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Israel to arm illegal settlers with ear gas and stun grenades.

  • 30-08-2011 04:51PM
    #1
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    The IDF has conducted detailed work to determine a “red line” for each settlement in the West Bank, which will determine when soldiers will be ordered to shoot at the feet of Palestinian protesters if the line is crossed. It is also planning to provide settlers with tear gas and stun grenades as part of the defense operation.

    The IDF is currently in the process of finalizing its preparations for Operation Summer Seeds, whose purpose is to ready the army for September and the possibility of confrontations with Palestinians following the expected vote in favor of Palestinian statehood at the UN General Assembly.

    Israel clearly fears an inevitable UN vote for Palestinian Statehood, so they now are planning on defending illegal settlements with gunfire, and providing the illegal settlers arms. If this happens after the vote, it will be a declaration of war on the Palestinian state and surely would merit UN intervention.

    Roll on September. It will be interesting to see how the vote pans out.


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  • #2
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A state would have to be recognised by the UNSC where, alas, its all down to the Americans, and there's been no sea change
    there...


  • #3
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Well yes - but it's very unlikely that they will go through the security council. So it will be in some sort of limbo half-official status - but it will be recognition. So it's a start.


  • #4
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    so what way does this UN vote happen? do individual countries vote to recognise/not recognise the palestinian state or will it be the UN as a federation of sorts?


  • #5
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    so what way does this UN vote happen? do individual countries vote to recognise/not recognise the palestinian state or will it be the UN as a federation of sorts?

    There are two routes.

    The first is through the UNSC, which the US has the power to, and ultimately would veto. The second is largely a symbolic vote through the UN, which the US does not have the power to veto. It would amount to non-member observer status in the UN. It would give some further weight to the Palestinian state, based on the pre-67 lines with East-Jerusalem as it's capital.

    It's perfectly clear for everyone to see at this point that there will never be an agreement reached with Israel, and the longer Palestinians delay - the larger Israel's illegal settlements will become.


  • #6
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    wow thats an interesting position to be in. Its mad the amount of power the americans have over the situation.


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  • #7
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    blahfckingblah wrote: »
    wow thats an interesting position to be in. Its mad the amount of power the americans have over the situation.

    Like China with Burma/North Korea, Russia with (currently) Syria. They all protect their allies/customers. Depressing, really.


  • #8
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    dlofnep wrote: »
    If this happens after the vote, it will be a declaration of war on the Palestinian state

    They more or less have been waging war against them since 1967, so it would be nothing new.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    and surely would merit UN intervention.

    UN intervention will never happen, because they lack the political will and the balls to stand up to them. Israel lest we forget, has consistently given the UN and Human Rights the 'two fingers'.


  • #9
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    "ear gas"? What new and dreadful tool of oppression is this?

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #10
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    I for one support this decision by Israel. It is important these people do have the proper equipment to defend themselves from potential terrorist attacks.


  • #11
    vellocet
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 329 ✭✭vellocet


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I for one support this decision by Israel. It is important these people do have the proper equipment to defend themselves from potential terrorist attacks.

    Supporting apartheid south africa and now apartheid Israel

    Have you loyalists ever been on the right side of history?


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  • #12
    end a eknny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭end a eknny


    only in their own tiny minds (everybodys out of step except our johnny.......adair)


  • #13
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    "ear gas"? What new and dreadful tool of oppression is this?

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Blast you Scofflaw, blast you and your keen eye.


  • #14
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    vellocet wrote: »
    Supporting apartheid south africa and now apartheid Israel

    Have you loyalists ever been on the right side of history?

    our kieth is so predictable in all the boxes he ticks


  • #15
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    vellocet wrote: »
    Supporting apartheid south africa and now apartheid Israel

    Have you loyalists ever been on the right side of history?
    Nope. I just hope they can defend themselves. We will wait and see what happens but lets hope nothing happens.


  • #16
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's perfectly clear for everyone to see at this point that there will never be an agreement reached with Israel, and the longer the Israelis delay - the more desperate the Palestinian's plight will become.

    FYP

    But it doesn't really bother the Israelis that much does it :(


    The settlers are pretty well armed anyway.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I for one support this decision by Israel.

