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Is David Norris Toast?

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  • #1982
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Noises this morning that Norris may be trying to climb out of the toaster and back into the race:

    The Indo says:

    Mr McCabe called the senator to tell him of the result of an opinion poll showing one in three voters wanted him to run, and almost one in five still backed him.


    No point in him running. When the rest of it comes out - the stuff that made his backers resign - he will only have to quit the campaign again.


  • #1983
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    I assume that there is a touch of the ' Silly Season nothing better to write about' about this story. Or else the Indo is getting ready to divert attention away from the publication of the Mahon Tribunal.


  • #1984
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Noises this morning that Norris may be trying to climb out of the toaster and back into the race:

    The Indo says:

    Mr McCabe called the senator to tell him of the result of an opinion poll showing one in three voters wanted him to run, and almost one in five still backed him.

    More importantly he should be told 4 out of 5 don't back him


  • #1985
    one eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭one eye


    Hopefully he will retire to his ivory tower with a copy of his beloved 'Ulysses' and have a happy life.


  • #1986
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Yep, he's on a hiding to nothing if he re-enters the race, every hack journalist in the land will be digging for dirt. Let the hare sit, David.
    Having said that, I hear the Sinners are considering running Mary Lou Mac Donald for the park. Now that's an even more distasteful prospect than Norris re-entering. Mary Lou having tea in Buck house, Gerry Adams would turn in his grave, were he dead from the neck down as well as from the neck up.


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  • #1987
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Godge wrote: »
    No point in him running. When the rest of it comes out - the stuff that made his backers resign - he will only have to quit the campaign again.

    Surely if there was more it would have come out by now.


  • #1988
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    Surely if there was more it would have come out by now.


    I have heard there is more and there were quotes in the papers from some of his former campaign workers that the material that was released was not the material that caused him to resign.

    From the journalistic point of view, there was no need to hammer nails into his coffin by releasing more examples of correspondence.


  • #1989
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Noises this morning that Norris may be trying to climb out of the toaster and back into the race:

    The Indo says:

    Mr McCabe called the senator to tell him of the result of an opinion poll showing one in three voters wanted him to run, and almost one in five still backed him.

    Whatever about the opinion polls, I can't see him getting a nomination.
    He has zero chance of being the next President.


  • #1990
    N8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭N8


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    Surely if there was more it would have come out by now.


    not widely picked up but new-ish

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Further-revelations-over-David-Norris-views-on-underage-sex-127263293.html?showAll=y


  • #1991
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Godge wrote: »
    I have heard there is more and there were quotes in the papers from some of his former campaign workers that the material that was released was not the material that caused him to resign.

    From the journalistic point of view, there was no need to hammer nails into his coffin by releasing more examples of correspondence.
    Surely that is censorship ! If the catholic church did this we would be up in arms !


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  • #1992
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    N8 wrote: »
    not widely picked up but new-ish

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Further-revelations-over-David-Norris-views-on-underage-sex-127263293.html?showAll=y

    Idk, I wouldn't give much credence to those papers. The indo obv doesn't have anything on him or else they wouldn't be pushing him so strongly.


  • #1993
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    Idk, I wouldn't give much credence to those papers. The indo obv doesn't have anything on him or else they wouldn't be pushing him so strongly.

    The "I would have liked to be molested" comment has been mentioned here before, and was clearly a joke, and a funny one, too.

    The other issue raised in that post is that Norris was a founder member of the International Gay Association and that the Association passed motions calling for the end of the age of consent and calling for solidarity with the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    However, that post does not say if or how Norris voted on either of those motions, so it's a very weak attack. Norris does indeed get a name-call as a founder at the ILGA society website, and good for him.

    If 20% of people back Norris after all the kerfuffle earlier, neither of these ancient tidbits of "scandal" (30+ years ago!) is likely to put them off.


  • #1994
    Hawk Wing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Hawk Wing 2


    "The newspaper also mentions Norris’ support for a pro-pedophile organization in the 1980s called the Paedophile Information Exchange"

    How can anyone support a sick individual like this?


  • #1995
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The "I would have liked to be molested" comment has been mentioned here before, and was clearly a joke, and a funny one, too.

    The other issue raised in that post is that Norris was a founder member of the International Gay Association and that the Association passed motions calling for the end of the age of consent and calling for solidarity with the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    However, that post does not say if or how Norris voted on either of those motions, so it's a very weak attack. Norris does indeed get a name-call as a founder at the ILGA society website, and good for him.

    If 20% of people back Norris after all the kerfuffle earlier, neither of these ancient tidbits of "scandal" (30+ years ago!) is likely to put them off.


    Don't think those two ancient bits of information were what caused the campaign managers to resign. We will only know if there is more if he decides to re-enter the campaign, if he does, every paper in the country will be out there digging for something. Unless he decides to run again, this is a non-story for the newspapers. I am even surprised this thread is still getting posts.


  • #1996
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Godge wrote: »
    Don't think those two ancient bits of information were what caused the campaign managers to resign.

    So you're suggesting that the information is out there, his campaign staff were so disgusted by it that they quit, but no newspaper will publish it? No web-site will run with it? No insider will leak it?

    I don't think so.


  • #1997
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    So you're suggesting that the information is out there, his campaign staff were so disgusted by it that they quit, but no newspaper will publish it? No web-site will run with it? No insider will leak it?

    I don't think so.

