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Is David Norris Toast?

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  • #1322
    northkildare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭northkildare


    my point is they would be turned down because of ther views on children just because they are gay.

    I believe they should be allowed adopt and david should be allowed marry Ezra or Cathal O' Searcaigh should he wish and we should not judge him on his choices.

    I still think they would make some big changes in this backward country and would raise kids in a normal upbringing and thats why many of us still support him because his cause his is our cause and we should never forget that.

    People need to open ther mind to these talented men as they speak for our community and for that they must get credit


  • #1323
    The Volt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    I still see all of the social media sites awash with 'Norris is the most suited for the presidency'.

    Why? Why was he ever the most suited?


  • #1324
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It's called an opinion.

    You can safely say his gayness didn't bother some people?


    I am sure it did, but no more so than some are bother about Sean Gallagher being a former member of FF, no more so than some would be bothered by Mary Davis being a woman, no more so than some would be bothered about Michael D being a rabid socialist, to therefore say everyone is against him because he is gay is ludicrous. I have no problem with his sexuality, it is bottom of the list of my problems with him.


  • #1325
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    northkildare wrote: »
    my point is they would be turned down because of ther views on children just because they are gay.

    Does being gay change your moral and ethical views on what is right and what is wrong, does being gay change the rights of children in legal terms?


  • #1326
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    northkildare wrote: »
    David Norris and Ezra and Cathal O' Searcaigh have been very badly treated by the irish media.

    I completely disagree, O Searcaigh would have been hounded out of the country if he had been heterosexual and had done what he did with a teenage girl.


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  • #1327
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    northkildare wrote: »
    David Norris and Ezra and Cathal O' Searcaigh have been very badly treated by the irish media.

    They have less rights than the rest of the country, They fought long and hard to be allowed by law to adopt children. And with great credit to these guys the community must stand by them and give full support.

    It is 2011 and its a disgrace that david, ezra and cathal cannot adopt kids, it is so anti gay, shame on fine gael.


    Yeah, O'Searcaigh would love to adopt a kid, no more travelling to Nepal to get laid. Do you hurt yourself much during this flip flops ya do on your opinions so you can troll both ways?


  • #1328
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    I am sure it did, but no more so than some are bother about Sean Gallagher being a former member of FF, no more so than some would be bothered by Mary Davis being a woman, no more so than some would be bothered about Michael D being a rabid socialist, to therefore say everyone is against him because he is gay is ludicrous. I have no problem with his sexuality, it is bottom of the list of my problems with him.


    I'm not suggesting you do. But I do think some people are put off by him because he is gay and because he is camp. That is different to being the things you mentioned.


  • #1329
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting you do. But I do think some people are put off by him because he is gay and because he is camp. That is different to being the things you mentioned.

    Its not one bit different, it is someones opinion, what is the difference between someone not wanting to vote for someone because they are a woman and not wanting to vote for someone because they are gay? People have different opinions and if thats why someone doesn't want to vote for him that's fine. It seems that the vast majority of people posting against his candidacy in this couldn't care less about his sexuality. Makes your whole point rather moot.


  • #1330
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    This matter is quite complicated enough without getting involved in matters of adoption and marriages etc !


  • #1331
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting you do. But I do think some people are put off by him because he is gay and because he is camp. That is different to being the things you mentioned.

    Would it be equally wrong for some people to support him because he is gay?


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  • #1332
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    I despise the Senate and every person who sits in it. To me it is a total affront to this democratic republic. I find it sickening and repulsive that Enda Kenny and others recently rewarded their propagandist foot soldiers by giving them a seat in that place. I also find it repulsive that people who were REJECTED by the electorate in February should now have their big fat arses resting in those comfortable Senate seats. We all saw the complete cock-up they made of the Callelly incident. I read last week that a former Senator who lost his seat last time is now spending time in a recording studio indulging his hubris at trying to record an album :rolleyes:, whilst living off his bloated pension despite the fact that he's still a relatively young man (he obviously won't be signing on anytime soon).

    If these Norris and Callelly incidents foreshorten the future life of the Senate, then it will be a job well done.

    Well the ironic thing is that David Norris is one of the people whom many would have pointed out as an example of independent people who make the senate worthwhile.


  • #1333
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    I have no problem with his sexuality, it is bottom of the list of my problems with him.

    Did you mean the pun?


  • #1334
    northkildare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭northkildare


    just because the 3 men are friends and gay and have different views on young men than straight people dosnt make them bad people.

    david is right when he says gay people should be favoured a bit more in court than straight people.

    david norris and Cathal O' Searcaigh are still legends within our community, they have done so much for young people and yet will still refuse to give them credit and thats what upsets us most.

    we had a meeting tonight and most of us agreed david has been given a raw deal by the media and thats why we still back him, why should a young man in a different country prevent a man who has done so much for us from been president.


  • #1335
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    HarryPotter41 wrote: »
    Its not one bit different, it is someones opinion, what is the difference between someone not wanting to vote for someone because they are a woman and not wanting to vote for someone because they are gay? People have different opinions and if thats why someone doesn't want to vote for him that's fine. It seems that the vast majority of people posting against his candidacy in this couldn't care less about his sexuality. Makes your whole point rather moot.

    If you bring gender, sexuality, race, religion etc into consideration when voting, that is seriously inappropriate and wrong.


  • #1336
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    northkildare wrote: »
    ...and Cathal O' Searcaigh are still legends within our community, they have done so much for young people...

