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Police Inspector sues Greater Manchester Police after failing 'Riot Test'

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  • #32
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Not the OP, subsequent comments in relation to the equality question.


  • #33
    Fukuyama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    Dudess wrote: »
    Why wasn't it started by a man though? On these threads there are always the same old "Equality - it's an illusion", "If it was a man, there would be x reaction" whingey comments. Why not be pro-active so, instead of moaning on the internet?

    Because a woman had the balls to do it? :D


  • #34
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Indeed. I wonder how bad things have to get before we see a serious men's movement starting off? I'm all for equality, but that's not what we are getting.

    There are many many men's rights groups, tons of them, in Ireland, the UK and beyond. However, nobody is listening as the western world is too far left at this stage. Listening to what women's rights groups want is all that matters, they have power to lobby legislators and dictate social policy. Men's groups are literately laughed at when they attempt the same. There is no consequence of not listening to them, whereas if women's rights groups are not listened to: media storm, and so they get want they want, even if it is something which creates discrimination and inequality. Could be a thousand times more men's rights groups and not a hill of beans difference would it make. Hence the reason you see Spiderman climbing cranes :)


  • #35
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    This is not down to gender or age. I'm sure there are 50+ female officers who are more than capable of passing.

    Here's Martina Navratilova at Wimbledon last year. She's 55.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMF3rfLVgM8


  • #36
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Dudess wrote: »
    Why wasn't it started by a man though? On these threads there are always the same old "Equality - it's an illusion", "If it was a man, there would be x reaction" whingey comments. Why not be pro-active so, instead of moaning on the internet?
    Ok, who is going to throw themselves under the Queen's horse at the Derby?


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  • #37
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    There are many many men's rights groups, tons of them, in Ireland, the UK and beyond. However, nobody is listening as the western world is too far left at this stage.
    Why is the left of relevance? Is being an advocate of men's rights to the right? :confused:


  • #38
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Dudess wrote: »
    Why is the left of relevance? Is being an advocate of men's rights to the right? :confused:

    That can't be a serious question.


  • #39
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Dudess wrote: »
    Why wasn't it started by a man though? On these threads there are always the same old "Equality - it's an illusion", "If it was a man, there would be x reaction" whingey comments. Why not be pro-active so, instead of moaning on the internet?

    I know we are OT on this but my thoughts on your question are; I honestly don't know, but I do know that a lot of people even professionals have issues about males been involved in the care of female domestic abuse victims, usually along the lines of they are are better off seeing a female. I have to encounter this a lot in my own work where other professionals think that a female victim of sexual/domestic violence should only be seen by a female. If that is what the person wants that is fine, but a female for the sake of it no, and I have never have any complaints off my clients.

    So a long way of getting to my point is: as it can be difficult for a male to gain experience in this area, maybe apart from other factors, she had the experience and forthought to start it up. Sorry it took so long to get my point across, but the females understanding sexual/domestic violence better than a male is a bearbug of mine.


  • #40
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    But what's the relevance of things going to the left? Is it not left-wing to be an advocate of men's rights? I'd have thought it could be...


  • #41
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Dudess wrote: »
    But what's the relevance of things going to the left? Is it not left-wing to be an advocate of men's rights? I'd have thought it could be...

    ANYTHING can be left-wing, just depends on what the current situation is. If it is "political correct" to do so, then politicians will do it. If it's not, they won't and it will be a long while before it is considered PC to make sure men have equal rights to women, or to be more precise, to be seen to be doing something which is attempting to make sure men have equal rights to women. As that is what has been going on, a lot of legislation being passed and court decisions being made in an effort to look as if they are doing the "right thing" - hence THIS court decision. Even though it's a nonsense, nobody really cares, as the "right thing" is being done and it is that which liberals are best at. Take a look at the crap Harriet Harman tried to bring in and WAS bringing in until the torries got back in.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7474801.stm


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  • #42
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Dudess wrote: »
    What's opinion got to do with it? It's either a fact or it isn't - and unless you're a mind-reader you eh... don't know.

    OT: Yes, excessive political correctness is a huge problem in parts of the UK public sector.

    My opinon is based on my experience, like it or not!


  • #43
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Such as?


  • #44
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    That judgement is a lot of cack and makes you wonder how anyone could even contemplate such a decision, it flies in the face of logic and understanding.


  • #45
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Dudess wrote: »
    Such as?

    My experiences


  • #46
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,399 ✭✭✭amacca


    Redlion wrote: »

    By the way, I never understood how humiliation be measured in monetary terms. Do they have a chart ranging from defamation of character to shatting yourself at your own wedding?

    The statute book should state that there is a mandatory public award of one punt for that last one

    just to add to the humiliation


  • #47
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    My experiences
    Oh right, you can't answer. Anyhoo "Most female police officers yadda yadda".

    "Can you imagine if that was said by a woman about male police officers" etc.

