Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

abouttobebanned · 24-06-2011 10:40AM

Johnnymcg wrote: »

What is the world coming to? when I was growing up gay people couldn't have opinions. Now they're throwing them around the place.

Yeah, I didn't explain myself very well there. Apologies.

Da Shins Kelly · 24-06-2011 10:41AM

Being raised by heterosexual parents doesn't automatically mean that someone will be "normal". Likewise, being raised by homosexuals doesn't mean that someone will be "abnormal". What makes people functioning members of society is how they are raised - i.e values, morals, love, attention, care. Homosexuals are perfectly capable of providing for children on an emotional and physical level, as much as any heterosexual couple. And saying that children raised by a homosexual couple will be without maternal influence is just ridiculous. Homosexuals don't live in a completely different world to heterosexuals where members of the opposite sex don't exist. These people have mothers, sisters, girl friends, some of them even have daughters of their own from previous relationships. These people are perfectly able of providing a female influence in the life of a child raised by two gay men. And anyway, who decides what is "normal"? The idea of "normal" is different to everyone.

Also, as regards the bullying thing, that is an attitude that needs to be addressed to society at large. I know I would never, ever tolerate my child giving sh*t to another child on the basis of sexual orientation, or if that child had two gay parents. And saying that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt because of other people's bad parenting is not a valid reason. It's parents who have bad attitudes and pass it on to their children. Children don't just automatically know how to pick on other kids; it's learned behaviour.

People are never going to be fully comfortable with homosexuals unless we change our attitudes, and the only way to do that is to stop acting as if there's something wrong with it and raise our own children to judge people on the strength of their characters rather than their sexual orientation.

dr.bollocko · 24-06-2011 10:47AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

This kind of smugness/smartness has more call to be banned than what biggins said tbh.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The gay mod has entered the debate, hence all other opinions from now on are homophopic and redundant.

Thread dead.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

By Gay Mod, I mean mod of the gay forum.

He came in throwing opinions and accusations all over the place. Predictable really.

Very hard to have a proper debate on a hot topic like this, especially in After Hours.

Banned.
Ignoring mod warning. Trolling / flaming.

Gary4279 wrote: »

Perfect user name. You should also consider 'stupid ****'

Banned. Insulting other posters.

That's now 4 from this thread.
Make it personal / get overly personal and you will be banned.
We will now re-open however if things continue in this fashion I would expect a lock soon. And probably more bans.

HellFireClub · 24-06-2011 10:59AM

^^^ Shooting fish in a barrell!

OldGoat · 24-06-2011 11:04AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'm suspicious of this. Are you telling me that a single man can adobt a baby? Can you show me a case where this has happened?

Gary4279 wrote: »

No he can not.

Yes, he can. I watched an interview of a single man and his adoptive son on TV a few weeks ago. (ITV Daybreak) I can't search for the link now but it does exist.

However, here is an older example to 3 different fathers all who adopt or foster...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article2124934.ece

Another case here...
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article5134011.ece

EDIT: Posted this before reading to the end of the thread. Apologies if it's redundant.

madmammy · 24-06-2011 11:04AM

My husband (Biggins) and I wish to say the following:

We have a daughter that is suffering from Scoliosis (non-curable spinal dis-order).
Because of that, she has to wear all the time a body cast on her.
Now we know in our heart and soul that kids in school by their nature and by gang mentality, will find something to pick on other kids about.

Our point is that be it gay parents or any other reason (and its depressingly expected that someone will in time go out of their way to take the pee out of our daughter in school due to her condition, its sadly inevitable), bullying will go on - and if its not over gay parents, the thugs and bullies of this world will find another reason.

That don't make it right, it just means that those with less kop-on will find any stupid reason they can to express dominance over another.
Gay parents will just be one more reason for the bullies of this world.
There are many other reasons before this and there will be many after it.

The best we can do is stop the bullying in all its forms and underlying reasons - and cope with the next reason when it comes alone thereafter.

Bullies will always find a reason. If its not one reason, it will be another.

NuMarvel · 24-06-2011 11:05AM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Look what happens when gays "adopt" Pets... they dress them up in gay pet outfits and turn Poodles into fashion accessories.

True that. Heteros would never stoop to such crass or demeaning behaviour...

sensibleken · 24-06-2011 11:10AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

True that. Heteros would never stoop to such crass or demeaning behaviour...

Kill it!!!!!

(I mean the taller dog)

Logical Fallacy · 24-06-2011 11:13AM

Gary4279 wrote: »

You can say that now but sadly children will care what their peers say to them, its how we mature.

It's weird because if we had developed as a society via this ideal then we would be ****ed. Schools in America would never have integrated, boys and girls would never be in the same school at all, women wouldn't have the vote etc etc etc

Social change comes with a bit of risk attached.

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:13AM

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

cursai · 24-06-2011 11:21AM

Should single women or men be allowed to adopt. Or how a single parent who neglects her last couple of kids. How about an asexual man or woman. etc.....

These are all unconventional family setups and not in the best interests of a child. ANY of them may not the worst situation for a child to be in compared to abusive setups etc.. but they are not the IDEAL situation. Before we get all liberal, democratic and equal should we not think of the moral responsibility we had to children who are innocent of our well intentioned actions.

Why would we want to create, allow and encourage unconventional family setups? if a child ends up in any of these situations and there healthy...BRILLIANT!
But they shouldn't be encouraged!

deirdre_dub · 24-06-2011 11:22AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

Homosexuality is a real sexual orientation, not a pretend sexual orientation. Hence homosexuals are real people, not pretend people, and hence make real parents, not pretend parents.

