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Replacing School books with Ipads??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,658 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I think a laptop would be far more useful to be honest. Using Ipads just sounds like a gimmick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I think a laptop would be far more useful to be honest. Using Ipads just sounds like a gimmick.

    Plus the added bonus of a laptop being that little bit more rugged depending on the model of course

    The iPad in the hands of a schoolchild, could easily get broken in a school bag

    I also have no idea what mashed up bananas and ham sandwiches and schoolmilk would do to an iPad but it wouldn't be nice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Crow92


    Is there not a problem of prolonged viewing of laptops and i-pads on your eyes too?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    I'd agree it would cut costs and also that ebooks are easier to browse.
    However my own experience is they do not provide the same study benefit as normal texts, as knowledge is not as easily absorbed from the screen. It could be that this is due to my own habits and that school pupils might not face this issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    So now every parent has to shell out an extra €700 per child? Then there's most likely the issue of having to pay for the .pdf (or whatever format) of the schoolbooks/software that will be used. Ridiculous!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Bad idea, especially considering how locked down ipads and other apple crap is.

    Give them a laptop at least they be able to download and open pdf documents/books without too much hassle and be able to use many of the flash based interactive children stuff out there (why oh why is there no flash on apple stuff :rolleyes:)

    It would be cheaper too, if you want to save even more money and increase their chances of employment down the road then install linux on it :) there are distributions specifically designed for education.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    Plus the idea of kids with iPads makes them a massive target for criminals and other scum who could very easy end up with a couple of €€€k's worth with very little effort....

    Bad idea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    iPad's, laptops, other kinds of tablets - who cares? The fact is that kids who learn in dynamic, computerised schools with engaged teachers have better learning outcomes.

    See one example (an extract from BusinessWeek: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_22/b4230072816925.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5 )
    Julian's classroom has windows on three sides and room for his desk as well as a separate lectern. Inside, 27 children sit in front of 27 laptops, all logged on to the Khan Academy. Used in the classroom, the Khan Academy flips the traditional curriculum; students listen to the lectures at home, on their own time, and do the homework in class, which allows the teacher time to address student issues individually. As the class progresses, Julian wanders through the desks with an iPad running Khan's dashboard, so he can see who's ahead and who's behind. He doesn't really need it: He already knows exactly how each student is progressing. And he isn't doing as much individual teaching as one might expect. Often, the lagging students are tutored by the students who are ahead. "The kids know whom to call on," says Julian. "It happened on its own. They just began to get out of their seats and work with each other. They've identified their trustworthy peer tutors. They know they can call on Sriram and Akhil and Albert, and that they know what they're talking about. Mainly, I've had to spend time teaching them how to teach."

    Erin Green, principal of Covington, loves the Khan Academy and plans to expand it to more classrooms. "Many of the students are working at a level of mathematics that I have never seen in an elementary school before, maybe not even in a junior high school before," she says. "They're engaged and they're excited, and that's the most exciting part. It meets you at your level."

    The Khan Academy has also been introduced in two seventh-grade classrooms for struggling learners in the Los Altos district, and the district is considering using it in all schools next year. "Their improvement has been dramatic," says Khan of the slow group, who notes that his studies are small, not peer-reviewed, and just intended for him to get a sense of whether Khan Academy methods are working or not. "We're seeing 70 percent on average improvement on the pre-algebra topics in those classrooms. It definitely tells us it's not derailing anything. All the indicators say that something profound looks like it's happening."

    In Julian's class, Sriram, one of the standouts, is asked what he's working on.

    "Chains," he responds. "It's like a calculus thingy. But it's really easy."
    "Well, to him," says Julian.
    Sriram moves aside. The question on his screen looks like this:

    ƒ(x) = e cos(x)
    ƒ'(x) = ?

    Along the right side are five answers:

    e(cos(x)) - 1 • (tan(x))
    — (e - (cos(x))) cos(x) (csc(x))
    — (cos(x)) • e cos(x) + (sin(x))
    e cos(x) • (-sin(x))
    — None of these.


    Sriram explains in a halting, impossible-to-understand fashion how he arrives at the answer, plugs it in, and gets a "correct."

    "I don't get some of this stuff either," says Julian. "They're like, can you help me? I'm like, I have to go back and watch Salman's videos."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    There's a school in Limerick that's doing this as well for incoming 4th years. I thought it was ridiculous when I first heard it. as said above, if you're going down the technology route, a laptop would be cheaper and probably better.

    Also there's the fact that if you're doing all your work on a computer, what happens when it's time for the LC, specifically English or History, when you have to write a lot when you're not used to it? You also wouldn't have any spell checker that students may have been relying on in the previous three years.

    Not sure if the students will be just using the iPad for homework as well but if not, why an iPad? I'm sure there are cheaper eBook readers out there.