    You and the Yanks mate. :cool:


  • #17
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    vellocet wrote: »
    Supporting apartheid south africa and now apartheid Israel

    Have you loyalists ever been on the right side of history?

    more like the right side of morality


  • #18
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    funny you should worry about the israeli's defending themselves when the article deals with shooting the feet of protesters who cross the "red line"


  • #19
    vellocet
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 329 ✭✭vellocet


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Nope. I just hope they can defend themselves. We will wait and see what happens but lets hope nothing happens.

    thats the point. any regieme based on racial superiority and supressing the natives gets your thumbs up. shooting protestors is right from the Stormont playbook. Its tediously predictible


  • #20
    vellocet
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 329 ✭✭vellocet


    irishh_bob wrote: »
    more like the right side of morality

    Its morally right to arm illegal settlers to the teeth and allow them shoot at the indiginious population to pre-empt the world finally giving them statehood they deserve?

    more brutal desperation from a bully boy apartheid state.


  • #21
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    vellocet wrote: »
    thats the point. any regieme based on racial superiority and supressing the natives gets your thumbs up. shooting protestors is right from the Stormont playbook. Its tediously predictible
    Well we could debate that in regards to Israel and the Jews in the region but this thread isn't about that.


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  • #22
    vellocet
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 329 ✭✭vellocet


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Well we could debate that in regards to Israel and the Jews in the region but this thread isn't about that.
    Yes it is...

    do you support Israel because you believe in it or because the feenians support the other side?


  • #23
    maddragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭maddragon


    The "ear gas" is to treat the ears after letting off the stun grenades.


  • #24
    cookies221
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭cookies221


    vellocet wrote: »
    Yes it is...

    do you support Israel because you believe in it or because the feenians support the other side?

    What's a feenian? :confused: I'm Irish and I fully support Israel and its right to defend itself.


  • #25
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    cookies221 wrote: »
    What's a feenian? :confused: I'm Irish and I fully support Israel and its right to defend itself.

    It's not defending itself. This territory is not a part of Israel.


  • #26
    cookies221
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭cookies221


    The Shinners always assume that just because you are Irish Catholic that you support a united Ireland, and that this wish goes hand in hand with support for a Palestinian state. It's this arrogance that annoys me. I'm glad that a recent poll has dispelled this myth. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland are in favour of remaining in the UK (wise decision imo).

    Not surprising that terrorists support terrorists though. Funny that Sinn Féin fail to come to the rescue of their old buddy Gadaffi now that he is in trouble in Libya.


  • #27
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    cookies221 wrote: »
    The Shinners always assume that just because you are Irish Catholic that you support a united Ireland, and that this wish goes hand in hand with support for a Palestinian state. It's this arrogance that annoys me. I'm glad that a recent poll has dispelled this myth. The majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland are in favour of remaining in the UK (wise decision imo).

    Not surprising that terrorists support terrorists though. Funny that Sinn Féin fail to come to the rescue of their old buddy Gadaffi now that he is in trouble in Libya.

    That's a nice trench you're digging there - but, you know, if we wanted trench warfare on these threads, we could do it ourselves. So how about you stop with the irrelevant "terrorist" guff and the general flame bait, and in return I don't ban you.

    Same goes for anyone else who fancies digging their trench here. Also, Pete M, don't do FYP. It gets people's backs up, so we treat it as trolling.

    moderately irritated,
    Scofflaw


  • #28
    cyberhog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭cyberhog


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I for one support this decision by Israel. It is important these people do have the proper equipment to defend themselves from potential terrorist attacks.


    Should Palestinians also have the "proper equipment" to defend themselves when violent assaults are perpetrated by Jewish settlers?


  • #29
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    "ear gas"? What new and dreadful tool of oppression is this?

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Secret weapon developed in the Negev, didn't you get the memo?


  • #30
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Israel clearly fears an inevitable UN vote for Palestinian Statehood, so they now are planning on defending illegal settlements with gunfire, and providing the illegal settlers arms. If this happens after the vote, it will be a declaration of war on the Palestinian state and surely would merit UN intervention.

    Roll on September. It will be interesting to see how the vote pans out.

    A lot of the settlements are armed with rifles already, providing non-lethal weapons may actually save lives in the long run.

    And to pre-empt the usual retorts, I've stated before I'm completely against settlement of the west bank so I'm not going to be "the opposition" on this thread, just pointing out a salient observation.


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  • #31
    blahfckingblah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-is-a-palestinian-unilateral-declaration-of-statehood-really-a-road-to-peace/ from the journal this morning, the israeli point of view. A regular journalist said that they have contacted the palestinian delegation for their point of view. Makes for an interesting read dispite the obvious allegiances, i hope the palestinians take them up on it.


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