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FC Barcelona Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    aaronh007 wrote: »
    As much as I like our business this summer, I'd still like to see a proper CB brought in. As much as Masch and Sergio are capable of playing there, I'd much rather a strong CB. Although I'm also wondering what's happened to Marc Muniesa?? Was heralded as the next Pique no more than 2 seasons ago but haven't heard much since, other than a few paper stories linking him to United.

    Muniesa didnt make an appearance last season - Bartra and Fontàs seemed to move ahead with Fontàs being promoted to the first team.

    Perhaps they are hoping with the promotion of Fontàs and Puyo regaining fitness that its less of a concern though with Milito leaving I wouldnt mind seeing a CB being signed.

    RB is the bigger concern as it has less potential cover in my opinion.

    Thiago & Alexis doing the jizz
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Rodri to undergo a medical according to Sevilla - looks like a move to Barça B.


    EDIT: Keirrison gone back on loan this time to Cruzeiro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Terry Baddoo - Why No Team Can Match Barcelona's Brilliance
    (WFI) Barcelona - a byword for brilliance in the modern game. Their style, rooted in superb off the ball movement, quick and accurate passing, aggressive ball recovery, and the predatory instincts of Lionel Messi, surpassed even that of the great Brazilian side of 1970 last season, establishing the Catalans as the gold standard for quality football.

    Inevitably, because of their success, Barca have begun to spawn a number of imitators.

    In the Barclay’s English Premier League, for example, Arsenal copy the Catalans slavishly. And did anyone notice the Barca-esque goals scored by Anderson and Nani of Manchester United during the pre-season tour of the USA and Community Shield respectively?

    On the international stage, Argentina and Brazil each paid homage to Barcelona’s style during the group stages of the Copa America despite lacking the creativity to make it work. And even at the Women’s World Cup the comparisons between Japan and Barca were obvious as the Japanese passed their way to an unlikely world title.

    Imitation, of course, is the sincerest form of flattery, so it’s ironic that in trying to emulate the game’s greatest ever team the Barcelona wannabes can so easily shoot themselves in the foot.

    Arsenal, under Arsene Wenger, has been chasing the Barca dream since losing to the Catalans in the 2006 Champions League final, but the outcome, thus far, has merely served as a cautionary tale of promoting style over substance.

    Wenger’s Barcelona caricature having proved great to watch but ultimately unsuccessful, as evidenced by the Gunners’ lack of a trophy in the past six seasons.

    United, for all their pressing in the final third during the Community Shield, were twice caught on the break by Manchester City and had to play their get-out-of-jail free card to snatch an unlikely victory courtesy of a defensive mistake.

    Argentina, even with a Barcelona presence that included Messi, produced only a pale imitation of the Spaniards’ tiki-taka style during the early part of the Copa America and ultimately joined Brazil, whose talented individuals never gelled as a team, in making an ignominious exit in the quarter-finals of a tournament each had been tipped to win.

    Only the Japanese women managed to make the mimicry work consistently. Even then they had to compromise, as their World Cup final victory over the USA came in the wake of a gritty rather than stylish display that marked their least Barca-like performance of the tournament.

    Barca's Total Team Ethic is Unmatched

    So, if Barcelona’s style is universally acknowledged as “the way to play football”, why is it largely ineffective when adopted by others?

    After all, in essence it’s not hard to understand. Play on the floor, keep possession, pass and move, create angles and options, and, when you do lose the ball, put a full-court press on the other team so you can to get it back as soon as possible. So how come it’s so hard to copy?

    Here’s my take. Theory and execution are obviously two different things, and Barca are currently playing an idealistic form of football with technical ability, stamina, timing and a speed of thought that verges on automaton. It’s almost like watching a computerized form of the game where every move and movement is etched on a microchip available for instant replication time and again.

    For example, during last season’s European Champions League final against Manchester United Barca made a staggering 777 passes, more than double that of their opponents. They enjoyed a whopping 69% of possession. Xavi alone made a tournament high 148 passes and managed a success rate of 95.3%! That’s machine-like but emblematic of the whole team, which boasted a successful pass rate of 90%.

    Barca’s precision and work rate makes the complex look deceptively simple, when in reality it’s a classic case of “Don’t try this at home".

    But it’s more than just the technical prowess of the players that makes their style hard to copy it’s also their human qualities.

