my PB. I knew something good could be on the cards now.

    I tried to do my share into the wind for the next km but I must have been slowing as my green vest co-runner, pushed past again. That was my slowest km in 3:43 but we still gained on the next guy ahead - an experienced M50 runner. I pulled away from the two of them at the start of the home stretch along the prom missing the 7K marker around this point.

    My sights were now on my third quarry, who I thought was the 2nd M40 in the race (he usually is 1st or 2nd in local races). He was about 40m ahead. I surged and relaxed, then surged again, closing the gap each time. He did not hear me coming and about 100m out from the finish there was no one to warn him. I went by at full pelt, up on my toes, sprinting motion. I don't know if he tried to respond but I was not going to be caught.

    I stopped my watch at 28:30, but for once the official chip time was better at 28:25, so I will take that. My last 2K was 7:04, I wish I had got a time on my last K. I finished as 3rd M40, 9th overall - 1st and 2nd in my category were a full minute ahead in 4th and 5th overall, so no prizes this time. I was pleased to have beaten a few guys that were previously out of my sight at the finish but you never know what shape any one else is in so I was more delighted with my time.

    After my Warriors Run, I hoped I had some good times left in me at these shorter distances but this was better than I even dreamed of - an 8K PB by 5:45, an unofficial 5K PB on the way, a real break-through race, hopefully not a flash-in-the-pan. I did a quick check on McMillan for equivalents and this gives me new targets of 17:14 for the 5K, 28:34 for 5 mile and 35:49 for 10K. The "big 8" target is based on a 5 mile time which I will not get to do this year but for the sake of 50m more, I am including this 8K result at least for myself. I have a 10K in two weeks time and while I am not counting my chickens, my 39:04 PB looks beatable - if I could string together 2x 4.5 min Ks at the end of this 8K time, I'd be at 37:30 ! I will finish the season with a 5K, not sure which one yet but there are a few to choose from.

    The rain came down in buckets just after I finished, so although I stayed around the finish only a while, I got soaked through. That led to no real cool down run and combined with the fast finish left me with some fierce calf cramps that night, but fortunately no other after effects.

    PS. After writing this report offline, I wondered if maybe the course was short. I did not hear any of the GPS wearers mention it and it was run previously over the same course, and was organised by the local AC with AAI permit but you never know. I had some doubts given my time so I checked it out on Mapmyrun and measured it at 7.94 KM. My positioning of start and finish lines could be out by a few meters and given that mapmyrun is not 100% accurate either, it is probably right or at least close enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭cwgatling


    That's a serious time, great going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    really well done. you know you've had a good race when youre the only one to question the course! sound like a good race for you might be the fields of athenry 10km december. im sure you know the race . it ticks all the boxes and gives you a couple months to prepare ! great running again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    fairplay , i was wondering how it would go for ya in those weather conditions , as ive done that course before and youd fly it out with the tail wind but as soon as you turn for home there is a terrible headwind . Knew a few that were doin it and they said the wind factor was serious . Thats a fantastic result , you must be pretty pleased ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    As I am racing every second week, I am keeping the training fairly light - just easy runs mixed with some speed work to keep sharp. Nothing remarkable for yesterday - 12.5 km in just under an hour.

    However I realised it's 4 years since I started back running. On Sept 20, 2007 a fat (over 80 Kg) 40 year old ran a mile to the local church; 8 mins later he took a walk break and then ran back home. It had been nearly a year before that, since he had ran previously, when he managed 6 runs in all of 2006. THe 20 years before that had been all pretty similar. During the next few months after that church run, he managed between 1 and 4 runs a week, peaking at 12 miles a week with a 5 mile long run. His first race 3 months later was a 23 min 5K.

    Since then I have run 55 races and lost over 15 Kgs and I have made running part of my life. In that context a 12.5 km easy run was remarkable enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    thats a pretty massive life style change , well done . Was there anything in particular that motivated you to start/continue ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Seres wrote: »
    thats a pretty massive life style change , well done . Was there anything in particular that motivated you to start/continue ?