    (Just to balance the whingeing like...)


  • #48
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Dudess wrote: »
    Oh right, you can't answer. Anyhoo "Most female police officers yadda yadda".

    "Can you imagine if that was said by a woman about male police officers" etc.

    (Just to balance the whingeing like...)

    I know better than to get into an arguement with the PC brigrade, it's a bit like arguing with a fool they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!


  • #49
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    I know better than to get into an arguement with the PC brigrade, it's a bit like arguing with a fool they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!
    Im rubber and youre glue?


  • #50
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Haha, you still can't answer - and you used the dumb phrase "PC brigade", and in relation to someone merely disagreeing with you and your unsubstantiated, unfair claim! :D


  • #51
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    So basically she failed because she is a tubster but because she is a woman its somehow unfair?


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  • #52
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Dudess wrote: »
    Haha, you still can't answer - and you used the dumb phrase "PC brigade", and in relation to someone merely disagreeing with you and your unsubstantiated, unfair claim! :D

    If it's any consolation I love women!


  • #53
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,582 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    For the lulz if they reduce the minimum requirements for older people and women the first 20 something male to fail the test should sue on the basis of the standards being too hard for him compared to the alternative lower requirements. These modern "equality" people nearly always end up in a twist.

    "Poor little ladies need help to reach physical standards or quotas to become a politician because they just can't do it themselves".

    That's what I hear when they open their mouths. I find it funny when they can't see the irony.


  • #54
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    WE WANT EQUALITY!!!!


    NO WAIT, WE WANT EXCEPTIONS MADE FOR US!!!!




    NO, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MINDS, DEFINITELY EQUALITY.


    ARGGHH, OK IN THIS INSTANCE, WHATS BEST FOR US?? THAT, WE WANT THAT!



    I've said it before, I'll say it against, feminists are not about equality or they would object to this as strenuously as they do football commentators (quite rightly). But they dont because they are not about "equality". They are a women's "union", which is fine but they should be honest about it. "Lads, you are on your own... remember when we talked about equality, what we meant was 'pressure group for more for women', everyone for themselves, good luck, devil take the hindmost."

    Equations have two sides, which balance.

    DeV.


  • #55
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    What makes you so sure it's about equality or feminists? Or is it just easier to bellow out the same tired auld mantras?


  • #56
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Because thats the legal framework she sued under.

    From the OP:
    "She brought a sex and age discrimination case against her force, Greater Manchester Police, and now stands to win up to £30,000 after an employment tribunal ruled in her favour. "


    Can I ask you Dudess, honest question, do you think women should be held to the same standards as men for such jobs?

    DeV.


  • #57
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    If you read my posts to this thread you will see I don't. Are you assuming I'm in agreement with her?

    I'm not in agreement with her, DeVore - I think it's utterly ridiculous. I'm just tired of seeing "Can you imagine if it was a man?", "Where are the feminazis now?", "Equality is a myth" comments - of course it had to be resorted to on the thread about a boy being stripped naked by girls... even though women condemned it and some men said the boy would have loved it. :confused:
    As sure as night follows day, there was similar sentiment on the "Irish men are ugly" thread... even though, again, there was barely any slating of Irish men's looks by women, but then if it was the opposite...

    I would say the very same if there was "Men have it better when it comes to xyz" stuff from women - if a woman did do that here though, she would get absolutely SLATED. It looks really hostile towards the opposite gender, it's very all encompassing. It doesn't take into account that there are plenty of people of that gender who would be opposed to the particular phenomenon being objected to, or in the case of e.g. parental rights, there are two sides to a lot of stories.


  • #58
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    she didn't train for the test in the first place because she was told she wouldn't have to take part in the shield run. how did she think she was exempt from it.

    The judge did say persons of her age group so that would mean men are at a disadvantage also.


  • #59
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I didnt ask if you were in agreement with her... I asked if you think women should be held to the same standards as men for such jobs?


    I actual think you are fair enough with your comments. I also think you are pretty unrepresentative, in my experience, of feminists.

    DeV.


  • #60
    ciff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭ciff


    Fraillty thy name is WOMAN!


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  • #61
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    DeVore wrote: »
    I also think you are pretty unrepresentative, in my experience, of feminists.
    I'm not a feminist, just someone who hates gender-based crap, whether it's thrown at a man or a woman. There are reasonable feminists too though - not fair when the unreasonable ones are used as a stick to beat them, and obviously what feminism achieved when it was created can only be a good thing... but it has gone too far in a lot of ways, and men DO experience crap for being men, undoubtedly. But not in every area of life, and stuff like "Men are second class citizens", "Women have rights, men have responsibilities" is just passive-aggressive rubbish. Women face crap for being women too in the areas where men don't. And then sometimes both experience gender-based crap for the same reasons, just in different contexts.

    It causes divisions though, instead of empathy, sadly... :-/


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