    Many top teams might be able to match Barcelona for industry and individual artistry but none can equal their united approach to the game. This, as everyone knows, is a golden generation of virtuosos, however, by some strange alchemy it’s also been uniquely combined into a unit that’s even greater than the sum of its parts.

    Barca don’t play the blame game. When a move breaks down for whatever reason you never see hands thrown in the air or lip read a barrage of abuse between one team-mate and another. It’s an all for one and one for all mentality. Let’s re-group, recover, and start again with no recriminations.

    What’s more, Barca don’t cater to fragile egos. For example, look at what a short stay Zlatan Ibrahimovic enjoyed at the Camp Nou despite his goal-scoring prowess. If you can’t put the needs of the team above your own you’re out!

    Consequently, what we’re seeing in Pep Guardiola’s men is not just total football but a total team ethic applied by a perfect storm of individual talent. It’s a star team within which no-one is considered a star, despite the plaudits ladled on Messi by those on the outside.

    No wonder then that even sides with great players of their own fail to reproduce what Barcelona do.

    You can buy great, as the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester City, Chelsea, and Manchester United have done, but you can’t buy empathy, and without that key ingredient attempting to play the Barcelona way is a hit and miss affair that can even negate some of the qualities your team does possess.

    So, while Barca play the beautiful game it’s my belief that you seek to imitate them at your peril. There’s only one Mona Lisa, there’s only one Hope Diamond, there’s only one Barcelona, and lightning in a bottle is rarely captured twice.

    worldfootballinsider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    There is one team that is almost emulating the so-called Barça style, and doing so very effectively and they are Borussia Dortmund. Ralf Ragnick has set them up in such a way that the way they pass and move, press quickly and fast when they don't have the ball is very similar to Barça's and in fairness they have an excellent team too. Recently, Beckenbauer noted that Mario Gotze, Dortmund's main playmaker can be Germany's Messi. But imo (vastly greater than Der Kaiser's :p), he'd be more similar to Iniesta in the way he plays or even a hybrid of Messi and Iniesta. Going to be a very interesting prospect in the Champions League.

    Sorry for going OT but the way the article said that no team can reproduce the way Barça play got me thinking about Dortmund. If Dortmund are playing and you've nothing to do for the evening, you really should watch them play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    aaronh007 wrote: »
    Sorry for going OT but the way the article said that no team can reproduce the way Barça play got me thinking about Dortmund. If Dortmund are playing and you've nothing to do for the evening, you really should watch them play.

    Hate articles like that anyway, Cruyff's Ajax played with the same style in the 70s, so it's just a credit that Barcelona are so adept at it, they did not 'create' the philosophy, they just happen to be the best team ever to implement it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Hate articles like that anyway, Cruyff's Ajax played with the same style in the 70s, so it's just a credit that Barcelona are so adept at it, they did not 'create' the philosophy, they just happen to be the best team ever to implement it.

    I wouldnt agree that Ajax played exactly the same style.

    Cruyff and Michels brought 'Total Football' to Barça who in turn adapted and mastered it by means of tiki-taca.

    For me its a more advanced style of play - the ball is moved more - requires better technical players.

    In sum: Tiki-taca > Total Football.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,912 ✭✭✭SeantheMan


    A great interview with Graham Hunter about the whole Cesc Fabregas saga on Newstalk last night. Can listen back to it below, bout 15mins long.

    http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/monday/1/popup

    Monday15th / Part1 @ 40min mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    SeantheMan wrote: »
    A great interview with Graham Hunter about the whole Cesc Fabregas saga on Newstalk last night. Can listen back to it below, bout 15mins long.

    http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/monday/1/popup

    Monday15th / Part1 @ 40min mark
    Interesting talk from Graham Hunter, but that presenter is the epitome of being uninformed & ignorance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Not heard it, but I assume it was Ken Early?

    Early seems to like "taking on" Hunter, and it is embarrassing how much Hunter outdoes early.

    Its like a 1st yar school debater taking on an English literary student from Trinity who is capatain of the debating society.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Pyongyang


    miralize wrote: »

    Welcome home Cesc!!! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Wow, early came across as a pure twat, if I'm being honest. Anyways here was very nice article I read by Mr Hunter lately.
    It was significant that the longest answer Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola gave after winning the Champions League final in May concerned Lionel Messi. Guardiola is a coach who consistently emphasises the group over the individual. The pass over the dribble.

