Lads, we're destroying the city...

One_Time · 04-06-2011 01:01PM #1

Someone's got a big problem with Dublin cyclists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeos7H8xLdQ

Captain Havoc · 04-06-2011 01:09PM

and will that fat **** complain about the extra traffic and HSE budget if we don't cycle?

Stark · 04-06-2011 01:14PM

Don't know what the concern for the taxpayer is about. He can't have a job if he has time to make that crap.

Lusk Doyle · 04-06-2011 01:20PM

He must be a painter looking for work!

tomasrojo · 04-06-2011 03:34PM

Saw that on bikesnobnyc yesterday; it was his wrong-answer clip for the weekly quiz. I managed about forty seconds before I had to stop.

kippy · 04-06-2011 03:37PM

The solution to this problem is surely more "actual" locking points for bikes around the city?
There are defo more people cycling but I dont think there has been a major increase in bike stands......

Bluefoam · 04-06-2011 05:14PM

Bikes are a historic, relevant ecological, current, practical, form of transport that frees up the city and saves individuals and the council money.

Lock your bike, wherever is practical & forget knobs who have nothing better in life than to moan at the small things.

DaveyDave · 04-06-2011 05:44PM

Wow, I don't know where to start. I have never had a problem with bikes being locked everywhere and the chipped paint on the bollards, they're not there to look pretty they're there to do the job...allowing us to lock our bikes :pac: I went to school near town for 6 years and frequent going after college so I should see them a lot, but to be honest I don't because I'm not a saddo looking for crap to bitch about like the creator of that video. I'm too busy actually doing stuff to care about chipped paint on a bollard.

All this is just trying to find a fault in just about everything. How much of this is actually a problem in real life? Not much. What about cars? They're always causing problems from parking illegally in bike lanes, swerving, passing instead of overtaking and even hitting us. How many of those are problems? Not many, we just have to deal with it.

Civilian_Target · 04-06-2011 05:57PM

Its true that bikes parked everywhere is obnoxious, and bikes going everywhere are a pain in the ass for motorists.

However, it's nothing compared to the visual blight of on-street car parking, meters, signage, and the smoke, noise and signage required to direct a few people in cars around the city.

As for endangering pedestrians....

I still believe that the best improvement that could be made to Dublin city centre would be removing private motorists. You could turn 2 lanes of College Green and Dame Street into pavement, instantly making it a pleasure rather than a misery to walk on. Same for Nassau Street, Anne Street, Dawson Street, Kildare Street and O'Connell Bridge.
Replacing the noise of traffic with space for a few buskers would improve the experience of 90% of visitors to the city centre.

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kippy · 04-06-2011 06:18PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Bikes are a historic, relevant ecological, current, practical, form of transport that frees up the city and saves individuals and the council money.

Lock your bike, wherever is practical & forget knobs who have nothing better in life than to moan at the small things.

I think its probably better to get to the root of the problem ( there arent actually enough secure bike parking areas (I am sure cyclists would be happier if there were more areas that were specificilly designed for parking bikes , perhaps with CCTV and the like) than to continue using articles that werent designed in areas that werent meant for bike locking.

While there are lots of people who like to moan about small things, it's much better to find a solution that will improve things for cyclists as well as keeping those people quiet (ie get them working for you)

Captain Havoc · 04-06-2011 06:22PM

He's on about the paint, in Kilkenny most of these posts are covered in plastic.

Bluefoam · 04-06-2011 06:32PM

kippy wrote: »

I think its probably better to get to the root of the problem ( there arent actually enough secure bike parking areas (I am sure cyclists would be happier if there were more areas that were specificilly designed for parking bikes , perhaps with CCTV and the like) than to continue using articles that werent designed in areas that werent meant for bike locking.

While there are lots of people who like to moan about small things, it's much better to find a solution that will improve things for cyclists as well as keeping those people quiet (ie get them working for you)

cycling is about convenience, it becomes less practical and less popular if you make people adhere to restrictive rules. Who wants to park their bike and then have to walk to their destination? I can't understand the negativity to bicycles...

Inquitus · 04-06-2011 06:43PM

It's Ireland, It's 2011 and the biggest gripe in this dude's life is bikes scratching the paint on lampposts and impeding street sweepers. :rolleyes:

Bluefoam · 04-06-2011 06:57PM

I wonder if there would be a similar reaction if the cyclist had been killed after being hit by the door?

I'm not trying to justify the use of violence...

kippy · 04-06-2011 06:57PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

cycling is about convenience, it becomes less practical and less popular if you make people adhere to restrictive rules. Who wants to park their bike and then have to walk to their destination? I can't understand the negativity to bicycles...

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

Bluefoam · 04-06-2011 07:02PM

kippy wrote: »

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

I wasn't aware of a law prohibiting the locking of bicycles to objects not specifically designated as bicycle parking. Nor have I ever noticed a public bike rack that was specifically designated or signposted as officially designated bike parking.

kippy · 04-06-2011 07:10PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

I wasn't aware of a law prohibiting the locking of bicycles to objects not specifically designated as bicycle parking. Nor have I ever noticed a public bike rack that was specifically designated or signposted as officially designated bike parking.