    THere was a photo of me sitting on a wall on holiday in Italy where I resembled the Michelin man that triggered me - just one pizza too many. After that I just got addicted like most people here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Did similar workout to last Tuesday 20x 154m in 30s with 30s recovery over 77s. This is based on a vVO2 max workout as described here.

    I brought the HR monitor along this time and recorded average HR of 170 bpm during the workout with just over 10mins in the range 165+.

    Felt a bit tougher than last week, probably from the race at the weekend.

    Next up a 10K on Oct 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Long run yesterday felt good.

    First 6.25K loop in 27:10 (4:21 /km = 7 min /mile pace)
    Second loop in 26:43, and as a bonus found a new trail that links two previous dead-ends - will have to measure the new distance later in the week on an easy run.
    Third lap was a bit quicker but still comfortable at 26:04 (4:10 /km pace).
    Total about 20K.

    With races every second week, I am not sure what sessions I should be doing. I want to do something that keeps me ticking over, maybe activates my fast-twitch fibres without tiring me out too much. Answers on a postcard please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    whats the 10k course in grange like ? i think i did it before a couple of yrs back but cant remember much , its described on runireland as flat ?! if it is im just gonna go for it ! Whats your plan ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Seres - I did the Grange 10K 3 years ago and I remember it being mostly flat with a few long drags and a nice bit of a downhill at the finish before a final lap of the track.

    I tried to map it from memory and this is close enough - shows a slow gain up to 50m then back down over the final 2K.

    Should be good for a PB, so I'll probably just go for it too. See you there. Must go and enter on runireland now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Did a good speed work session on the track yesterday.

    Plan was for 200m, 400m, 600m, 400m, 200m in under 5 min mile pace with full recoveries.

    A warm breeze on the home straight made it a bit tougher but still enjoyed it.
    200m in 33s, followed by 3:30 recovery
    400m in 1:12, 3 min recovery
    600m in 1:50, 4 min recovery
    400m in 1:10, 3 min recovery
    Finishing with a 200m in 32s down the back straight, wind assisted.

    All nicely under target times. I could feel it in the legs but without over-doing the lactic build-up.

    Finished with a 25 min+ recovery run


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,516 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Very nice session dna_leri. Got plans for a sub 5 mile or just doing focussed speedwork? Just wondering what kind of sessions might be suitable for an attack on a sub-5 minute mile attempt. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Very nice session dna_leri. Got plans for a sub 5 mile or just doing focussed speedwork? Just wondering what kind of sessions might be suitable for an attack on a sub-5 minute mile attempt. Thanks.

    Krusty - No plans for a mile any time soon, just trying to sharpen up for a 10K this weekend followed by a couple of 5Ks later in October.

    I am thinking about running some shorter races next year, but there are not many of them around here. I guess some speed-work like that would be needed, if I go for it I will have to research a bit more. Is the sub-5 mile on your list too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,516 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Krusty - No plans for a mile any time soon, just trying to sharpen up for a 10K this weekend followed by a couple of 5Ks later in October.

    I am thinking about running some shorter races next year, but there are not many of them around here. I guess some speed-work like that would be needed, if I go for it I will have to research a bit more. Is the sub-5 mile on your list too?
    Well, not really as a serious goal. More something to check off the list (if I can). Shortest race I've ever run is 5k, so not sure how well suited I'd be to the shorter stuff. Wouldn't mind having a pop though. Maybe one of the Goal Christmas mile jobbies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Kept it easy since my session Tuesday, with a few good strides in my racing flats yesterday.

    The planets are in alignment for the Grange 10K on Sunday. Good quality field expected + relatively flat course with downhill finish + weather forecast ideal (13 degs, dry, light breeze) + no real injury worries + touch wood = no excuses.

    Target 1 - beat my April PB of 39:04 & go under 39 mins.
    Target 2 - beat my 2011 stretch target of 38:00
    Target 3 - blast a big hole in my PB - 36:xx

    To get #3, I will need to go out hard, maintain and then finish hard.
    I have never actually "blown up" in a race, probably because I have always ran within my abilities. I am not planning to blow up this time either but if I do not know where my limits are, I may not reach them...


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