    Indeed, in his final training session before his debut game at the Mini Estadi as coach of Barcelona B, back in 2007, he could be heard shouting: “I don’t want you to be so individual, stop trying to be Leo Messi, keep passing… pass, pass, pass. It’s about moving the ball through the team, not about one individual.”

    At Wembley, Guardiola was celebrating a team triumph with three different goalscorers, with stories of individual excellence right across the pitch and a finale where the captain’s armband, and trophy, were handed to Eric Abidal to celebrate his brave fight against a liver tumour.

    But when the Barcelona coach was asked for an appreciation of Messi’s performance he set his normal rules aside and let something close to adoration flood out. “Messi is the one who makes the difference, who takes us to another level,” was part of the Catalan’s reaction.

    “We have excellent players, great team work, tactics, we work hard but it’s Messi that takes us to another level. He’ll never be repeated. He’s the best player I’ve ever seen, the best player I’ll ever coach. I just hope that he doesn’t get bored in the future: we have to see to that.

    “I just hope that the club has the intelligence to make sure we sign the players he’ll be comfortable having around him and he stays as calm and such a centred personality, because if we do that then he never fails.”

    There were myriad messages in there as, in the passion of the moment, Guardiola dropped his guard a little and spoke from the heart as well as the head. Why did he mention boredom and the need to sign players who were the ‘right type’ for Messi?

    The corroboration of the latter point came during the summer when Messi explained the importance of the atmosphere and team spirit at Barcelona. “The important fact is that we enjoy a really healthy spirit at the training-ground and in the team dressing-room,” Messi confirmed. “From my point of view, there are a few guys around with whom I’ve been playing or sharing rooms in La Masia with since the youth ranks. Right now I’ve got an excellent relationship with every single guy in our squad and I think that perhaps that helps explain how easy it is for all of us to get ‘extra’ from our play when it comes to matches – particularly difficult ones.”

    There’s no need to make Zlatan Ibrahimovic seem like some sort of villain in this piece, because his numbers and his trophy haul at the Camp Nou were more than adequate. But when Guardiola talks about signing the right type of player, and avoiding mistakes, the two key examples would be Javier Mascherano and Ibrahimovic.

    Mascherano and Messi happen to have been born and brought up within about half an hour’s drive of each other. Shared references, shared culture. But the key part of the midfielder’s added value to the dressing-room has been his ootball vision, tremendous work ethic and an outstandingly easy-going nature. Messi adores him and Mascherano’s arrival has been 100% positive in every aspect.

    Ibrahimovic added technique and physical attributes to Barcelona but admitted that he was deliberately ‘static’ in a lot of games because he preferred the freedom to play as the whim took him; he occupied what is now Messi’s favourite position and generally shunned the all-for-one mentality which helps make the team so strong. The Swede became a thorn in Messi’s side, on and off the pitch, and despite 21 goals and nine assists, plus four trophies, he was shipped out.

    What’s now more important than whether he can keep them in their No 1 position is whether they have the wit and the vision to ensure they protect, stimulate and maintain their brilliant asset
    And Guardiola’s point about boredom? Obviously he meant it generically. What many people cannot be expected to understand is how the demands of a superstar footballer, and parts of the life they lead, dull even the sharpest cutting edge. Sadly very few of the potentially ‘great’ footballers are born with a full wardrobe of talents and character strength.

    Once you are paid vast wealth every week and money becomes next to irrelevant, the requests of sponsors, the club, advertisers and media can wear and tear at the hungriest of appetites: the constant travel, the constant training, the same faces in the press conferences and, worse, the same damn questions.

    For the moment Guardiola can rest assured that Messi’s situation is radically different. Under the coach, Barcelona is run with military efficiency and anyone who steps out of line, the president included, will be subject to a Guardiola court-martial.

    But in Guardiola’s words, there was just a hint of how the coach imagines the future might unfold. The burnout factor is very high at Barcelona and Guardiola himself admitted last February that if he could sign for a six-month extension every time, in order to allow himself more liberty of decision-making, he would.

    He’s contracted until the end of the coming season and, who knows, if things are going swimmingly then perhaps he’ll renew again. But in his words about hoping “the club has the intelligence to make sure we sign the players he’ll be comfortable having around him”, there was a gentle hint that Guardiola envisages a day when Messi will still be at the Camp Nou but he won’t be.

    I’m certain that Sandro Rosell will make a sound, intelligent president during his reign but it is a natural, repetitive desire from every president of a great club to make a signing which will become part of his ‘legacy’ – a player who will be solely identified with that particular president and for whose success he can claim credit.

