Time off Work

Dravokivich · 22-06-2011 09:15AM

Seachmall wrote: »

1) OP is entitled to time off work.

2) And what gives you the impression OP is dead weight (given he has a job)?

1) Yes, but at managements descretion.

2) He's looking to skive off while he knows the business will be short on resources. Can't he make arrangements with the people giving him the interview for a different time?

Micky Dolenz · 22-06-2011 09:19AM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I know this is After Hours but I'm just looking for some help/advice. If you've got nothing useful to post them maybe you're better off not posting anything. I dont mean to seem ignorant I just really dont want this thread being derailed.

Look at me look at me, help me cheat.

jester77 · 22-06-2011 09:21AM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Thanks so far to those who provided helpful feedback. Flights and hotel is booked so I cant change the dates. I cant do the interview over the phone as there is a practical part to the interview.

Death is something I really dont want to go with. People I work with would know other members of my family so I think it'd be far too risky. Also death is something I wouldnt be comfortable lying about.

Get onto the company and tell them you can't make it because your current company needs you that week. They will most likely be ok with it, plus it makes you sound important to them. Most companies have flight and hotel accounts anyway and it won't cost them anything to change - maybe a fee for the flights, but it wouldn't be much.

highgiant1985 · 22-06-2011 09:27AM

conorhal wrote: »

'Dead' Swedish 'granny' should do the trick, he may suspect that you are pulling a fast one, but who the hell makes up a lie so elaborate that it requires them to go to Sweden?
Still, I'd ask for the time off around lunchtime, while you scoff down a tub of fermented herring, just like Granny used to give you, then break down weeping and shout "Thor smite the sonofabitch that sold her those German beansprouts!"

The Stephen Ireland route eh :P

Brendan Flowers · 22-06-2011 09:34AM

the groutch wrote: »

there's people who would kill to have any job right now, and you treat it with such contempt, probably better if you do get a job elsewhere, because you don't deserve to be working here

How dare you make such accusations about me. You know nothing about me. Since day 1 I have been 100% committed to this company. I've never taken a sick day. I've come in on weekends with getting paid overtime. I have turned down other better opportunities in the past. But I have come to the stage where I don’t think I can offer the company any fresh ideas and I've reached the peak in terms of furthering my career here.

A great opportunity has come along. Im ambitious. I want a fresh challenge. It’s a risk but to quote Del "He who dares, wins". So dont you dare make snide remarks about me without knowing the facts.

Dravokivich wrote: »

He's looking to skive off

I wasn't looking to skive off. I would have been happy to use my own annual leave to go. But thats not possible. But I have given this company my all up until now so I think for once I deserve to put myself first.

Micky Dolenz · 22-06-2011 09:38AM

You should never have went solo. It must have been murder hanging with those lads, but ye worked good together.

Larianne · 22-06-2011 09:44AM

Yeah defo go with the diarrhea option! Only way man.

Mr. Presentable · 22-06-2011 10:12AM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

How dare you make such accusations about me. You know nothing about me. Since day 1 I have been 100% committed to this company. I've never taken a sick day. I've come in on weekends with getting paid overtime. I have turned down other better opportunities in the past. But I have come to the stage where I don’t think I can offer the company any fresh ideas and I've reached the peak in terms of furthering my career here.

A great opportunity has come along. Im ambitious. I want a fresh challenge. It’s a risk but to quote Del "He who dares, wins". So dont you dare make snide remarks about me without knowing the facts.

I wasn't looking to skive off. I would have been happy to use my own annual leave to go. But thats not possible. But I have given this company my all up until now so I think for once I deserve to put myself first.

He knows one thing about you. Honesty is as required.

cml387 · 22-06-2011 10:18AM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

A great opportunity has come along. Im ambitious. I want a fresh challenge. It’s a risk but to quote Del "He who dares, wins". So dont you dare make snide remarks about me without knowing the facts.

I wasn't looking to skive off. I would have been happy to use my own annual leave to go. But thats not possible. But I have given this company my all up until now so I think for once I deserve to put myself first.

A risk would be quitting your job.Then you'd be free to head off to Sweden or wherever.
You want it both ways.

Laois_Man · 22-06-2011 10:27AM

Brendan. This is your boss. Mods have verified your IP address with me.