    E.g. buying those young Nepalese boys all those lovely gifts?


  • #1337
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    northkildare wrote: »
    just because the 3 men are friends and gay and have different views on young men than straight people dosnt make them bad people.

    david is right when he says gay people should be favoured a bit more in court than straight people.

    david norris and Cathal O' Searcaigh are still legends within our community, they have done so much for young people and yet will still refuse to give them credit and thats what upsets us most.

    we had a meeting tonight and most of us agreed david has been given a raw deal by the media and thats why we still back him, why should a young man in a different country prevent a man who has done so much for us from been president.

    Quite honestly, the media has bent over backwards to be kind towards Norris, a privilege not afforded to Helen Lucy Burke.


  • #1338
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If you bring gender, sexuality, race, religion etc into consideration when voting, that is seriously inappropriate and wrong.

    Why, if you take all of the above away, why even vote then? we would be the same


  • #1339
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting you do. But I do think some people are put off by him because he is gay and because he is camp. That is different to being the things you mentioned.

    Hang on a second. A few months ago Liveline ran a phone poll about who listeners would vote for to be the next President, and Norris won it by a country mile. I don't think his sexuality came into the equation one way or the other for most listeners and it certainly didn't seem to put them off voting for him.

    I think you're doing a dissservice to the majority of the people of Ireland to state that people have it in for him because he is gay or camp. Norris, and Norris alone, is responsible for what's happened subsequently through his arrogance and complete lack of judgment. Playing the gay card is so predictable.


  • #1340
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    Would it be equally wrong for some people to support him because he is gay?

    Doesn't that go without saying?


  • #1341
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0903/deathrow.html?view=print%3Fview%3Dprint

    Why he picked this particular death row candidate seems puzzling.
    Because he murdered someone because he was opposed to murder!

    Keep up at the back, lads.


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  • #1342
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Because he murdered someone because he was opposed to murder!

    Keep up at the back, lads.

    My puzzlement was meant to imply irony. Mitchell is a pro-life nut.


  • #1343
    northkildare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭northkildare


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    E.g. buying those young Nepalese boys all those lovely gifts?

    he is gay so its kinda different and many would agree, its his life and how he lives it has notting to do with us. david has tried time and time again to make this point and he speaks for the gay community, Why is he still getting yes votes on boards, it aint straight people voting


  • #1344
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Doesn't that go without saying?

    Well both wrongs should go without saying, but only one keeps being repeated and I don't hear much criticism of his support who just want a homosexual man in the Aras because he is a homosexual, a pretty patronising view which should be criticised.


  • #1345
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    northkildare wrote: »
    he is gay so its kinda different and many would agree, its his life and how he lives it has notting to do with us.

    He is an Irish citizen who went abroad having sex with boys under the Irish age of consent, even though the act was committed abroad and was legal in Nepal it is still a crime in Ireland and can be prosecuted here so it does have something to do with us.


  • #1346
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    northkildare wrote: »
    he is gay so its kinda different and many would agree, its his life and how he lives it has notting to do with us.

    He is an Irish citizen who went abroad having sex with boys under the Irish age of consent, even though the act was committed abroad and was legal in Nepal it is still a crime in Ireland and can be prosecuted here so it does have something to do with us.

    Fair play to that journalist for bringing all this to light,could you imagine the embarrassment if he was elected and it came out after he was in the Aras.
    We dodged a bullet on this guy,we need a clean living person as our president not some predator lusting at every young teenage male that enters Aras an uachtarain.


  • #1347
    northkildare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭northkildare


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    He is an Irish citizen who went abroad having sex with boys under the Irish age of consent, even though the act was committed abroad and was legal in Nepal it is still a crime in Ireland and can be prosecuted here so it does have something to do with us.

    have they not thought people in school that what choices gay people make should be respected. its a lifestyle choice, people need to check out some gay websites and see many agree with david.


  • #1348
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    beagle001 wrote: »
    Fair play to that journalist for bringing all this to light,could you imagine the embarrassment if he was elected and it came out after he was in the Aras.
    We dodged a bullet on this guy,we need a clean living person as our president not some predator lusting at every young teenage male that enters Aras an uachtarain.

    Whoa, hold on there, I think you're either confused or misrepresenting the story hugely.


  • #1349
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    He is an Irish citizen who went abroad having sex with boys under the Irish age of consent,

    +1 .. I think it's shocking that northkildare would consider Cathal O'Searcaigh a hero of the gay community.. His exploitation of the poor boys in Katmandu was disgraceful. If he was a straight Irish poet, who had had sex with 16 year old girls in Katmandu, he would be roundly condemned and vilified. But because he is gay, the media here is afraid to call a spade a spade..

    What O'Searcaigh did was WRONG.. And what Norris did (by sending the letter in defence of Ezra Yitzhak) was also WRONG.. Morality, not sexual orientation, is the issue here..


  • #1350
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    Well both wrongs should go without saying, but only one keeps being repeated and I don't hear much criticism of his support who just want a homosexual man in the Aras because he is a homosexual, a pretty patronising view which should be criticised.

    Homosexual? Are you living in another era. People say gay now.


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  • #1351
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Homosexual or gay are both the same thing,it's probably more polite to call him homosexual.
    People don't have a problem with this it's his views on teenage sodomy that his partner was convicted off comitting and now his arrogance to the whole affair.
    An old saying in Ireland tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.


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