    So far Rosell’s record isn’t too bad. Thanks to his connections with Nike and Brazil, he was part of the intricate negotiations to take Ronaldo to Barcelona from PSV in 1996 and was the principal reason Ronaldinho chose Barcelona over Manchester United in 2003.

    But if there is a presidentially-driven ‘marquee’ signing aimed at emulating Messi’s impact on the club, will Rosell’s sole and guiding criterion be that the new man possess the qualities which make him fit with Messi and exhibit the same relentless work ethic as the current team? It would seem debatable. If not Neymar, and if not this transfer window, then a player like him, with bags of talent but questionable maturity, would be a gamble typical of Rosell.

    But already Rosell has Leo Messi, one of the all-time greats. Barcelona have helped him become the best in the world and he has done the same for them. What’s now more important than whether he can keep them in their No 1 position is whether they have the wit and the vision to ensure they protect, stimulate and maintain their brilliant asset. History is definitely against them on that one – and that was Pep Guardiola’s point on that stunning night at Wembley last May.

    Source


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Barcelona's prodigal son, Cesc Fábregas, returns home at last
    Pep Guardiola was telling the truth all those years ago when he told the midfielder he would one day wear Barcelona's No4 shirt.

    When Francesc Fábregas was growing up, there was one possession he treasured above all the others: a Barcelona shirt signed by Pep Guardiola. The former Barcelona ballboy who became the club captain, a Catalan and the metronome that kept the Dream Team ticking over from the middle of midfield, Guardiola was everything that Fábregas wanted to be. No wonder he was so enamoured with that shirt. On it, Guardiola had written: "One day you will be Barcelona's No4."

    Now he is. There was a squeal as he emerged from the tunnel at the Camp Nou, then a huge roar from the fans who had turned out to see him – perhaps as many as 20,000. Although Barcelona had taken advantage of a bank holiday and it was a glorious day, it was not the best-attended presentation in history and could not compete with the 80,000 who packed the Santiago Bernabéu to see Cristiano Ronaldo make his way down a catwalk. But nor did it matter: this was different.

    Eight long years later, the prodigal son returned. He recovered his original colours: blaugrana, blue and purple. A Barcelona kit with "Fabregas, 4" on the back. And although Fábregas sheepishly conceded that "it doesn't really matter", to him it does. At Barcelona, it is more than a number: it is an identity and Fábregas was grateful to Thiago Alcântara – "a star" – for ceding him the shirt. Here he was, a ball at his feet on the Camp Nou pitch wearing his shirt. "I was a bit nervous," he admitted. And when the fans chanted for him to kiss the Barcelona badge, he did.

    Empty gesture? Hardly. Barcelona are conscious of the need to add depth to the squad and secure succession after Xavi. They are also deeply aware of the difficulties outsiders often have in adapting to Barcelona's style.

    "Barça DNA" has become the cliche. But the emotional, almost political need to bring one of their own home – a Catalan and a Barcelona product, clearly locatable on that midfield continuum from Guardiola to De la Peña to Xavi to Iniesta and Thiago – does help to explain the zealousness of the pursuit.

    Officially, Fábregas will pay Arsenal €1m a year, his salary dropping from €4m to €3m to facilitate the move. He refused to countenance offers from Manchester City and Real Madrid. Had it not been for Barcelona, he says he would have stayed where he was. The reason was simple: many players claim to play for their childhood club; Fábregas really will. There was a hint of sadness in departing Arsenal but this was what he wanted. Arsène Wenger said: "This was not about money, it was about him going home."

    In the Paris room at Camp Nou, across the gangway from the stadium, tourists milling around below, two screens showed footage of Fábregas playing for Barcelona as a kid. There he was ploughing across gravel pitches to a soundtrack of Police's Every Breath You Take. A couple more familiar faces flickered across the screen: Gerard Piqué, Fábregas's best friend. Leo Messi, the kid they nicknamed "el mudo", the mute one, when they were kids in the days when Fábregas travelled by taxi from Arenys for training every day. "I have known and played with two of [the current squad] since I was thirteen," Fábregas said.

    He had departed a 16-year-old, Arsenal taking advantage of a power vacuum to bring him to London with the promise of first-team football within two years. They were as good as their word and both Fábregas and Guardiola have been quick to credit Wenger with his development. Deep down Fábregas wondered if one day he would return home. He described it here as a train that he always aspired to catch; what he did not know is if he would be able to. When he renewed his Arsenal contract four years ago, he thought not. When the possibility emerged, Arsenal would not let him climb aboard.

