Will UCI appeal the Contador case?

TheBlaaMan · 22-03-2011 07:34PM #1

The UCI have about 48 hours left to decide. Its beginning to look like they may not appeal.

I've flip-flopped from thinking he was unfairly treated to feeling he's as guilty as sin and back again. Still not sure.

amjon. · 22-03-2011 07:44PM

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

The UCI have about 48 hours left to decide. Its beginning to look like they may not appeal.

I've flip-flopped from thinking he was unfairly treated to feeling he's as guilty as sin and back again. Still not sure.

Contador should be shot at dawn but I'll settle with an appeal by the UCI.

petethedrummer · 22-03-2011 08:54PM

"We accept the findings of the Spanish Federation and don't want to interfere with their decision. We'd like to put this all behind us and get on with the racing. My God!!! Whats that over there?"
*Runs Away*

Hail 2 Da Thief · 24-03-2011 11:18AM

Yes they will

Lumen · 24-03-2011 11:24AM

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

Yes they will

The UCI have nothing to lose by appealing. If the appeal wins, they can just point at the CAS. If the appeal loses, they can just point at the CAS.

lescol · 24-03-2011 01:13PM

They have indeed appealed!

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7884/UCI-to-appeal-Contador-doping-case-to-Court-of-Arbitration-for-Sport.aspx

wayne0308 · 24-03-2011 02:34PM

Can he still compete while the case is under appeal?

RobFowl · 24-03-2011 03:00PM

wayne0308 wrote: »

Can he still compete while the case is under appeal?

Yes he can

amjon. · 24-03-2011 03:07PM

RobFowl wrote: »

Yes he can

But any wins will be voided from the record books if he is found guilty, right?

AstraMonti · 24-03-2011 03:30PM

RobFowl wrote: »

Yes he can

So from being guilty, he went to innocent until found guilty? again?

petethedrummer · 24-03-2011 03:37PM

He shall be forever known as Alberto Contador*.

TinyExplosions · 24-03-2011 03:38PM

AstraMonti wrote: »

So from being guilty, he went to innocent until found guilty? again?

From being suspected, he was cleared and is now on appeal, so there's always been the presumption of innocence... the initial ban is always put in place but is not a presumption of guilt

...though he's guilty in my mind!

CramCycle · 24-03-2011 03:54PM

Why is there no innocent option? :pac:

TinyExplosions · 24-03-2011 03:58PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Why is there no innocent option? :pac:

Because he isn't innocent -there was a banned substance found, and according to the UCI rules, for Clenbuterol there isn't a minimum amount. The only possibility is accidental ingestion, but he's still 'guilty' of having the substance in his body

CramCycle · 24-03-2011 04:01PM

My bad

niceonetom · 24-03-2011 09:30PM

petethedrummer wrote: »

He shall be forever known as Alberto Contador*.

As it should be.

I can handle the * being added retrospectively. What I can't get to grips with at all is watching racing and not knowing who is really winning at the present.

The current situation makes a farce of every race that Bertie is allowed to race - everything he's doing right now (and has done since he tested positive last July) will be struck from history if he's banned. Think about this one: Volta

Yesterday Bertie attacked on the last climb of the day to Andorra, won the stage and with it almost certainly the whole race... or did he? Maybe he'll be banned whenever this charade is resolved and what I actually watched was Levi Leipheimer accelerate off the front and get overhauled my Scarponi for the stage win? Is Dan Martin on course for a podium or not?

This is the situation that the pathetic Spanish Federation have put us in.

And this is only the Volta. If we're still doing this mental gymnastics in the Ardennes, or the Giro, or (Mario help us) during Le Tour, well, for the first time I'll seriously consider ignoring these races.

The riders must be aware of this too. What if Bertie attacks on a climb again? Is there any need to respond to him? His efforts might afterall be irrelevant. Or they might not be. That uncertainty could even play to his psychological advantage on a climb.

Hopefully the ASO will have the balls to exclude him from the Tour. Maybe. The RCS might take the risk and invite him to the Giro. He'd certainly be welcome at the Vuelta if this isn't resolved by then, and given the pace of these investigations I wouldn't be surprised.

There are many situations where the presumption of innocence does not extend to allowing a person to continue in their role until adjudged innocent or guilty. Teachers, doctors, accountants etc. can all be stopped from working whilst being investigated. Maybe cyclists should be the same.

Hermy · 24-03-2011 09:48PM

niceonetom wrote: »

I can handle the * being added retrospectively. What I can't get to grips with at all is watching racing and not knowing who is really winning at the present.

Considering the cloud of suspicion that hangs over so many riders are any of them really winning?

ednwireland · 25-03-2011 09:12AM

niceonetom wrote: »

As it should be.

I can handle the * being added retrospectively. What I can't get to grips with at all is watching racing and not knowing who is really winning at the present

meh i've been watching cycling on and off since the late seventies and nothing has changed peopel have been banned. these days i tend to watch races and put all that other stuff to the back of my mind and what will be will be.

although in the case of contador the UCI and mcquaid have made a complete mess of the process, and honestly thats where the problem lies.

