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N17 Claregalway Inner Relief Road

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I thought the NRA was taking over R Road funding from this year ?? Announced April budget time .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Ah ok. So this mightnt make any difference at all then :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Noel Grealish as an Independent supporting the Government is now in a position to demand the money and get this started for him to continue supporting the feckers in power. Jackie Healey Rae makes his position work very well in kerry, so perhaps Noel could do the same, he'll never have to worry about being re-elected again if he manages it.;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Grealish organises a few quid so this plan can go back to the beginning. As this contract is due for an award in October there is no chance of an EIS being complete before mid 2012 by which stage we will have had an election. Nice kick to touch there Grealish.

    This bypass was specifically promised by Grealish in the JUNE 2007 program for government , hasn't he done remarkably in 3 long years :)

    I was quite sure that some route was long ago selected for the Claregalway bypass until this appears during the week. I did not realise we were right back at the starting gate thanks to Noel Grealish :(

    http://etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUL161215
    Galway Council proposes to procure engineering consultancy services for the management and delivery of the N17 Baile Chláir (Claregalway) Inner Relief Road in accordance with the 2010 NRA Project Management Guidelines and any other general engineering services as required in the delivery of the scheme. Phases may include: Phase 2 Route Selection, Phase 3 Design and Phase 4 EIA/EAR & The Statutory Processes.

    And it is supposed to be 10km long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Take Mayo for example, towns in the county were bypassed years ago, towns with relatively low traffic volumes, e.g Swinford, N5, was bypassed 16 years ago, back in 1993 and i dont know traffic counts for back then but going on what they are at present (8,000 tops) they must have being no more than 5,000 at the time (1993).

    !

    Ballina???? where is the bypass please?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭padunne


    dubhthach wrote: »
    This basically follows one of the route selections that was put forwarded over 10years ago (I recall the maps on display in the city library). Of course that's fairly standard for road development in Galway, my father was involved in designing a bypass of Moycullen in early 70's (72-73 I think?) of course it never got built and Moycullen is still without a bypass.

    Plus ca change!


    Ha. I live in Moycullen and talk of a bypass has been around since i was born. Im only 20 but i have not seen a single shred of work done for a bypass in my life. I honestly dont think it needs a bypass. Maybe widen the road as you enter the village and resurface it. The problem with traffic is school kids. When halloween break etc comes i can make it to town in 15 min. At the same time during school term it takes over an hour. Simply solution here is make them use a bus like they should.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Western501


    The provision of a bypass for Claregalway will take a significant step forward next month when the route options will be presented to the four local area councillors and a public meeting will be held in the village to coincide with this.
    Members of the public will get an opportunity to examine the proposed routes after which an emerging preferred route will emerge and it is hoped that it will go to the compulsory purchase stage by late autumn.
    The public meeting is scheduled to take place on June 15th at which four possible routes for the inner relief will be put on display and the public will be encouraged to make submissions on what they see to Galway County Council.
    It is viewed as a very significant step forward in the provision of the much delayed bypass for the village-and also because of the fact that local business community were told by the previous Governent that an inner relief road would never be provided.
    Residents were told that the proposed Gort to Tuam motorway would effectively be the Claregalway bypass and this caused a lot of local anger at the time.
    But there have been considerable delays to the M17/M18 project which has, over the past six months, put the Claregalway bypass back on the agenda.
    Galway West TD Noel Grealish has welcomed the news that a presentation of the suggested routes is to be made to the four councillors in the Oranmore Electoral Area and believes that the route selection process could be concluded by the end of the summer.
    “This is part of the procedure for getting the road ready to the compulsory purchase order stage and it is another step in the right direction for this project”, Deputy Grealish added.
    The Independent TD said that the consulting engineers along with Galway County Council were also preparing to give a public presentation to the residents and the business community in Claregalway.
    “I have fought long and hard to have this relief road built around Claregalway, which has more than 30,000 vehicles passing through on a daily basis, and I am delighted that the project continues to make progress”, Deputy Grealish added.
    “I am also calling on RPS Consulting Engineers to give a public presentation to the residents and business owners in Claregalway on the route selection and I am hoping that this will take place in early June.
    “I have fought a long campaign to have this Relief Road built around Claregalway and I am delighted that the project continues to progrtess,” he said.
    “This road is even more crucial now that the company selected to construct the new M17 has run into difficulty in securing finance to construct the new motorway.
    “Given that the new M17 is unlikely to be built for many years, it is vitally important that the Claregalway inner Relief Road is constructed to give some relief to commuters, residents and business people within the village of Claregalway, which is one of the main bottlenecks along the N17,” Deputy Grealish concluded.

    by Declan Tierney, Connacht Tribune


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    padunne wrote: »
    Ha. I live in Moycullen and talk of a bypass has been around since i was born. Im only 20 but i have not seen a single shred of work done for a bypass in my life. I honestly dont think it needs a bypass. Maybe widen the road as you enter the village and resurface it. The problem with traffic is school kids. When halloween break etc comes i can make it to town in 15 min. At the same time during school term it takes over an hour. Simply solution here is make them use a bus like they should.