    On Monday he did. "I have come home," Fábregas said. "These have been weeks and months that have been very hard for me; I have suffered – I didn't know what would happen in the future. There were talks and talks and talks and I saw that it wasn't ending and I was unsure what would happen. I am so glad it has been resolved now." Almost as pleased as the president Sandro Rosell: he had succeeded where his predecessor and rival Joan Laporta had not.

    But much of the normal cynicism did not appear to fit here. From the doorway to the club's offices, with its huge Barcelona badge, to the pitch where, up in the stands, his mother, tall and striking, applauded. Francesc senior stared silently at his son, the picture of a proud papa. Sister Carlota was there too. The whole family was.

    Kick-ups done, everyone headed to the Paris room. They took their seats, shifting each other along, shooting inquisitive looks each others' way, giggling and joking, as they nudged each other along – you here, no here – like a family occupying pews at a wedding. Before them stood Fábregas, who left eight years ago, departing home at 16. He has been in London a third of his life. To his left sat the vice-president Josep María Bartomeu and alongside him the sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta.

    In his hand, a Barcelona shirt. No4 on the back.

    Sid Lowe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Tonights match will possibly be the last time we see Barca play for a while. The footballers union are supposedly going ahead with the strike, which might last up to two game weeks.

    What's most worrying is that Barca players wont even be able to train, or play in Joan Gamper Cup and European Supercup (which is the week after) :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    redout wrote: »
    Barcelona's prodigal son, Cesc Fábregas, returns home at last

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    miralize wrote: »
    Tonights match will possibly be the last time we see Barca play for a while. The footballers union are supposedly going ahead with the strike, which might last up to two game weeks.

    What's most worrying is that Barca players wont even be able to train, or play in Joan Gamper Cup and European Supercup (which is the week after) :(

    Aye, I read that also - seems absolute bollox.

    Pep wont be impressed if not allowed to train.

    That said, cant see the strike fully going ahead anyways.

    They threatened this shite last season also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Just read on the club website that Pep could field an entire La Masia starting 11 this season.

    They make-up more than half the 21 man squad this season!

    Valdés, Puyol, Fontàs, Busquets, Piqué, Xavi, Thiago, Cesc, Pedro, Messi, Iniesta

    You would actually fancy that side to beat anyone.

    Seems the jizz just keeps flowing............:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    miralize wrote: »
    Tonights match will possibly be the last time we see Barca play for a while. The footballers union are supposedly going ahead with the strike, which might last up to two game weeks.

    What's most worrying is that Barca players wont even be able to train, or play in Joan Gamper Cup and European Supercup (which is the week after) :(


    Ah these strikes never go ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    L'prof wrote: »
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    L'prof wrote: »
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    Here's some real puking for you!



    Messi apparently not quite back to full fitness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    JPA wrote: »
    Ah these strikes never go ahead.

    Weekend games definitely off according to Sky Sports. Maybe the following weekend as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


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    Pep has now equalled Cruyff as the most successful manager in Barça's history in terms of trophies.

    Xavi has become the clubs most decorated player with 17 honours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Messi is the best player in the history of the game at one twos. It's amazing how well he works space for himself using a one two in close quarters with Pedro/ Vill/ Alves/ Iniesta...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Messi is the best player in the history of the game

    Fixed that :D

    Aye, just imagine if you added San Andrés close ball control to Messi's repertoire.

    Messi has 13 goals against Madrid now - only a matter of time before di Stéfano's Clásico record will fall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Fabregas equalled his trophy haul at arsenal.

    52,000+ hours at Arsenal - 1 trophy
    48 at Barcelona - 1 trophy


    :p


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Who's the lad between Thiago and Affellay?

    Messi at this stage can only be described as very good. He's gone through all the superlatives and we're back at the start:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭Dolph Starbeam


    Does this mean Cesc has already equalled the number of trophies won during his time at Arsenal after being here only 3 days? :D

    Edit oops just seen eZe got there before me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    LoL - Lovin it
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Davaeo09


    redout wrote: »
    LoL - Lovin it
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    too lazy to google translate! what's it say? :D

    Brilliant win tonight, we didn't look any way near our best but we can still beat our closest rivals :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    dfx- wrote: »
    Who's the lad between Thiago and Affellay?

    Muniesa.


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