    Stupid idea IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    iPad's, laptops, other kinds of tablets - who cares? The fact is that kids who learn in dynamic, computerised schools with engaged teachers have better learning outcomes.

    See one example (an extract from BusinessWeek: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_22/b4230072816925.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5 )

    I don't think that article is an endorsement for computerized schools, it's an endorsement for kids having access to people who can teach math well.

    Actually I think that's the main reason I am skeptical of these school technology initiatives: there is too much focus on on the hardware and not enough on the basics. Plus the Khan institute makes these videos available for free - why are the learning software packages over 700 euros a student?

    Ultimately kids benefit more from well trained motivated teachers than fancy electronics in the classroom.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Risteard wrote: »
    There's a school in Limerick that's doing this as well for incoming 4th years. I thought it was ridiculous when I first heard it. as said above, if you're going down the technology route, a laptop would be cheaper and probably better.

    Also there's the fact that if you're doing all your work on a computer, what happens when it's time for the LC, specifically English or History, when you have to write a lot when you're not used to it? You also wouldn't have any spell checker that students may have been relying on in the previous three years.

    Not sure if the students will be just using the iPad for homework as well but if not, why an iPad? I'm sure there are cheaper eBook readers out there.

    Stupid idea IMO.
    Leaving aside the issue of the iPad vs other platforms:

    Why is it stupid that they do their leaving through the format they'll do most of their college and lead their working lives?

    It's stupid in the context of maintaining the form of the leaving cert, which is rather out of date compared to the reality, where people use spell checkers and computers at their desks all through their professional lives.

    The ability to effectively troubleshoot PC problems is now more important than the ability to handwrite perfectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭jurahnimoh


    If they take the books away then i ask, what will the children use to start fires to keep warm on cold days while mitching from school?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    I don't think that article is an endorsement for computerized schools, it's an endorsement for kids having access to people who can teach math well.

    Actually I think that's the main reason I am skeptical of these school technology initiatives: there is too much focus on on the hardware and not enough on the basics. Plus the Khan institute makes these videos available for free - why are the learning software packages over 700 euros a student?

    Ultimately kids benefit more from well trained motivated teachers than fancy electronics in the classroom.
    I would argue that both are required.

    I left school when I was 16, having hated it. Nowadays I love learning through interactive means. Kids do too - learning through games, through interactive programs, is more fun than work.

    A great teacher is better than a computer, I agree. But a great teacher combined with great learning tools?

    Don't tell me you truly believe that it's better to learn science from a rigid book vs an interactive program? Geography through Google Earth? Etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭ronan keane


    Ipad: Playing angry birds instead of history.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    Folks, I seen today that there is talk from a Mayo school that there are plans to replace schoolbooks with Ipads.


    What do people think about it? I would imagine it would save costs for families in the long run.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/will-ipads-in-schools-be-the-death-of-the-book/

    Why not replace the teachers with Robots to while their at it.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭coldwood92


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I think a laptop would be far more useful to be honest. Using Ipads just sounds like a gimmick.
    yeah but ipads are like super computers:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    why not just have the option of getting the books in an electronic format, at the moment my 14yr has to bring a bag to school thats half his body weight. we live half a mile from the school and there are days that his bag is just too heavy to carry.

    Id like the option where you can bring a memory stick or access a web site to get your books and leave the physical books in the school locker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭coldwood92


    Why not replace the teachers with Robots to while their at it.:D
    yeah that would take a while but i think humans are better more personally :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Crow92 wrote: »
    Is there not a problem of prolonged viewing of laptops and i-pads on your eyes too?

    No.

    Is a bit gimmicky to go for an ipad, the android platform would be far more suitable for an education environment, nobody actually does any real work on Apple...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Leaving aside the issue of the iPad vs other platforms:

    Why is it stupid that they do their leaving through the format they'll do most of their college and lead their working lives?

    It's stupid in the context of maintaining the form of the leaving cert, which is rather out of date compared to the reality, where people use spell checkers and computers at their desks all through their professional lives.

    The ability to effectively troubleshoot PC problems is now more important than the ability to handwrite perfectly.

    That's the leaving cert debate though. The Leaving cert does have its flaws no doubt about it. Focuses on memorising facts and figures instead of actually learning, for the most part. As such that's what the schools will do, try get the students the best grades possible, because that's what gets them into further education in University.

    In its current form, the Leaving cert relies on students writing for long periods of time, doing all your work on a computer while definitely beneficial to future life, could affect grades which prevent you from gaining a university place.

    Now I accept that the likelihood of this handwriting thing affecting college places significantly is small but still it could have an effect.

    I think it would be great if the Leaving Cert incorporated new subjects on technology and computers that allowed all students get a decent education into computers and how they work. Whatever I know about computers, which isn't an awful lot from technical sides of things, I learned from looking things up and just messing around.