I'm curious as to what you think should be done with single-parent families. If children shouldn't be brought up in homes that have what you call a "real" and a "pretend" parent, then surely they shouldn't be allowed to be brought up in homes with only one "real" parent? Should children who have one parent die automatically find themselves being put up for adoption?

NuMarvel · 24-06-2011 11:23AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

How is one set of parents "real", and another set "pretend"?

If it's biology, then does that mean that heterosexual couples who adopt or are also "pretend"? And presumably children with step-parents also have "pretend" parents.

If it's some other criteria, then please let us know.

Logical Fallacy · 24-06-2011 11:24AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

Do you mean they are pretend parents because there is no one there to fill the mother role in the event of gay males or the father role in the event of gay females?

Naikon · 24-06-2011 11:25AM

deirdre_dub wrote: »

Homosexuality is a real sexual orientation, not a pretend sexual orientation. Hence homosexuals are real people, not pretend people, and hence make real parents, not pretend parents.

I'm curious as to what you think should be done with single-parent families. If children shouldn't be brought up in homes that have what you call a "real" and a "pretend" parent, then surely they shouldn't be allowed to be brought up in homes with only one "real" parent? Should children who have one parent die automatically find themselves being put up for adoption?

Homosexuality was actually a "mental illness" up until the 1970's. Sure, they can't be right in the head?

/facepalm

I_am_LOST · 24-06-2011 11:26AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

How the hell are same sex couples pretend? That is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this thread

triseke · 24-06-2011 11:27AM

I "love" the arguments that consist of "well a child needs a mam and dad in order to a normal functioning member of society".

I "love" how it ignores children of same sex parents, single parents, widows and widowers, grandparents, etc.

Its not who we are brought up by, its how we are brought up that matters.

Annasopra · 24-06-2011 11:27AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

I can use the bold button too

cursai · 24-06-2011 11:31AM

This is a mature conversation.

CreepingDeath · 24-06-2011 11:34AM

I_am_LOST wrote: »

How the hell are same sex couples pretend?

You misread it... it's pretend parents, not pretend couples.

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:35AM

deirdre_dub wrote: »

Homosexuality is a real sexual orientation, not a pretend sexual orientation. Hence homosexuals are real people, not pretend people, and hence make real parents, not pretend parents.

I'm curious as to what you think should be done with single-parent families. If children shouldn't be brought up in homes that have what you call a "real" and a "pretend" parent, then surely they shouldn't be allowed to be brought up in homes with only one "real" parent? Should children who have one parent die automatically find themselves being put up for adoption?

Deirdre, the topic is Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt? Try to stay on subject. Or perhaps you need to open another thread.

o1s1n · 24-06-2011 11:38AM

Spread wrote: »

Bringing up children is a serious and rewarding experience. It is real life - not pretend life. Heterosexual couples are real parents - same sex couples are pretend parents. Well, at least one of them anyway.

Just thought I'd get my view in before this is locked.

So by that understanding, does that meant that a heterosexual couple who completely neglect and abuse their children are real parents and a same sex couple who care for and love their children are pretend parents?

Craebear · 24-06-2011 11:41AM

It's a well known fact that gay couples raise gay children just like straight couples raise stra......

Logical Fallacy · 24-06-2011 11:41AM

Spread wrote: »

Deirdre, the topic is Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt? Try to stay on subject. Or perhaps you need to open another thread.

Do you think it would be okay for gay couples to adopt in the Game of Life?

Like, two little blue pegs in the same car getting a litte pink or blue peg baby?

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:43AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

How is one set of parents "real", and another set "pretend"?

If it's biology, then does that mean that heterosexual couples who adopt or are also "pretend"? And presumably children with step-parents also have "pretend" parents.

If it's some other criteria, then please let us know.

Sorry for not phrasing it more succinctly. What I meant by real parents was a male and a female in a parenting role. Semantics should be left to the politicians. But when engaging with an excitable minority it is to be expected.

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:45AM

o1s1n wrote: »

So by that understanding, does that meant that a heterosexual couple who completely neglect and abuse their children are real parents and a same sex couple who care for and love their children are pretend parents?

Just as in the animal kingdom ...... afraid so.

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:47AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Do you think it would be okay for gay couples to adopt in the Game of Life?

Like, two little blue pegs in the same car getting a litte pink or blue peg baby?

Not quite sure what you are on about here. But the word Game might be a giveaway.

deirdre_dub · 24-06-2011 11:47AM

Spread wrote: »

Deirdre, the topic is Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

Ummm - unless I'm sadly mistaken, the only way most gay couples can become parents is through adoption, hence the question as to whether gay people should be allowed to adopt is the same question as to whether gay people should be allowed to be parents.

There are other ways gay couples can become parents - through surrogacy, for instance. So can I take it that whereas you are opposed to gay couples adopting, you are in favour of gay couples becoming parents through surrogacy? Nah - I didn't think so!

philologos · 24-06-2011 11:48AM

Craebear wrote: »

It's a well known fact that gay couples raise gay children just like straight couples raise stra......

Is it? I would have thought that having both a mother and father would be different from only having mothers or only having fathers?

o1s1n wrote: »

So by that understanding, does that meant that a heterosexual couple who completely neglect and abuse their children are real parents and a same sex couple who care for and love their children are pretend parents?

Fallacious argument. One could easily swap "heterosexual" and "same sex" in that sentence to make the opposite point. The only way to do this fairly is to talk about the average heterosexual and average same-sex couple.

Spread · 24-06-2011 11:50AM

I_am_LOST wrote: »

How the hell are same sex couples pretend? That is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this thread

Are two daddies in a single family unit not more ridiculous?

Should Gay People Be Allowed To Adopt?

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