    Joe Jackson (a supporter and journalist (allegedly!) :rolleyes:) has said quite clearly that there is more.
    As has been said, it will probably emerge if he runs, which he won't... I credit the man with common sense. His FB supporters page is probably embarrassing him now.


  • #1998
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The "I would have liked to be molested" comment has been mentioned here before, and was clearly a joke, and a funny one, too.

    The other issue raised in that post is that Norris was a founder member of the International Gay Association and that the Association passed motions calling for the end of the age of consent and calling for solidarity with the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    However, that post does not say if or how Norris voted on either of those motions, so it's a very weak attack. Norris does indeed get a name-call as a founder at the ILGA society website, and good for him.

    If 20% of people back Norris after all the kerfuffle earlier, neither of these ancient tidbits of "scandal" (30+ years ago!) is likely to put them off.

    Why should people write off these ' ancient tidbits of scandal ' when Norris was evasive about answering questions preferring to refer to his ' 30 year record' in public life. And the reality is that the HLB interview reinforces the impression that Norris has attitudes to sexual matter that many people are uncomfortable with. Again these issues need to be looked at with the same level of detachment as if they had been pronounced by members of the catholic clergy.


  • #1999
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    anymore wrote: »
    And the reality is that the HLB interview reinforces the impression that Norris has attitudes to sexual matter that many people are uncomfortable with.

    Yes, of course he does, that's the main reason I'd vote for him.

    I want people like you to be made uncomfortable, just like Mary Robinson made a lot of people uncomfortable back in her day.


  • #2000
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Yes, of course he does, that's the main reason I'd vote for him.

    I want people like you to be made uncomfortable, just like Mary Robinson made a lot of people uncomfortable back in her day.

    What a politically mature POV. :rolleyes:


  • #2001
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The "I would have liked to be molested" comment has been mentioned here before, and was clearly a joke, and a funny one, too.

    The other issue raised in that post is that Norris was a founder member of the International Gay Association and that the Association passed motions calling for the end of the age of consent and calling for solidarity with the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    However, that post does not say if or how Norris voted on either of those motions, so it's a very weak attack. Norris does indeed get a name-call as a founder at the ILGA society website, and good for him.

    If 20% of people back Norris after all the kerfuffle earlier, neither of these ancient tidbits of "scandal" (30+ years ago!) is likely to put them off.


    Jokes about molestation must be very funny alright for people who have actually being molested. Funny is not the word that springs to mind to describe that comment.


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  • #2002
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Yes, of course he does, that's the main reason I'd vote for him.

    I want people like you to be made uncomfortable, just like Mary Robinson made a lot of people uncomfortable back in her day.


    I didn't vote for Mary Robinson, and never particularly liked the woman, but can enver say she made me uncomfortable so fon't know where that could be coming from.


  • #2003
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    I didn't vote for Mary Robinson, and never particularly liked the woman, but can enver say she made me uncomfortable so fon't know where that could be coming from.

    She was the first Labour candidate to run for President, and the first woman. She was an openly left wing campaigner for equal rights for both women and gays. She worked with one David Norris on the Campaign for Homosexual law Reform (as did Mary McAleese).

    She made plenty of people who thought the Presidency was a retirement home for elder statesmen uncomfortable.


  • #2004
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    She was the first Labour candidate to run for President, and the first woman. She was an openly left wing campaigner for equal rights for both women and gays. She worked with one David Norris on the Campaign for Homosexual law Reform (as did Mary McAleese).

    She made plenty of people who thought the Presidency was a retirement home for elder statesmen uncomfortable.


    As somebody who was active in politics at the time it was not something I came across, perhaps the paranoia sets in every so often with people who think they are radical.


  • #2005
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    She was the first Labour candidate to run for President, and the first woman. She was an openly left wing campaigner for equal rights for both women and gays. She worked with one David Norris on the Campaign for Homosexual law Reform (as did Mary McAleese).

    And they were elected by the overwhelming majority of the Irish electorate.


  • #2006
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    And they were elected by the overwhelming majority of the Irish electorate.

    Robinson polled less than Brian Lenihan on the first count, and won by about 53%-47% on the second, hardly overwhelming.


  • #2007
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    Just polled by Red sea poll about upcoming election. They named all the current known runners, with no "none of the above" or "other" option.


  • #2008
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Robinson polled less than Brian Lenihan on the first count, and won by about 53%-47% on the second, hardly overwhelming.

    It was to Brian Lenihan.

    Stop with the inferiority complexing, the Irish electorate will elect, if the right quality of candidate is there.
    Both Mary's where made of the right stuff .....at the right time.


  • #2009
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Stop with the inferiority complexing

    No idea what that means. I voted for Robinson and McAleese, and they won.

    I'd vote for Norris if he was in, but he won't be, so I'll vote Michael D., and he'll win, too.


  • #2010
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    No idea what that means.

    It means your constant (and the majority of Norris's FB huffers) juvenile depiction of the Irish electorate as being backward and 'needing to be made uncomfortable' when the evidence of the last two elections shows them to be anything but.
    It says many things about how you and Norris's supporters view yourselves and others.


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  • #2011
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It means your constant (and the majority of Norris's FB huffers) juvenile depiction of the Irish electorate as being backward and 'needing to be made uncomfortable' when the evidence of the last two elections shows them to be anything but.

    More people voted #1 for Brian Lenihan Snr. than for Mary Robinson, even after Lenihan was dismissed in disgrace from the Cabinet during the campaign!


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