    The point is that in its current form, rightly or wrongly, emphasis is placed an the ability to write for periods of tie which would be hampered by using and iPad full time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Tora Bora


    FFS! Kick up the donkey, and tell em to get their head into the books, and do a bit of learnin:P iPad my ...............:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Fittle


    Perhaps it's true what they say, and that I actually AM turning into my mother, but I think this is an appalling idea.

    The very first thing that struck me was the many other things children learn by turning the pages of a book - patience being one of them! In this age of technology when everything is so accessible to them (children) so easily and so quickly, the very process of reading a paper book gives them much more than the knowledge of the story. What about their handwriting? My own handwriting was wonderful back in the day, and I remember winning 'neatest copy' almost every week! Now I can barely read my own scrawl after years of using pc's - but at least I still have the basics.

    I sincerely hope this isn't rolled out across the whole education system - yes, I agree that we have to move with the times, and I am one of the many parents who complain about the costs of new books each September, but if this happens, we'll have raised a nation of 'text-speakers' who wouldn't know an apostrophe nor a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence, if it hit them in the eye:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,628 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Fittle wrote: »
    Perhaps it's true what they say, and that I actually AM turning into my mother, but I think this is an appalling idea.

    The very first thing that struck me was the many other things children learn by turning the pages of a book - patience being one of them! In this age of technology when everything is so accessible to them (children) so easily and so quickly, the very process of reading a paper book gives them much more than the knowledge of the story. What about their handwriting? My own handwriting was wonderful back in the day, and I remember winning 'neatest copy' almost every week! Now I can barely read my own scrawl after years of using pc's - but at least I still have the basics.

    I sincerely hope this isn't rolled out across the whole education system - yes, I agree that we have to move with the times, and I am one of the many parents who complain about the costs of new books each September, but if this happens, we'll have raised a nation of 'text-speakers' who wouldn't know an apostrophe nor a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence, if it hit them in the eye:(

    Poor argument to make, Youe whole basis of not pursuing a computerised system is because you cant do handwriting as well as you did when you were 9.

    It makes sense and studies have proven successful, which is a far cry from the results that are being achieved currently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    Nijmegen

    iPad's, laptops, other kinds of tablets - who cares? The fact is that kids who learn in dynamic, computerised schools with engaged teachers have better learning outcomes.

    Is that a fact? Or at least a theory backed up by peer reviewed evidence?

    There is some research that says computers do not help exam results
    New research by economists Ofer Malamud and Cristian Pop-Eleches provides an answer: For many kids, computers are indeed more of a distraction than a learning opportunity. The two researchers surveyed households that applied to Euro 200, a voucher distribution program in Romania designed to help poor households defray the cost of buying a computer for their children. It turns out that kids in households lucky enough to get computer vouchers spent a lot less time watching TV—but that's where the good news ends. "Vouchered" kids also spent less time doing homework, got lower grades, and reported lower educational aspirations than the "unvouchered" kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    +1 for the laptop brigade, ipads are just too restricted. Also, I'm sure most people would agree that for things like typing, touch screen is a F*CKING nightmare.

    I do agree study needs to become more hi tech, I just don't think irritating restricted touch screen devices are the way to go. The iPad doesn't even allow USB, it's the mother of all proprietary systems. It doesn't support Flash either, ironically because Steve Jobs says "Flash is a closed, proprietary system and we don't like that" :D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    "The kids know whom to call on," says Julian.

    "They're like, can you help me? I'm like, I have to go back and watch Salman's videos."

    Tip for the school - lose the technology and get teachers who can speak English.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭coldwood92


    A teacher was telling me there a couple of years that dubs have all their books on laptops!
    Laptops are have heavy if a school was thinking of bring in laptops i would say use netbooks on account of how they are light

    http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/the-school-that-gives-every-student-an-ipad-915539

    Folans have online books for teacher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Fittle wrote: »
    but if this happens, we'll have raised a nation of 'text-speakers' who wouldn't know an apostrophe nor a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence, if it hit them in the eye:(

    But would it matter, if we end up in a situation in which EVERYBODY communicates this way?
    Opposing the evolution of language is pointless and petty in my view.

    U MAD BRO? Me liekz0rz teh interwebz 1337 sp33k...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭coldwood92


    Shelflife wrote: »
    why not just have the option of getting the books in an electronic format, at the moment my 14yr has to bring a bag to school thats half his body weight. we live half a mile from the school and there are days that his bag is just too heavy to carry.

    Id like the option where you can bring a memory stick or access a web site to get your books and leave the physical books in the school locker.

    physical books are heavy and memory sticks can get lost
    access a web site get your books = Folans


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Fittle


    But would it matter, if we end up in a situation in which EVERYBODY communicates this way?
    Opposing the evolution of language is pointless and petty in my view.

    U MAD BRO? Me liekz0rz teh interwebz 1337 sp33k...

    I wasn't aware that text-speak WAS the evolution of language:confused:


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