East Link toll bridge Dublin and cyclists

Hermy · 19-07-2011 3:20pm

Magic Beans wrote: »

And pay the toll? Or squeeze through with a vehicle?

Earth calling cyclists, Earth calling cyclists...

Must be the bee sting I got yesterday - I don't understand this posters response.

CramCycle · 19-07-2011 3:27pm

Hermy wrote: »

Must be the bee sting I got yesterday - I don't understand this posters response.

The bee probably seen the argument coming and opted for the easy way out when he realised it just wasn't worth it, the rest of us don't understand it either.

Hermy · 19-07-2011 3:32pm

Oh, so now I'm the easy way out.

Mr. Presentable · 19-07-2011 3:54pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

http://maps.google.com/?ll=53.345146,-6.227531&spn=0.003753,0.032487&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.345029,-6.227505&panoid=SV6LDOTpyjNmPsEqV4XE4w&cbp=12,9.34,,0,2.08

There's the offending sign.

1) on the wrong side of the road, why would you even be looking over there while on the corner2) Request only, not a direction/order.
3) Look at the positions of both cars in that photo, there is clearly enough room within the lane for a cyclist to safely traverse the bridge and be passed by cars (as the Renault is doing)

Look at the other side of the road, there are signs on both.

CramCycle · 19-07-2011 4:06pm

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Look at the other side of the road, there are signs on both.

Stuck to a temporary board and not facing the oncoming traffic? Very helpful indeed

Tayto2000 · 19-07-2011 4:39pm

The bridge is too narrow to comfortably accommodate everyone - there's room to cycle but in order to overtake a cyclist on the bridge safely, a vehicle would need to cross the solid white line (Illegally - not an emergency or for access). So instead of, say widening the footpath to add a bike path, DCC whack in a made up sign. Bravo.

Luckily, the gardai don't seem to be rushing to punish transgressors...

Mr. Presentable · 19-07-2011 4:41pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Stuck to a temporary board and not facing the oncoming traffic? Very helpful indeed

There nonetheless. Is the site work still ongoing there?

SuiteCheex · 19-07-2011 4:55pm

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

There nonetheless. Is the site work still ongoing there?

Nope. Finished up a couple of months ago but I'll keep an eye out for any signs on my way home.

After reading this thread I'm now sh!t scared of crossing this bridge!!!

CramCycle · 19-07-2011 5:31pm

Tayto2000 wrote: »

Luckily, the gardai don't seem to be rushing to punish transgressors...

Probably because they can't as it's not illegal :pac:

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

There nonetheless. Is the site work still ongoing there?

But if going that way across the bridge (towards the port/point), the sign is/was almost completely blocked from traffics view by the lampposts. I honestly thought that sign was a work site sign as I never got a clear view of it. I'll pop down from work to see is there one there tomorrow if I get a chance.

chakattack · 19-07-2011 5:53pm

hardCopy wrote: »

If DCC/NTR are so concerned with cycle safety they should remove those obsolete rails from the road surface on the roundabout

True story! I was going to post about that.

That's the only section road in dublin that I don't feel safe on.

You have to cross them slowly and head-on which can make staying out of harms way with the traffic tricky.

glic71rods46t0 · 19-07-2011 7:51pm

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Ok, I'll say this one more time for you. The sign is below:

The text on it says "Cyclists are requested to dismount and walk bicycles across east-link bridge via the footpath".

Note the important word on the sign, I'll even embolden it for emphasis: requested. Now, I'm not sure if English is your first language, or if your comprehension is off, or if you're just a bit dim, but in the real world, requested does not equal a requirement. That's nothing to do with law, common sense or anything else, it's the English language, and isn't open to interpretation.

I can request that you fuck off and stop trolling the thread, and you could, quite rightly, ignore that with no consequences at all. If a moderator required you to do it on the other hand, you'd have to comply, or face a ban. Is that clear enough, or would you like to twist things a bit more to fit your agenda?

Perhaps, instead of using foul language and insulting me, you might re-read my post (its in basic english). You will see that the context of my post related to the wider issue of carparks which is where the discussion had moved to at the time.
Oh, and from my limited knowledge of language I have heard that language is always open to interpretation - thats what we have solicitors, barristers and judges for;)

gymnipities · 19-07-2011 7:54pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

... there is clearly enough room within the lane for a cyclist to safely traverse the bridge and be passed by cars (as the Renault is doing)

The problem is that it's heavily used by HGVs and there definitely isn't room for a HGV to overtake a cyclist safely. That doesn't stop them doing it anyway if they see a clear stretch in the oncoming lane but I've had some very close scrape-bys and there's nowhere to go because of the enormous kerb on the path. I regularly cycle over and on past the next roundabout at Sean Moore Road and find it the most dangerous stretch in Dublin because it's busy and it's all too narrow for the number of HGVs using it.