I am sure, that there is a law or an existing law could be used to prohibit the locking of bicycles to lampposts etc....... especially where that bicycle is causing an obstruction to people using the footpath.

Yep I havent noticed many of those bike racks either, and thats the problem surely.......

Bluefoam · 04-06-2011 07:10PM

kippy wrote: »

but what about the other footpath users??

What about other footpath users. I am a cyclist, a pedestrian a motorist and a motorcyclist. I am very aware of how people use their space, but I've rarely been negativity effected by general and appropriate bike parking.

Marguerite Tonery · 04-06-2011 07:12PM

I can't believe the guy took the time to produce that clip. This is Dublin as it is. This is real! This has historic value. Anyway if there were some descent places to lock your bike, people would avail of them.

Dowee · 04-06-2011 08:06PM

That's the best laugh I've had for a while!

Tremendous stuff.

04-06-2011 08:21PM

It's truly the stuff of whitewhine dreams.

Tonyandthewhale · 04-06-2011 09:24PM

kippy wrote: »

especially where that bicycle is causing an obstruction to people using the footpath.

Apart from the streetsweepers the bikes aren't in anyone's way. When's the last time you were unable to walk down the street because there were bikes parked on it?
As for inconvieniancing streetsweepers, it doesn't make much sense to legislate bikes off the streets just to keep them clean.

Stark · 04-06-2011 10:37PM

kippy wrote: »

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

They've been putting hoops on lamp posts recently to make it easier to lock your bike. Obviously the powers that be think it's okay, it's only a handful of cranks that think otherwise

tomasrojo · 04-06-2011 11:50PM

http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/blog/index.php/2010/09/bicycle-parking-trial-in-city-centre/

I think Dublin City Council said that it was going to have trouble getting more Sheffield stands into Dublin city centre, so cyclehoops were going to be used to meet some of the demand. So they are tacitly acknowledging that locking to poles is a valid parking strategy, I suppose.

EDIT: more here:

http://www.dublincycling.com/node/682

A survey carried out in 2007 revealed there are approximately 1,000 cycle stands within the city centre area.

"There is already evidence of a shortage of cycle parking facilities in the city centre.

"If the Department of Transport target is to be met it will be necessary to provide approximately 10,000 cycle parking spaces in the city," the council said.

The majority of the spaces will be provided within offices as a condition of planning permissions.

However, an additional 3,000 to 4,000 cycle stands will be required.

The council pointed out the provision of so-called Sheffield bicycle stands at all locations is "not possible".

"Dublin City Council is now in the process of developing a parking programme that comprises conventional Sheffield stands augmented by Cyclehoops," it said.

kippy · 04-06-2011 11:56PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/blog/index.php/2010/09/bicycle-parking-trial-in-city-centre/

I think Dublin City Council said that it was going to have trouble getting more Sheffield stands into Dublin city centre, so cyclehoops were going to be used to meet some of the demand. So they are tacitly acknowledging that locking to poles is a valid parking strategy, I suppose.

I dont get this.
Some people here advise that because the council are modifying poles to make them better for cyclists to use them means that all poles are suitable for locking to.
Surely the fact that poles are being modified shows that standard non modified poles are not suitable for locking bikes too........

Is there a bit of a persecution complex among certain people who cycle?
I mean, its obvious that the current situation cannot go on for numerous reasons - if the council "convert" more poles, isnt that surely a good thing?
And if "proper" bike racks pop up with some better security levels associated with them, isnt that a good thing for cyclists too?
Do you really enjoy locking your bikes to random poles?

tomasrojo · 05-06-2011 12:12AM

kippy wrote: »

Some people here advise that because the council are modifying poles to make them better for cyclists to use them means that all poles are suitable for locking to.
Surely the fact that poles are being modified shows that standard non modified poles are not suitable for locking bikes too........

Well, what I was getting at was that Dublin City Council appeared to be tacitly acknowledging that cyclists were going to have to continue to lock to poles, because there weren't enough Sheffield stands, and there will not be enough in the future either.

kippy wrote: »

Do you really enjoy locking your bikes to random poles?

If I'm going into a shop and there is no stand outside or nearby, I will lock my bike to a pole, usually not for very long. I lock it in such a way that it can't fall over and it isn't in anyone's way. A standard pole is fine for locking to, if you know how to lock your bike properly. The cyclehoop is good in that it allows you more options for locking, but it isn't necessary.

BostonB · 05-06-2011 12:27AM

I expect people lock them to poles, because either theres nothing better around, or they don't the problems with poles, or indeed how to lock a bike properly. So theres scope for some education about it.

Icyseanfitz · 05-06-2011 12:50AM

some people will just find anything to moan about seriously :rolleyes: bikes rubbing paint off street pole.......ffs these people wouldnt know a real problem if it bit them in the arse