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Should flogging be an alternative to prison?

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  • #62
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    charlemont wrote: »
    Are you female ??

    Are you in the Cork area ???

    :D:eek:



    I am female. Wish I was in cork if that is an offer for kinky beating.


  • #63
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I am female. Wish I was in cork if that is an offer for kinky beating.

    Maybe flogging wouldnt be a suitable punishment for people who like it, ha..:cool:


  • #64
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,560 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    You probably want to read a few history books and reconsider your opinion.

    The U.S. has the death Penalty in 38 States. Yet the instances of murder has increased. With regards to violence the bigger bully always wins ..... that day.


  • #65
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    charlemont wrote: »
    Maybe flogging wouldnt be a suitable punishment for people who like it, ha..:cool:
    You are correct. A suitable punishment for me would be to simply withhold flogging and spanking.


  • #66
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    no but for each succesive crime a relitive of theirs should be excecuted

    --re-elect Michael McDowell--


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  • #67
    wilson10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭wilson10


    Realistic sentencing is what is needed.

    I mean, 3 years for kicking a woman to death outside the Rotunda hospital, that would be a joke only it's not funny for the victim and her family.

    I wonder would it have made a difference if the victim was related to a judge?


  • #68
    Master and commander
    Closed Accounts Posts: 448 ✭✭Master and commander


    If he is calling American prisons soft what on earth would he think of irelands prisons with their plasma screens, mobile phones, pets and pool tables. Irelands lock ups are the like the Hilton by comparison. Has anyone ever seen Louis Thereoux's docu on the Jail in NY(or was it Miami) - thats how a prison should be administered - harsh, and a culture of fear. You see lots of criminals in irl have rough time of it on the outside and actually would prefer to be in prison to get a bed and 3 square meals, there needs to be a deterrend.
    As for the faction who say violence/corporal punishment doesn't work - well take a look at the current "oooh they're deprived, disadvantaged, misunderstood, need to rehabilitate, help, treatment" approch. You can hardly say thats working can you. Many of these kind dont care, they have no respect for you, me or anybody or anything.
    I beleive the sad fact of the matter is that they were from barbaric violent backrounds, so violence is the only thing they understand. They could be made to rethink their attitudes and actions on threat of flogging if they are caught.
    Flogging, rather than prison, for lesser crimes such as theft, mugging and drug addiction and the like could be an effective deterrent and punishment
    Flogging could also be used to keep the peace in prisons by dealing it out to those who use or peddle drug or who engage in disruptive riotous behavior.
    If the threat is real enough and there is certainty that it will be deal out, a situation could very well arise where crime will be reduced and people will rethink their ways out of fear.
    I know some will think my attitudes on justice brutal and barbaric, but you must remove youself from your cosy well to do mind set and get to grips with the idea that most of these criminals are brutal and barbaric individuals. Rant over.


  • #69
    Corsendonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I am female. Wish I was in cork if that is an offer for kinky beating.

    Forget Cork!! Where are you?

    P.S. your profile page prob just got an extra 2000 visits


  • #70
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Master and commander wrote: »
    If he is calling American prisons soft what on earth would he think of irelands prisons with their plasma screens, mobile phones, pets and pool tables. Irelands lock ups are the like the Hilton by comparison. Has anyone ever seen Louis Thereoux's docu on the Jail in NY(or was it Miami) - thats how a prison should be administered - harsh, and a culture of fear. You see lots of criminals in irl have rough time of it on the outside and actually would prefer to be in prison to get a bed and 3 square meals, there needs to be a deterrend.
    As for the faction who say violence/corporal punishment doesn't work - well take a look at the current "oooh they're deprived, disadvantaged, misunderstood, need to rehabilitate, help, treatment" approch. You can hardly say thats working can you. Many of these kind dont care, they have no respect for you, me or anybody or anything.
    I beleive the sad fact of the matter is that they were from barbaric violent backrounds, so violence is the only thing they understand. They could be made to rethink their attitudes and actions on threat of flogging if they are caught.
    Flogging, rather than prison, for lesser crimes such as theft, mugging and drug addiction and the like could be an effective deterrent and punishment
    Flogging could also be used to keep the peace in prisons by dealing it out to those who use or peddle drug or who engage in disruptive riotous behavior.
    If the threat is real enough and there is certainty that it will be deal out, a situation could very well arise where crime will be reduced and people will rethink their ways out of fear.
    I know some will think my attitudes on justice brutal and barbaric, but you must remove youself from your cosy well to do mind set and get to grips with the idea that most of these criminals are brutal and barbaric individuals. Rant over.

    I don't think you are brutal or barbaric, i just think you are incredibly short sighted.

    Capital punishment has been shown to have absolutely zero impact on crime rates , I don't understand what you would expect to happen were it introduced.


  • #71
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Capital punishment has been shown to have absolutely zero impact on crime rates , I don't understand what you would expect to happen were it introduced.
    I'm not in favour of capital punishment, but I'd be seriously surprised if executing murderers didn't make any impact on the crime figures. Plenty of murderers are recidivists. I'm sure you are right about it not acting as a deterrent though.


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  • #72
    g5fd6ow0hseima
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    I see nothing wrong with chain gangs.


  • #73
    Master and commander
    Closed Accounts Posts: 448 ✭✭Master and commander


    I would be interested to see the rates of murder and rape amongst crounties with strict governments (excluding deaths caused by the said government) I'd imagine there are very low rates of murder/rape/vandalism in places like N korea, iran and Husseins Iraq. Now i know those gov's are/were overly brutal and wrong i think there is a lesson to be learned from their zero tolerance.

    There should be a happy medium and an end put to all this namby pamby "justice" like we have in this country. For example if i were to break into a persons home, crazed like a madman on drugs and drink, and go for the householder with a rambo knife and he shoots me, he'll be done for attempted murder and be sent to jail, and i'll be "disadvantaged and misunderstood" and be given the option to go to an open detention centre for treatment.

    I'll tell you one thing, if i was in charge I know well what this "treatment" would involve [evil laugh]

    The justice system in this country is on the side of serious and dangerous criminals and persecutes the innocent victims. It makes my blood boil with rage.


  • #74
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    I don't think you are brutal or barbaric, i just think you are incredibly short sighted.

    Capital punishment has been shown to have absolutely zero impact on crime rates , I don't understand what you would expect to happen were it introduced.

    People commit crimes with the intention of never getting caught, hence your assertion that the threat of any punishment is not a deterrent.

    All capital punishment does is satisfy the public at large's craving for revenge, in the guise of justice.

    Criminality can only be prevented by breaking the cycle in which the person concerned are caught.

    I for one believe that education through zero tolerance is the key. Get lifted for D&D, get lifted for aggressive, threatening behaviour. Open a ****ty, grotty Rikers Island type short hold prison and deprive people of liberty for 24 hours and they might think with more clarity.

    The recidivists need to be handled differently. Those people's woes started in childhood, you need to break the cycle in childhood, not teenage years or adult hood. The old maxim of them growing out of it simply doesn't hold true in enough instances.

    I'm of the opinion that the Irish army could be used to run juvenile bootcamps for offenders and round a few of the sharper edges off these young lads.


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