    People are going to be fat and lazy - build the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I have plans for the Claregalway Inner Relief Road. I thought they were the final plans, why the hell does this have to go to Route Options and Public Consultation?

    This country needs a fast-track method of construction. Call it "Critical National Infrastructure" or something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Western501


    Completely agree...I know that Claregalway bypass/relief road has been talked about for at least 10 years (possibly longer)....
    These things do seem to go around in circles.... seems to be the way that all the government projects work unfortunately.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,718 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I have plans for the Claregalway Inner Relief Road. I thought they were the final plans, why the hell does this have to go to Route Options
    Because different options will have different benefits and costs. The cheapest isn't always the best and vice versa.
    and Public Consultation?
    Becuase those planning the road don't know everything.
    This country needs a fast-track method of construction. Call it "Critical National Infrastructure" or something like that.
    This usually went on in a certain tent nearer Galway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭dynamick


    EIS and public consultation are required by the EU.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Delaying final route selection to end 2011 delays the EIS publication to late 2012 or early 2013.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are notices in the local papers about a public consultation - preferred route corridor on Wednesday the 23rd from 4pm to 8pm at the Claregalway hotel.

    It says the preferred route corridor will be displayed.


    I don't see the notice on the county council website.
    http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/PublicNotices/

    Edit: Title of this thread should probably be renamed Baile Chláir Inner Relief Road as it is in the paper or Bóthar Faoiseamh Inmheánach Bhaile Chláir


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Western501


    What paper did you see this in? I didn't see in the Connacht Tribune.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's on page 39 of this weeks lifestyle and sports section - next to the planning notices.

    It is also in the Advertiser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Western501


    Thanks...found it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,827 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Edit: Title of this thread should probably be renamed Baile Chláir Inner Relief Road as it is in the paper or Bóthar Faoiseamh Inmheánach Bhaile Chláir

    Unlike Foras na Gaelige et al, some of us recognise that Claregalway has no reason to be in a pretendy Gaeltacht. And indeed it won't be if the proposals to revise boundaries go through, because virtually nobody there speaks Irish at all, let alone as their first language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    MYOB wrote: »
    Unlike Foras na Gaelige et al, some of us recognise that Claregalway has no reason to be in a pretendy Gaeltacht. And indeed it won't be if the proposals to revise boundaries go through, because virtually nobody there speaks Irish at all, let alone as their first language.

    Interesting enough there is a greater percentage of people who are daily/weekly speakers of Irish (outside of Education) in Oranmore then in Claregalway (15% vs. 12.6%). Most of speakers in Claregalway area are old. The language shift occurred in the last 50 years. My sister who lives out there says the "old people" have beautiful Irish. Thing is they didn't pass it onto their children. The number of Dailyspeakers is 194. Anyways all the Category C areas would be removed, too few resources been spread over to wide an area.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I called into the information session last night. I picked up a copy of the preferred route and if I don't find a copy online I will scan it and post it at the weekend.

    The blue route was chosen - this is one on the east side of the village with a roundabout near the engineering works on the Tuam side of the village, another at the N18 by the corporate park and a third at Cregboy / near the start of the bus lane.

    There would also be staggered junctions for two local roads that will be cut by the new road.

    I spoke to someone there - they have funding to plan this but nothing to build it. The current planning will probably be used to preserve the route.

    I asked if there would be any problems at the N18 roundabout in the evenings with traffic coming from Carnmore potentially having prominence over traffic coming from Galway but the man I spoke to suggested it would probably be built after the motorway is built which would take a lot of the traffic away...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Proposed route here

    http://www.nuachtchlair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Brochure-2011-A3-Reduced.pdf

    someone can get the graphic out. Comes out village side of Terry Brennans pub not at N63 Roscommon Road junction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Proposed route here

    http://www.nuachtchlair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Brochure-2011-A3-Reduced.pdf

    someone can get the graphic out. Comes out village side of Terry Brennans pub not at N63 Roscommon Road junction.

    Here you go:

    baile-chlair.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Thankfully they dropped the 6 other roundabouts i saw in the original draft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Thankfully they dropped the 6 other roundabouts i saw in the original draft.

    Indeed well the original draft plan was very much "developer centric" and was tied in with rezoning vast swathes of land around the village for development "Celtic Tiger" style.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    dubhthach wrote: »
    Indeed well the original draft plan was very much "developer centric" and was tied in with rezoning vast swathes of land around the village for development "Celtic Tiger" style.

    Most of the roundabout exits looked more like the entrances to Atlantis .:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    Not a bad plan overall should be relatively cheap to build


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    I'd rather they brought it onto the N63 and made two proper junctions for the N17/N63 & the bypass off the N63, but as plans go it's not bad


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