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Michael Moore - Greatest American Alive Today??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,582 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    He was in Ireland giving a speech and asked on the last word. He said he would only go on if he could pick the questions before hand ! For a guy who made his name door stepping people that pretty pathetic. Matt Cooper turned him down fair play to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    Also American culture is pretty dedicated to asking questions about itself, if anything TOO dedicated, leaving them very ignorant of other countries problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Does anyone else find it ironic to see a morbidly obese man talking about greed in society?


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would agree with this. A lot of people seem to think that the Charlton Heston interview was great because it finally showed Heston up, but the man was sick at the time of the interview, having been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and was also ambushed at his own home. The questions Moore put to him in the interview were arguably unanswerable and quite difficult for a man that was not really in a healthy state of mind to be answering them.

    Watch the way the piece is edited, the film was shot on one camera but in the Heston piece you would think they had 5 or 6 cameras shooting it.

    If you want another example of Moores dishonesty look at the segment where he opened his bank account and got his gun. Idiots all over the world start going on about just how stupid America is but everyone with a brain knows that no bank will hand out guns over the counter. And sure enough if you look into it Moore staged the entire thing, in reality what happened was when you opened your account you could get a voucher which you took to a local gunshot and after all the checks had been done and your license was in order you were given a gun. Not exactly how it's shown in the film and if you didn't want a gun you got a voucher for something else. The gun Moore was handed, he brought along himself and the entire piece was prepared weeks in advance.

    To call Moore a documentary filmmaker is an offence to people like Errol Morris and Alex Gibny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    Can't stand the man.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    morbidly stupid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    SamHarris wrote: »

    You honeslt cant think of anyone better in a country that sequenced the human genome, put a man on the moon and is at the cutting edge of IT? I weep for people these days...

    Hitler played a large part in putting a man on the moon.

    18 countries other than the states participate in the genome project.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Cianos wrote: »
    Biased and sensationalist, kinda like those he documents

    I agree that he is biased and sensationalist, but I think there is room for him in american media, so long as people don't take every little thing he says totally at face value. 'Greatest american alive' part made me laugh.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,057 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    His films are entertaining and the some of the points raised on the issues are valid, but don't for one second think they're proper documentaries,entertaining yet biased propaganda and nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    He's a great man. I like him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    I would agree with this. A lot of people seem to think that the Charlton Heston interview was great because it finally showed Heston up, but the man was sick at the time of the interview, having been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and was also ambushed at his own home. The questions Moore put to him in the interview were arguably unanswerable and quite difficult for a man that was not really in a healthy state of mind to be answering them.

    I was absolutley fooking disgusted when I saw that, waving the picture of the little girl after him, and the ridiculously edited footage of the rallys.
    How he had the neck to disrespect the man in such a way is beyond me.
    He deserved to get his fat ass kicked around the place for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Lady von Purple


    I liked his books when I was sixteen. Now, not so much. As about half the posters here have pointed out, the man is incredibly biased and his documentaries are very very deceptive. This is actually really worrying, because a LOT of people will take documentaries as fact, so he holds an awful lot of sway in America and the rest of the world and people assume he's the complete underdog he portrays himself as. With all the selective editing, leaving things out and inserting scenes in differing orders, there's very little fact to be found in his films. If you look into Roger and Me at all, you'll find massive glaring omissions that render most of the film wrong/misleading. The gun scene at the bank in Bowling for Columbine was such a blatant lie that I no longer have any semblance of respect for the man. Here, OP, throw a poll up there, would you? I'm curious, it seems to be about 60-40 against Moore in this thread, maybe more... Just wondering what the actual numbers are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Here, OP, throw a poll up there, would you? I'm curious, it seems to be about 60-40 against Moore in this thread, maybe more... Just wondering what the actual numbers are.


    According to Fox News 97% of people disagree with Michael Moore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Geekness1234


    I personally dislike him,because he's like a Broken record;constantly repeating things which makes me want to smack him.
    Is it just me,or does anyone think he's like the Sarah Palin of the left wing?Just my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    Cybercubed wrote: »
    I find him simply amazing, almost god like. Simply brilliant. Just imagine what it would be like if he was in charge of Ireland. Greatest living American?? I think so.

    I dont dislike the guy and he has done some good work but greatest living American? No way!

    Steve Jobs would be my choice,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭johnnycnandy


    Deluded idiotic hack


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Roger & Me was a brilliant social documentary that could still be made today, probably more relevant that it ever was. American dream my arse!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    I personally dislike him,because he's like a Broken record;constantly repeating things which makes me want to smack him.
    Is it just me,or does anyone think he's like the Sarah Palin of the left wing?Just my opinion.

    At least Sarah Palin has a MILF thing goin on!.

    He is just a big scruffy tub of Lard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭DjFlin


    Moore can be compared to organisations like PETA. He's the kind of guy who says "Right, I believe X is wrong, and its in the interest of the people to get rid of it." But instead of trying to get rid of it in a civilized way, he attacks it all out without regard for anything.

    You could also say hes a very black and white guy. He never seems capable of seeing the gray areas. Everything's either one or the other to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭tony007


    dixiefly wrote: »
    I dont dislike the guy and he has done some good work but greatest living American? No way!

    Steve Jobs would be my choice,
    Oh dear lord. Do you know many americans?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    SamHarris wrote: »
    Culture can be hypocritcal now to?

    The man is a fat mess, journalistically incompetant and dishonest, he has been routinely caught leaving out details that are key to understanding conscepts he insists on criticising.

    He is not even a good documentary maker, and even the best would be pretty far from the greatest living American.

    Even if your standards were television/ movies there is nothing you would consider better informed, more clever and more balanced? If there was some guy doing the same on the right he would be one of the most hated people on earth... This mans dishonesty is no less obvious than Bill O'Reilly's.

    You honeslt cant think of anyone better in a country that sequenced the human genome, put a man on the moon and is at the cutting edge of IT? I weep for people these days...

    O' Reilly is no where near as biased as Moore, if you said Hannity i'd agree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    Do some research, the guy is a liar and has connections with KFC and McDonalds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    Do some research, the guy is a liar and has connections with KFC and McDonalds.

    That doesn't surprise me funnily enough.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Greatest American ever is Stephen Colbert.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    His politics are poorly biased. Far from a Critical Thinker, which makes him not worth my time.

    He reached the height of his career when he released Canadian Bacon. it's been downhill from there.

    And yeah as someone pointed out above: I'd be more likely to listen to Bill O'Reilly than Moore. Thats how far I think Moore has slipped. F9/11 wasn't tooo bad but then when he came out with Sicko it was a really poor, poorly thought out documentary, skewed, and blatantly ignored telling all but one side of the situation. Trying to portray the French System as some sort of Utopia really put me off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    RichieC wrote: »
    Hitler played a large part in putting a man on the moon.

    I'd have said Wernher von Braun. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Moore's documentaries to me seem like they're missing a bit and the end like in the butt-grabber episode of The Simpsons. "Dramatisation, may not have happened!"

    +1 on Stephen Colbert though. The man is a legend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 Disleksic


    RichieC wrote: »
    he is biased and has an agenda.. give me more people like him and less like the "hard nosed" faux right that occupies these forums.

    So they're just pretending to be right wing then?

    As for that fat sack of sh1t Michael Moore, for an anti-capitalist he sure has a hell of a lot of money. Typical leftie hypocrite really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    after watching this youtube video it just affirms that Moore is an egocentric sack of shyte.


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