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Bill O'Reilly: No True Christian would kill Norwegians.

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  • #62
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    In your opinion. I however think otherwise. Live with it.
    You simply don't have the mental capacity at birth to even comprehend such a thing, to say that you were born with knowledge of the existence of a deity is in fact ridiculous.

    It also means you're a little loco.


  • #63
    oldrnwisr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭oldrnwisr


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    Ive always known there is a god, I was born with this knowledge as far as I am concerned, thats my belief and I am entitled to it.

    There is a big difference between belief and knowledge. Making a claim to knowledge as you have done is not something that you can throw out there and then retreat behind the shield of "I'm entitled to my beliefs." As has been oft-quoted on this forum:

    "You are entitled to your own beliefs. You're not entitled to your own facts."

    So, how do you know there's a God? What evidence do you have?


  • #64
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    Malty_T wrote: »

    I should carry the same level of skepticism towards your post as well?

    Yes!
    Malty_T wrote: »

    You say no one represents God except Christ, the thing is Christ never wrote anything down, not a single word, so why should I trust you, are you a follower of Christ?

    I am but you don't have to believe me or trust me. I don't care, Each to his/her own. I however am pretty sure your intentions towards me are not good, if you desire to make a fool out of me so you can have a little inner gloat well thats your business.
    Malty_T wrote: »
    Or worse are you mistakenly trying to sway me away from the true path of Christ with your good intentions?

    I am not trying to do anything nor do I have any intentions for you. I have enough on my plate thanks.

    Malty_T wrote: »
    Anyone could claim to be God, or be representing Him, how can you know they are lying if you're not God yourself?

    I don't, It's called faith. You can call it Blind faith if you like. It doesn't change what I believe. I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am stating what I believe. Sorry to dissapoint, I am not going to start hitting you with excerpts from the NT as christian apologists would.

    I would prefer if you could ALL proceed with the thread and get over your fixation with my faith. I have faith in something you don't agree with, I appear foolish to you, You get a kick out of denouncing what I say, I get it now lets move on. We disagree, I get it.


  • #65
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    to say that you were born with knowledge of the existence of a deity is in fact ridiculous.

    Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!


  • #66
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    oldrnwisr wrote: »
    There is a big difference between belief and knowledge. Making a claim to knowledge as you have done is not something that you can throw out there and then retreat behind the shield of "I'm entitled to my beliefs." As has been oft-quoted on this forum:

    "You are entitled to your own beliefs. You're not entitled to your own facts."

    So, how do you know there's a God? What evidence do you have?

    Belief in god as a fact is faith, otherwise its just hope. I have my experiences as evidence enough for myself, get over it and move on.


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  • #67
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    I don't, It's called faith. You can call it Blind faith if you like. It doesn't change what I believe. I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am stating what I believe
    Ive always known there is a god, I was born with this knowledge

    You are claiming to know that there is a God, not merely to believe it.
    You are also claiming to have had this knowledge from an age at which you lacked any kind of higher mental functioning.
    If you're going to state something as a fact then you should be ready to defend it and be called out when it doesn't add up.

    You could have stated instead: "I've always believed there is a god, I believed it for as long as I remember".
    The arguments would still be there because we like to argue on the the internet, but they'd probably be more light-hearted


  • #68
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    Belief in god as a fact is faith, otherwise its just hope. I have my experiences as evidence enough for myself, get over it and move on.
    I thought you had this knowledge when you were born? :confused: Did these ''experiences'' occur in the womb?


  • #69
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You simply don't have the mental capacity at birth to even comprehend such a thing, to say that you were born with knowledge of the existence of a deity is in fact ridiculous.

    It also means you're a little loco.

    mental capacity and comprehension have nothing to do with the soul.
    If you want to say I am crazy because I believe in a soul then thats your opinion. Enjoy it.


  • #70
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you seem rather unconcerned with what we believe, or what we think of your belief. yet you seem very concentrated on talking to us about it.


  • #71
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    mental capacity and comprehension have nothing to do with the soul.
    If you want to say I am crazy because I believe in a soul then thats your opinion. Enjoy it.
    Did you believe in a soul when you were born too?


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  • #72
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I thought you had this knowledge when you were born? :confused: Did these ''experiences'' occur in the womb?

    I dont want to tell you everything about my personal life Please stop talking to me. experience only confirmed what I already felt in my gut instict, to be true.


  • #73
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    I dont want to tell you everything about my personal life Please stop talking to me. experience only confirmed what I already felt in my gut instict, to be true.
    So you had a gut instinct when you were born?


  • #74
    magicbastarder
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    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    Please stop talking to me.
    if you don't want people to talk to you about it, here's a tip: stop posting about your belief on a public discussion forum.


  • #75
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    In your opinion. I however think otherwise. Live with it.

    Do you mean to say that your brain is genetically predisposed to belief in a deity?


  • #76
    oldrnwisr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭oldrnwisr


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    Belief in god as a fact is faith, otherwise its just hope. I have my experiences as evidence enough for myself, get over it and move on.

    Faith is not a path to knowledge. Knowledge is derived from facts within your possession.

    As AronRa has said:

    "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

    So out with it. How do you know there is a God?

    BTW, as for your "get over it" quip, this is a discussion forum. If you're not prepared to stand behind or discuss the points you make then why are you here?


  • #77
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    I am but you don't have to believe me or trust me. I don't care, Each to his/her own. I however am pretty sure your intentions towards me are not good, if you desire to make a fool out of me so you can have a little inner gloat well thats your business....
    I appear foolish to you, You get a kick out of denouncing what I say, I get it now lets move on. We disagree, I get it.