Magic Beans · 19-07-2011 7:56pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I call TROLL

Not guilty. It's a genuine difference of opinion and I have tried to put forward my point of view in a friendly, light hearted manner so as to cause no offence. I have not personalised any aspect of the debate. If you genuinely feel I am trolling please report any / all of my posts and I will abide by the moderators decision without argument.

Jawgap · 19-07-2011 8:21pm

justo · 19-07-2011 8:47pm

gymnipities wrote: »

The problem is that it's heavily used by HGVs and there definitely isn't room for a HGV to overtake a cyclist safely. That doesn't stop them doing it anyway if they see a clear stretch in the oncoming lane but I've had some very close scrape-bys and there's nowhere to go because of the enormous kerb on the path. I regularly cycle over and on past the next roundabout at Sean Moore Road and find it the most dangerous stretch in Dublin because it's busy and it's all too narrow for the number of HGVs using it.

This is all makes a lot of sense.

CramCycle · 19-07-2011 9:59pm

syuj5vbilpr30w wrote: »

Oh, and from my limited knowledge of language I have heard that language is always open to interpretation - thats what we have solicitors, barristers and judges for;)

But none of those people would be involved as it is not a legal sign and would not be brought up if there was an issue on the bridge.

Magic Beans wrote: »

Not guilty. It's a genuine difference of opinion and I have tried to put forward my point of view in a friendly, light hearted manner so as to cause no offence. I have not personalised any aspect of the debate. If you genuinely feel I am trolling please report any / all of my posts and I will abide by the moderators decision without argument.

Apologies if that is the case, it did seem like you were arguing for the sake of arguing but if I misinterpreted what you were saying than I apologise but to be fair if I thought you were trolling in a serious manner than I would have reported it, I am just enjoying this thread as its been a slow week in work.

Cookie_Monster · 19-07-2011 10:07pm

gymnipities wrote: »

The problem is that it's heavily used by HGVs and there definitely isn't room for a HGV to overtake a cyclist safely. That doesn't stop them doing it anyway if they see a clear stretch in the oncoming lane but I've had some very close scrape-bys and there's nowhere to go because of the enormous kerb on the path. I regularly cycle over and on past the next roundabout at Sean Moore Road and find it the most dangerous stretch in Dublin because it's busy and it's all too narrow for the number of HGVs using it.

so cycle in the middle of the lane to prevent them.

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=R131&daddr=York+Rd&hl=en&sll=53.345889,-6.225944&sspn=0.003324,0.010568&geocode=FS0BLgMdZPqg_w%3BFQ_6LQMdKvug_w&mra=me&mrsp=1,0&sz=17&z=17
210 metres from the roundabout to the end of the corner. 30 seconds at 25kph, hardly a major delay for anyone, as opposed to 18.9 seconds at 40kph...

glic71rods46t0 · 19-07-2011 10:18pm

CramCycle wrote: »

But none of those people would be involved as it is not a legal sign and would not be brought up if there was an issue on the bridge.

Re-read the posts dude ...wow and you question my understanding of the english language? LOL

Beasty · 19-07-2011 10:30pm

Proof the East Link can accomodate a full peleton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9i04xr2kqI

So far as I am aware no-one was hurt in the making of this movie (well not physically anyway;))

glic71rods46t0 · 19-07-2011 10:37pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

so cycle in the middle of the lane to prevent them.

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=R131&daddr=York+Rd&hl=en&sll=53.345889,-6.225944&sspn=0.003324,0.010568&geocode=FS0BLgMdZPqg_w%3BFQ_6LQMdKvug_w&mra=me&mrsp=1,0&sz=17&z=17
210 metres from the roundabout to the end of the corner. 30 seconds at 25kph, hardly a major delay for anyone, as opposed to 18.9 seconds at 40kph...

Or alternatively, continue the policy of segregated traffic modes. A well policed mandatory cycle track would make a big difference there and in other areas throughout the city.
I doubt there are many fans of mandatory cycle tracks on this forum but with increasing volumes of cyclists on Dublin's streets, sensible use of mandatory cycle tracks seems inevitable

-Chris- · 19-07-2011 10:44pm

Where would you put a mandatory cycle lane on that bridge? Do you really think it has the width to accommodate it, two full lanes and one or two footpaths?

Cookie_Monster · 19-07-2011 11:22pm

syuj5vbilpr30w wrote: »

Or alternatively, continue the policy of segregated traffic modes.

a flawed and unworkable policy

A well policed mandatory cycle track would make a big difference there and in other areas throughout the city.

how and why exactly would it make a big difference?
Who's going to pay for it to be "well policed" and what does that even mean, a Garda standing there all day, at rush hour only, cameras (ineffective as no reg to track bikes)...