You're Fired!!

whydoibother? · 22-06-2011 10:30AM

I really don't think that this is the biggest crime known to man. He's trying to find a way to use his own annual leave. I don't know about this idea that commitment to his job extends to possibly foregoing another good job opportunity to save managers a bit of shift rearranging for a couple of days. That seems a huge sacrifice to make life slightly more convenient for someone else for a very short period of time. I'm not sure how many employers/managers have that level of loyalty to their staff. But I think there is often a very antiquated view of the employment relationship with the employer always having the upper hand and being deserving of more respect. I see it as more of an equal thing. The idea that people are "lucky to have a job" has been discussed at length on another thread so I won't go into it, except to say that I think an employer is equally lucky to have a good employee.

Minstrel27 · 22-06-2011 10:37AM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Brendan. This is your boss. Mods have verified your IP address with me.

You're Fired!!

Hilarious stuff. Good work there Laois_Man.

Soups123 · 22-06-2011 10:37AM

very simple.. sick note....look after no1.

Rachiee · 22-06-2011 10:39AM

the groutch wrote: »

there's people who would kill to have any job right now, and you treat it with such contempt, probably better if you do get a job elsewhere, because you don't deserve to be working here

Thats really unfair theres nothing to say he isnt grateful to have a job he's just looking around for a better opportunity, I was undervalued and underpaid in my last job and I went and got a new one, but I still knew I was lucky to be working at all, plus if people do move around it frees up jobs, the company I left hired three new people as I was leaving.

OP good luck with the interview, Id go with a sick note, I dont see you've another option youre entiteled to leave but only within the leave policy, you could also ask if there is a possibility of unpaid leave? Problem is if you do that and get turned down and then call in sick it pretty obvious. Id never call bereavement I think thats a pretty horrible thing to do.
Sick note itself is very dishonest and something ive never and would never do but if not doing it would mean missing the interview it may be worth it.

tbh · 22-06-2011 10:42AM

best friends wedding abroad. You're the best man. Other alternative is to tell the crowd you're doing the interview with that work is very busy, could they move it? it'll make you sound indispensable. I'm trying to be helpful because you used the word "hence" without following it with "why" - kudos for that.

ghosttown · 22-06-2011 10:48AM

Is everyone on leave going abroad ? Can someone swap annual leave with you for a few days ?
Ask among your colleagues, if they're friends they'll help you out.

Or man up, and tell your boss it's an opportunity you can't turn down, you'll be surprised he may be looking at reducing staff, and you leaving won't be so bad, save him a headache.
Don't ever think you are so important the company will cease to work without you there, crap happens, so they will be prepared for this.
They can't stop you going, and if you have a half decent relationship there, they will be happy for you and assist.

Lying will come back to haunt you.

Laois_Man · 22-06-2011 10:58AM

Sorry for my earlier Smart-arsedness.

Best man at a wedding would have been a good one - but it might be too late to come out with it now.

The family funeral...or wife/mother is in hospital thing is also a bit akward if people at work know your family (but you didn't say one of those who knows your family members is the actual boss). I wouldn't have a problem letting it be known amonst my friends in work that I am off for an interview and letting them in on the cover story. Heck, one of them might even be glad of the excuse to book a day off at short notice so that they can go to the "Funeral" to support you...making it seem more genuine.

Other than that - the 5hit-runs is the way to go!

--Kaiser-- · 22-06-2011 10:59AM

tbh wrote: »

best friends wedding abroad. You're the best man.

This happened to me before, I was told I still couldn't have the day off, some bosses are just cVnts

krudler · 22-06-2011 11:17AM

the groutch wrote: »

there's people who would kill to have any job right now, and you treat it with such contempt, probably better if you do get a job elsewhere, because you don't deserve to be working here

damn people wanting to better themselves and move upwards on a career!

you live in a bin, what do you know?

--LOS-- · 22-06-2011 11:17AM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I know this is After Hours but I'm just looking for some help/advice. If you've got nothing useful to post them maybe you're better off not posting anything. I dont mean to seem ignorant I just really dont want this thread being derailed.

You're right.......this is After Hours

Naikon · 22-06-2011 11:24AM

Tell them you have Depression. Very hard to disprove once you start the water works. Some people have genuine suicidal grade Depression, whereas others simply compare their break up to a harcore existential crisis streak. It's hard to discern by just looking at you.

c0rk3r · 22-06-2011 11:26AM

Can't you ask for the date of the interview to be changed as it doesn't suit you ?

Naikon · 22-06-2011 11:27AM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Can't you ask for the date of the interview to be changed as it doesn't suit you ?