    My intentions towards you "are not good"? That's very presumptuous to say the least. I don't know if this disappoints you or not, but I don't get any such kick. I just have to ask you about the concept of salvation and the after life? Do you think there is a hell and stuff? If so, where do you see yourself when you die and where do yourself of ten years younger if that person were to die? :)


  • #78
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Did you believe in a soul when you were born too?

    What is this childeshness? Why should I answer you huh? when your firing personal questions at me mockingly. I actually don't want to communicate with you so please stop addressing me.


  • #79
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    What is this childeshness? Why should I answer you huh? when your firing personal questions at me mockingly. I actually don't want to communicate with you so please stop addressing me.
    I'm just looking for clarification on how you attained such knowledge as a new born baby, if you can't explain that then just say so, if you can't show how that is possible in any way then just so.


  • #80
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    Malty_T wrote: »
    My towards you "are not good"? That's very presumptuous to say the least. I don't know if this disappoints you or not, but I don't get any such kick. I just have to ask you about the concept of salvation and the after life? Do you think there is a hell and stuff? If so, where do you see yourself when you die and where do yourself of ten years younger if that person were to die? :)

    I believe in an afterlife. I dont know the details. I try not to see myself dieing as I quite enjoy living.


  • #81
    magicbastarder
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    the cake is a lie.


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  • #82
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I'm just looking for clarification on how you attained such knowledge as a new born baby, if you can't explain that then just say so, if you can't show how that is possible in any way then just so.

    How do babys know how to swim, breath etc when they are born? Maybe it's instinct.

    I cant explain it to you because I do not know HOW and I never said I did know how, I just said its always been there with me in my life.


  • #83
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    I believe in an afterlife. I dont know the details. I try not to see myself dieing as I quite enjoy living.

    We have a few atheists in this forum who believe in an afterlife as well.:) That's understandable too, I don't like thinking of my own morality either. I guess, the obvious question now is do you believe in justice and punishment. Like, will Mr Brevik go to a place like hell or something.Or are you agnostic on those details?


  • #84
    magicbastarder
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    We have a few atheists in this forum who believe in an afterlife as well.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmZYIyySxPE


  • #85
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So you had a gut instinct when you were born?
    To quote one of the BBC's greatest, but least known, radio sitcoms:
    Ambassador McKenzie wrote:
    I prefer to react with the contents of my head, rather than the contents of my stomach.


  • #86
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    you seem rather unconcerned with what we believe, or what we think of your belief. yet you seem very concentrated on talking to us about it.

    I am answering questions.


  • #87
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm going to guess that you're pretty young. Wait until you or a family member actually have children, you'll realise that you're born with practically no innate knowledge.
    Your body doesn't even know how to do some of its core functions at birth - like temperature regulation and vision. The idea that a knowledge of God exists from birth is just completely off the wall.

    I'm not pretty young, Im married and probably older than you , my family has lots of kids.


  • #88
    Turtwig
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmZYIyySxPE

    :o I was actually being serious.


  • #89
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    why do you have to sexualise it? I think that says more about you then about me.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    It also means you're a little loco.
    Now, now, boys and girls. Calm down please.


  • #90
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    robindch wrote: »
    To quote one of the BBC's greatest, but least known, radio sitcoms:
    Or Carl Sagan!
    Carl wrote:
    And then I'm asked, "Yeah, but what do you really think?" I say, "I just told you what I really think." "Yeah, but what's your gut feeling?" But I try not to think with my gut. Really, it's okay to reserve judgment until the evidence is in


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  • #91
    sponsoredwalk
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm going to guess that you're pretty young. Wait until you or a family member actually have children, you'll realise that you're born with practically no innate knowledge.
    Your body doesn't even know how to do some of its core functions at birth - like temperature regulation and vision.

    This is basically a tabula rasa argument for which there's evidence against:

    The nativist’s general objection against empiricism is still the same as
    was raised by the rationalists: the human mind of a newborn child is not
    a tabula rasa, but equipped with an inborn structure.
    ...

    Noam Chomsky has taken this problem as a philosophical framework for
    the scientific enquiry into innatism. His linguistic theory, which derives
    from 18th century classical-liberal thinkers such as Wilhelm von Humboldt
    and René Descartes, attempts to explain in cognitive terms how we can
    develop knowledge of systems which are too rich and complex to be
    derived from our environment. One such example is our linguistic faculty.

    Our linguistic systems contain a systemic complexity which could not be
    empirically derived. The environment is too variable and indeterminate,
    according to Chomsky, to explain the extraordinary ability to learn
    complex concepts possessed by very young children. It follows that
    humans must be born with a universal innate grammar, which is
    determinate and has a highly organized directive component, and enables
    the language learner to ascertain and categorize language heard into a
    system. Noam Chomsky cites as evidence for this theory the apparent
    invariability of human languages at a fundamental level. In this way,
    linguistics has provided a window into the human mind, and has
    established scientific theories of innateness which were previously merely
    speculative.

    One implication of Noam Chomsky's innatism is that at least a part of
    human knowledge consists in cognitive predispositions, which are
    triggered and developed by the environment, but not determined by
    it. Parallels can then be drawn, on a purely speculative level, between
    our moral faculties and language, as has been done by sociobiologists
    such as E. O. Wilson and evolutionary psychologists such as Steven
    Pinker. The relative consistency of fundamental notions of morality
    across cultures seems to produce convincing evidence for these theories.
    link

    So assuming we're not going to learn why the life's work of all these
    people is, in fact, wrong I think it falls within the conceivable for a person
    who believes in god to think that something so fundamental, to them,
    would be ingrained from birth as there are aspects of human nature that
    are simply innate.


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