I doubt there are many fans of mandatory cycle tracks on this forum but with increasing volumes of cyclists on Dublin's streets, sensible use of mandatory cycle tracks seems inevitable

sensible use of mandatory cycle lanes = zero use, anything more is not sensible at all.

Magic Beans · 19-07-2011 11:32pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Apologies if that is the case, it did seem like you were arguing for the sake of arguing but if I misinterpreted what you were saying than I apologise but to be fair if I thought you were trolling in a serious manner than I would have reported it, I am just enjoying this thread as its been a slow week in work.

Ireland is not cyclist friendly, tbh it's not motorist friendly either. If the truth be known the govt is employing a lot of divide and conquer tactics. Much like the constant public service vs private sector threads that we see so often.

Leaving aside my predilication for upholding regulations it's absolute horseshyte to ask people to get off their bikes and walk across bridges for very little good reason. That doesn't mean that rules and regulations don't have a role to play in our transport system.

Sr. Assumpta · 19-07-2011 11:47pm

I got bored waiting for Captain Havoc to contradict me/ apologise in another thread, and I thought I'd read through this thread to see what in God's name was keeping it active for so long, it is a very short bridge after all.

Anyhow, having read it all I can only conclude that some people just like to argue, topic is immaterial.

Also.......

tomasrojo wrote: »

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For some reason this sign makes me think of sperm. Sperm hitting a wall to be exact. Yes, it's warning active sperm that there is a wall ahead, Careful!!!!

michaelm · 20-07-2011 6:55am

Magic Beans wrote: »

Why not just do as the sign says?

Dismount, cross safely on foot, remount and be on your way.

It there a genetic problem with cyclists that forces them to disobey every possible rule or instruction? Seriously.

Because the majority of cycling related signs in this country are erected by people with little or no regard for cyclists and are frequently illogical. In fact if one was to carry out a survey of cycling signs in Ireland you would actually think that there was a long term plan to remove all bicycles from the country by eventually exasperating cyclists to the point where they just wouldn't bother. In many European countries however refreneces to cycling are in the main, positive, telling you what you can do, rather than what you cannot ("No entry, except cyclists" or "One way, except cyclists" are probably the most common ones in Belgium).

One of the most annoying one I have seen is on a bridge in Cork as you cross from UCC to some of their buildings on the other side of the Lee, a perfectly wide bridge, with no cars has the sign - "Cyclists must dismount when crossing bridge". It almost reminds of the Lottery ad - maybe they should just come out and say "all cyclists must wear barbed wire in their shorts"

Cookie_Monster · 20-07-2011 8:52am

michaelm wrote: »

One of the most annoying one I have seen is on a bridge in Cork as you cross from UCC to some of their buildings on the other side of the Lee, a perfectly wide bridge, with no cars has the sign - "Cyclists must dismount when crossing bridge". It almost reminds of the Lottery ad - maybe they should just come out and say "all cyclists must wear barbed wire in their shorts"

"with nor cars" - you make it sound like a pedestrian only bridge, in which case it's basically a footpath and you shouldn't be cycling on it anyway, so that's fine.

CramCycle · 20-07-2011 9:19am

syuj5vbilpr30w wrote: »

Re-read the posts dude ...wow and you question my understanding of the english language? LOL

I didn't, I think you have me confused with someone else.

syuj5vbilpr30w wrote: »

I doubt there are many fans of mandatory cycle tracks on this forum but with increasing volumes of cyclists on Dublin's streets, sensible use of mandatory cycle tracks seems inevitable

The more cyclists the less need for cycle tracks IMO particularly in Ireland where existing infrastructure is unlikely to be capable of dealing with a retrofit.

Sr. Assumpta wrote: »

For some reason this sign makes me think of sperm. Sperm hitting a wall to be exact. Yes, it's warning active sperm that there is a wall ahead, Careful!!!!

Well at least we know the nuns are keeping celebate if thats what you think it looks like :pac::pac::pac:

SuiteCheex · 20-07-2011 10:29am

I always wondered why I hadn't spotted these signs before (bearing in mind I don't usually keep and eye out for signs on the opposite side of the road!). These pics were taken this morning.

Cookie_Monster · 20-07-2011 10:49am

SuiteCheex wrote: »

I always wondered why I hadn't spotted these signs before (bearing in mind I don't usually keep and eye out for signs on the opposite side of the road!). These pics were taken this morning.

so they only apply if you're cycling against traffic then

:pac:

Chips Lovell · 20-07-2011 11:02am

SuiteCheex wrote: »

I always wondered why I hadn't spotted these signs before (bearing in mind I don't usually keep and eye out for signs on the opposite side of the road!). These pics were taken this morning.

No wonder I'd never seen them.

East Link toll bridge Dublin and cyclists

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