Do that, and they are onto him.

smokedeels · 22-06-2011 11:33AM

Put in for them, say there's no way you can reschedule your plans and leave for your interview knowing you’ve alienated yourself from your current job therefore giving you extra motivation in the interview.

Osgoodisgood · 22-06-2011 11:34AM

Young_gunner wrote: »

Worst case scenario, dig your heels in and say you need those holidays. if he asks why, just say that you can't say but i really need the holidays.

its not as if you're not entitled to your holidays.

he'll prob suspect its an interview, but so what? he can't do anything.

(yeah, that's right, i'm asssuming his boss is a man)

The company is not obliged to grant your specific holiday request.

Eever · 22-06-2011 11:35AM

Young_gunner wrote: »

Worst case scenario, dig your heels in and say you need those holidays. if he asks why, just say that you can't say but i really need the holidays.

its not as if you're not entitled to your holidays.

he'll prob suspect its an interview, but so what? he can't do anything.

(yeah, that's right, i'm asssuming his boss is a man)

Ii don't think that would work. They don't have to give him the days off so saying "I can't tell you why but I really need them" is just going to sound suspicous to them.

greenfly wrote: »

After a quick wiki, viral gastroenteritis fits the bill perfectly. Can come in in around 4-48 hours simply from drinking contaminated food or water and can last up to and including 5 days. (info, more info)

I don't understand everybody saying "get a sick note". Does everyones doctor just give them notes whether they're sick or not?

I would try going back to the company and saying you can't leave work short staffed and ask to move the interview. I would imagine they'd appreciate that you won't leave people in the lurch. Failing that, I guess sick note. The problem with begging for days off is that if you don't get them, there'll be nothing you can do as they won't believe you if you say you're sick afterwards.

This is going to sound stupid but in an old job I just didn't turn up to work one day (hated the job, didn't feel like going in, nothing more to it). They kept ringing me so I turned my phone off, they then got my parents house phone number from my emergency contacts and called them, my mum said I don't live there so she didn't know why I might not be in. The next day I walked into work filled with dread, my boss called me aside and said "what the hell happened yesterday, you should have at least called, this is unacceptable blah blah blah". So I put on the most upset, on the verge of tears, face I could and said something along the lines of not wanting to talk about what happened yesterday as I was afraid of getting upset and I didn't want to be crying in work. Somehow, that worked. It was so ridiculous, I have absolutely no idea what I would have said if she pressed me further.

smokedeels · 22-06-2011 11:42AM

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

The company is not obliged to grant your specific holiday request.

They can't sack you either... maybe issue you a first warning.

I think the OP should take the leap of faith, he who dares wins.... next year we could be millionaires....play it cool trig, play it cool.... etc

Lord Derpington · 22-06-2011 12:24PM

Eever wrote: »

I don't understand everybody saying "get a sick note". Does everyones doctor just give them notes whether they're sick or not?

no but with the illness i posted have you looked at the symptoms?

Symptoms
Abdominal pain
Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Other symptoms may include:
Chills
Clammy skin
Excessive sweating
Fever
Joint stiffness
Leakage (incontinence) of stool
Muscle pain
Poor feeding
Vomiting blood (very rare)
Weight loss

Signs and tests
Your health care provider will look for signs that the body does not have enough water (dehydration). These include:
Dry or sticky mouth
Lethargic or comatose (severe dehydration)
Low blood pressure
Low or no urine output; concentrated urine appears dark yellow
Markedly sunken soft spots (fontanelles) on the top of an infant's head
No tears
Sunken eyes

So unless your doc is seriously investigative and lets face it a lot of them are not.
You would have no problem claiming to have;

Abdominal pain
Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Chills
Fever
Joint stiffness

All just "I feel like this" kind of thing, except the fever. And i think most people know how to give themselves a raised temperature for a short term.

By the way i'm not suggesting the OP or anyone else for that matter fakes symptoms in order to get a sick note or anything else from a doctor.
A good doctor should be able to tell immediately by your appearance if you have been shiittin your brains out for the last number of hours

Soups123 · 22-06-2011 12:24PM

I don't understand everybody saying "get a sick note". Does everyones doctor just give them notes whether they're sick or not?

I've always found doctors being paid never have too big a problem dishing out sick notes although infairness if you sit on a chair and complain that your not well its hard for them to refuse, always tends to be one doctor in an area that is more willing than others to sign you off.

Caveman1 · 22-06-2011 12:29PM

Would it be possible to arrange with someone who already has the week off to switch with you, just explain the situation and see how ya get on, then if you get no joy go with the dead relative story;)

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