Guybrush T · 25-03-2011 10:47AM

Hermy wrote: »

Considering the cloud of suspicion that hangs over so many riders are any of them really winning?

I have a minority view point on this, so I'm not going to push it too hard but in my opinion, the guy who crosses the line first wins.
I can see the argument that if Contador is finally found guilty he should lose the 2010 TDF title as he won it using illegal assistance, but if he wins the Volta a Catalunya, or any other race but is subsequently sanctioned for the TDF doping then those results should stand, he won them fairly, while allowed to race.
If you strike his results then it devalues the other riders achievements, Dan Martin may get a podium place, but he was still fourth fastest on the day.

I agree the UCI have dropped the ball, but can't see them picking it up any time soon.

sxt · 26-03-2011 11:23PM

I am still unclear on how you can breach the rules for doping, plus have traces of plastic in your blood and still be encouraged to ride competively?

"Contador’s defence against the clenbuterol positive has been all-but-invalidated by the fact that the European Union banned the substance in 1996. Of 83,203 meat samples across Europe which were tested in the last two years, only one was found to have contained the substance. The positive sample was not found in Spain, which is where Contador claimed the meat had come from

http://blogs.bettor.com/Alberto-Contador-threatens-to-quit-cycling-a33374"

Anyone?

TheBlaaMan · 27-03-2011 02:52PM

I sense that we are being softened up for some sort of absolution of Contador from any real punishment. I dont know how CAS work - presumably that are totally independent and above any interference - but McQuaids language over the past week suggests to me that the UCI will accept a lot less than a ban for Mr Clenbutador. He says that they had to appeal because the political interference from the Spanish PM meant "we really had no option but to do what we did" - that doesnt really suggest that the substantive issue of doping is actually the real problem any more - more one of optics for the sport(?)
I suspect that they would all just wish the thing went away - and sooner rathern than later. Both Prudomme and McQuaid seem to be on the same hymnsheet about the issue, in any case, so I guess we'll have to await the outcome. Or maybe its all very straightfoward and we like conspiracy theories a bit too much...?

Morrisseeee · 26-05-2011 10:07AM

Latest news
In brief:
Case may not be resolved before Tour de France

Alberto Contador’s Clenbuterol case may not be resolved before the Tour de France, according to reports in Spain, as his legal team appears to have sought an extension of a Court of Arbitration for Sport deadline for the delivery of defence documentation.

Citing the Spanish Cycling Federation’s legal advisor Luis Sanz, AS reports that the CAS hearing on the matter will not now take place before mid-July and could even be delayed until September :eek:. The revised date for the hearing is set to be announced on Monday.

not sane · 26-05-2011 11:52AM

yes I think he's guilty and all of this has ruined the Giro for me and now it looks like the Tour will be the same.

Inquitus · 26-05-2011 11:58AM

not sane wrote: »

yes I think he's guilty and all of this has ruined the Giro for me and now it looks like the Tour will be the same.

Can the ASO prevent him or his team from riding?

TinyExplosions · 26-05-2011 11:59AM

not sane wrote: »

yes I think he's guilty and all of this has ruined the Giro for me and now it looks like the Tour will be the same.

Unless the ASO tell him he's not welcome.

Saxo should man up and do similar to what Lampre did in the Giro and not send any riders under suspicion

ROK ON · 26-05-2011 12:00PM

not sane wrote: »

yes I think he's guilty and all of this has ruined the Giro for me and now it looks like the Tour will be the same.

Not sure on this. ISTR that it it up to the ASO who is invited to the TDF. Now Saxo get an automatic invite, but Astana did not get an invite a few years back due to Vino. That was the last TDF that Contador missed.

Others more knowledgeable can clarify. However IMO the ASO seem to care more about who races the TDF than the organisers of the Giro or Vuelta.

Diarmuid · 26-05-2011 12:31PM

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Saxo should man up and do similar to what Lampre did in the Giro and not send any riders under suspicion

I can really see Riis doing that :pac:

Morrisseeee · 26-05-2011 12:37PM

Before this latest 'delay' :rolleyes: I was veering towards Conti getting an 'innocent' verdict from CAS, and I think that oppinion is even more strenghtened now !! It would be great to see what goes on behind the scenes (politically etc) as this type of decision is made.

TinyExplosions · 26-05-2011 12:48PM

I'm surprised he hasn't just donated 20k to the UCI -it's seemed to have worked in the past (allegedly)

Pherekydes · 26-05-2011 01:20PM

What the fug takes these CAS idiots so long? Forget the evidence. Everyone else knows he's guilty. Just turn the baxtard over to us so we can stone him.

Diarmuid · 26-05-2011 01:46PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

What the fug takes these CAS idiots so long? Forget the evidence. Everyone else knows he's guilty. Just turn the baxtard over to us so we can stone him.

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