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Near Field Communication - pay by phone

  • 30-05-2011 10:07PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭


    Asked this in the Consumer Electronics - Mobiles PDAs section and drew a blank.

    Does anyone have a handle on what a retailer would need to do to jump on board Google's pay by phone service, available in the summer by all accounts?

    Near Field Communication device - any Irish distributors?

    Develop your own app or would there be a generic service/app?

    For any retailer looking to cut down on costs and differentiate themselves on the high street this seems to me to be a no brainer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    It will take consumers years to get over the fear factor involved in NFC.

    Anyway the Nexus S has an NFC chip in it and has been available for a few months now. A retailer would have to provide the other end point, both hardware and software and pay for software to be developed for the device also.

    In time I presume generic solutions will become available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    You would need a payment processor in Ireland to support it. It's not something you could setup yourself I think... They are using it more and more in London.

    @Draffodx: Wrong. Millions of people in London use NFC everyday. And have done for the last 5+ years. How did they get everyone to switch? 50% off when you use NFC, wallop everyone switched overnight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    srsly78 wrote: »
    You would need a payment processor in Ireland to support it. It's not something you could setup yourself I think... They are using it more and more in London.

    @Draffodx: Wrong. Millions of people in London use NFC everyday. And have done for the last 5+ years. How did they get everyone to switch? 50% off when you use NFC, wallop everyone switched overnight.

    London isn't as backwards as Ireland, can you see retailers offer 50% off here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    draffodx wrote: »
    London isn't as backwards as Ireland, can you see retailers offer 50% off here?
    I would. No doubt about it.

    If NFC transactions have a 0% charge on them versus 2% for Credit Card then the long term benefits to the retailer are massive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,361 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    GetWithIt wrote: »

    For any retailer looking to cut down on costs and differentiate themselves on the high street this seems to me to be a no brainer.

    Paying by NFC option is far from a no-brainer as there's unlikely to be much interest in it. As an example NIB and the Blanchardstown centre ran a similar trial scheme for cashless payments. The takeup response was very poor.

    Until NFC is as standard a component in phones as bluetooth, I cannot see much interest in progressing it.

    I'd love to see it on Dublin bus / Luas instead of buying smart cards -that would be so convenient but it'll never happen based on the integrated ticketing fiasco so far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    I would. No doubt about it.

    If NFC transactions have a 0% charge on them versus 2% for Credit Card then the long term benefits to the retailer are massive.

    Thats true, I still don't see NFC being widespread in Ireland for years to come, I hope I'm wrong as I think its a great technology but for it to work both retailers and consumers have to get behind it and I just don't see it getting that much support in Ireland for at least the next few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty


    There are terminals + gateway provider + infrastructure provider on the way.
    Early next year I think.

    What I don't know is if any banks are looking at the provision of touch cards, or whether the whole system is being aimed squarely at phone use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Doesn't matter. There is no difference between smartcards and phone, except the phone can contain multiple virtual cards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭colster


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    Asked this in the Consumer Electronics - Mobiles PDAs section and drew a blank.

    Does anyone have a handle on what a retailer would need to do to jump on board Google's pay by phone service, available in the summer by all accounts?

    Near Field Communication device - any Irish distributors?

    Develop your own app or would there be a generic service/app?

    For any retailer looking to cut down on costs and differentiate themselves on the high street this seems to me to be a no brainer.

    Have you looked at these guys? http://www.zapatag.ie/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Just recently. They seem to be furthest on, locally, with doing something with this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Does NFC require a pin? They were trying for ages to put the chip and pin facilities into credit/debit cards in order to make them more secure so would there possibly be any legal issues with NFC from that point of view?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Well your phone requires a PIN doesn't it?

    NFC will likely be configurable. For microtransactions maybe you won't need a PIN, but once you do more than a tenners worth it might prompt you for security.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    NFC is just the communication, I'd imagine a credit/debit card app will require a PIN


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Makes sense I guess


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