Psychiatry is bogus

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Because I value my bodily integrity and nobody should have the right to initiate force against me against my will.

It may not go to a referendum but forced ECT could well be outlawed on the grounds it violates individual rights of which is bodily integrity is included. Medics have been slapped down before for being paternalisitc and there's no reason it can't happen again.

they've been calling for the outlawing of it for the past 30 years. The fact of the matter is, just like getting somebody sectioned, only in severe cases will the law allow it, where the individual right of bodily integrity is superceded by the immediate risk to the person's life.

33 wrote: »

Don't know where I fall in here, havent read the thread, but my last post was a goodbye message, I was taking mirtazapine for a few weeks and it fukked me up bigtime, I was suicidal from it, thats the truth, anybody that is prescribed such mind altering drugs really need to read the side effects, from my heart and soul I hate them, they nearly killed me softly, I didn't care, my brain chemistry and the "antidepressant" didn't click.

I'm not going to tell anybody what to take or not but be aware of what it is your taking and any possible side effects.

Don't know about that particular drug but drugs can make things worse in the short term but work in the long term. Often printed in the side effects.

If it effected you like that, it seems you made the right decision. Doesn't mean all anti depressants will not click with you.

33 wrote: »

Buddy, I have talked my way out of many psychological exams, I have fooled them all into thinking what it was I wanted them to think, thats the bottom line, I was suicidal and commited by family/gardai and spent no more than an hour being diagnosed, I was found to be of sound mind and within 24hrs was back to trying to end it all.
Diagnosis isn't really effective if your dealing with a case of somebody who has the intelligence to fool you, I find the whole psychology thing a joke, I suffer with a mental illness, or maybe even multiple mental illness's, this was made clear to me a few days ago when my Father read in the paper about the nutcase in Cork airport, my Da said a few days later that he thought it was me that he was reading about, when he read the story, I was shocked but understood where he was coming from, I'm mr unpredictable #1, I just know how easy it is to tell a psychiatrist a load of bollox and wave goodbye with a stamp of approval, a few pills that either aren't taken or all at once, which I have done umpteen times, I was asleep for 4 days a few years ago, I OD'd on the pills, took them all in one sitting one night and woke a few days later really thirsty, took me another few days to figure out what had actually happened, but all in all if they have a definate answer I will take it, if not they can fukk off for now.

Er, without breaking the charter on medical advice, I really would recommend you go see a doctor.

As far as them detaining/sectioning you....the legalities of it nowadays means that even in some of the most severe of cases, there is not much they can do if you are determined to walk out.

Naikon wrote: »

As regards ECT and "life saving", would it not make more sense to just induce a long ass coma? The efficacy for ECT is not positive in the slightest. I would like to hear from people who have actually suffered through ECT "treatment".

Firing electricity through the human brain without a specific target is akin to using a sledgehammer to drive a small nail.

good lord.....is that what your think ECT is.....firing electricity through the brain without a specific target?

the important bit is the convulsive bit not the electricity.....that's merely a trigger

33 wrote: »

the brain?, which bit, which cell, which receptor or transmitter, do u understand that it is not understood?

Er, you don't need to be too specific because the aim is to induce a seizure. An electrically induced convulsion is an electrically induced convulsion.

And I'm well aware of how its mechanism of action is not fully understood.

Naikon, I, and many others from the very beginning of this thread (was reading from the start for the lulz) have 'had you' soooooo many times that I'm genuinely curious about a malfunction in your browser when you go to actually click on the evidence being linked.

There have been numerous concrete and reputable links posted over and over and over and over and over again that say the exact same thing......in fact you've repeatedly posted evidence that proves the efficacy of the SSRIs also.

Ffs, STOP doing quick googles and then bringing the ideas to this thread when a good few of us have all heard the same stuff a billion times before.

Psychiatry is a medical specialty, remember that......if you look at almost any medical condition and do a quick google on cures for it, I can guarantee you will hit an absolute wall of nutritionists and alternative quacks peddling nonsense about how big pharma are evil dickheads and how every drug for every condition is essentially an addictive poison used to buoy up pharmaceutical companies' massively volatile share prices.

Without being facetious, if anybody out there has any doubts about the chemical element of human happiness, take some mdma. The vast majority of people report a profound and real happiness as it hits the serotonin and dopamine pathways and the next day, an often crippling sense of loss as the brain attempts to re-balance.

While you might take this as some sort of nutter telling people to take yokes and go on a mad one, remember the development of LSD was a huge moment in medical science as it so accurately mimicked the symptoms of schizophrenia.

Certain recreational drugs (although mdma was a psychotherapeutic drug before it hit the clubs and streets) have given huge insight into the working of the human brain.

the subjective experience of pure unadulterated happiness (ain't called ecstasy for nothing) caused by a tiny 100mg dose of a drug that specifically targets the serotonin receptors is one hell of a clue into what actually constitutes what we call happiness.

But crucially, the comedown the next day is so absolutely mind-blowingly similar to what one would call depression in the technical sense, that it would be absolutely impossible to not at least acknowledge that the chemical basis for depression is at least existent.