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how to build a dry stone wall

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭harry21


    ponddigger wrote: »
    hi here is photos of the tools i used on my first dry stone entrance:D hi ronn pm me for imfo. hi bk needs must payed the bills this week. :p ponddigger


    You'll have to get one of these. No stone mason should be without one!
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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 318 ✭✭brendankelly


    Read his response to Ronn post????????.

    He did not claim to be an apprentice of Patrick McAfee, I said that here is excellent instruction available in McAfee's 'Irish Stone Walls' and that it was worth every cent. I think you could be a bit more constructive in your comments even if they are to be critical and leave the snide ones out



    Originally Posted by ronn viewpost.gif
    Fair play to ya pond digger, looks great to me,,, Where did you do the course and was it expensive,, have you any info about it, id love to have a go a that,biggrin.gif


    Best instruction available and worth every cent Irish Stone Walls by Patrick McAfee (ps I am not him)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 318 ✭✭brendankelly


    Most Planning Authorities are not fools and they do have a reason to stipulate in cases Dry Stone Walls. You price building Dry Stone Walls and there are some home owners that do not know the difference between Dry Stone and Stone Faced but there are some in the Planning Authority that do know the difference. In my opinion you are false advertising and trying to deceive people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Brendan I had posted that, and had meant that in relation to the book and not that I had received training by him. In fairness my post could have been clearer. the book is excellent however ans a vital guide for anyone interested in building with stone. i had come across your youtube video before


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 the spout


    hi ponddigger. thanks for info looking at photos of round pier ,what is the white plastic for .dont kmow what some others are on about,keep up the good work jim:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi bill.when you are building a round pier.you put a3in round steel pole into the concrete when you are pouring it .you plum the pole with a level.when you are building the pier you can use a line and pencil to keep the pier plum,also you can mark the stone with the pencil so you can shape it with chilels to suit the pier cons.see photos:Dponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi bill.2 more things about the steel pole.the steel pole must be galvanised to make sure it wont rust. you can weld a steel bracket to the pole to hang gates:Dponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭littlemis


    To be fair I can understand why BK, may be a bit irritated if he builds dry stone walls without using the 4in block...However I can also see why people are using it....I have to say I have seen stone walls being built down through the years,& only ever during the boom have I seen it being done as some may say the cheat way with the 4in block....However I think it may have been the building boom,that was the cause of this method of wall building to be used.How many house's and estates have we seen being built with stone walls at the entrance, how many of these were done at break neck speed?I have even seen the house's themselves to be clad in this way.....Now rightly or wrongly each to their own,and just my opinion here but maybe just maybe someone out there who can build dry stone walls the old way,would like to post some photos that us amature DIY'ers can see and follow...If not can you at least allow the rest of us to follow ponddigger's way please....Sorry this is so long winded.{typical littlemis}:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 318 ✭✭brendankelly


    I do not always agree with the planning Authorities but there were 2 reasons why Dry Stone Walls were stipulated in planning permission.

    1 Environmental issues. To create a natural habitat to replace the dry stone wall or ditch removed.
    and
    2 Social issues. A dry stone wall will fall if hit by a car etc, where by a concrete block, Mass concrete, stone faced etc wall will not.

    I have seen first hand what happened when a motor bike with a young couple hit a stone faced wall. I place flowers at the wall every year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭littlemis


    Not trying to score points or anything here, but if you are saying that a 4in block wall which has stone in front of it like what is in the photos@will not fall at the point of crash impact..then I disagree with you sir.My reason is because I have come upon said accident where car crashed into wall,wall fell,wall rebuilt.I also have been in accident where car crashed into wall {no cladding} in order to avoid head on collision with lorry.Again wall rebuilt....

    But yes i can see how a motorbike may not knock a wall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 the spout


    hi ponddigger thanks for imfo,i am building 4 piers with 2 curved walls ,stone on both sides of wall, i be back to you during thw week bill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi ,we also learnt how to cut and shape a flat round stone cap for round piers ,on the 2 day stone course:Dponddigger ps see photos


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 318 ✭✭brendankelly


    There is nothing wrong with your stone faced block wall.

    But to build a stone faced block wall on contract when a dry stone wall is specified is dishonest and I do not think you have heard the last about falsely using Patrick mc Fees name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭bandit197


    There is nothing wrong with your stone faced block wall.

    But to build a stone faced block wall on contract when a dry stone wall is specified is dishonest and I do not think you have heard the last about falsely using Patrick mc Fees name.

    Brendan I think you need to take a read back carefully through this thread.
    1. Ponddigger never once mentions Patrick McFee's name never mind claiming to be an apprentice of his.
    2. You are accusing him of dishonesty by claiming he built a wall that was not specified. He clearly said that the client wanted a 4inch block wall faced with 5inch stone
    I think you owe Ponddigger an apology here.

    To clear up any confusion here, the walls being referred to are known technically as Dry Joint Stone Walls.

    Ponddigger, I am enjoying your thread. It can clearly be seen that you are improving your work as you progress. Fair play to you for giving this a go. I have worked with stone for 10 years but have started on a totally unrelated career path now.
    You will find a lot of ego's in this trade and people who think they know it all. You will find that it is totally subjective, that is what style one person likes will not be what another person likes. I found this all the time with different clients and sometimes had to build in a style that I personally didn't like the look of. But the customer is always right and as long as what you build is structurally sound and in accordance with specifications then thats all that matters.
    Some engineers specify using rigid wall ties (minus the plastic holder) to be built into the block you are facing. Keep them back an inch or two from where the face of the stone will be. When the block is set you can bend them to suit. Don't spare them.
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    I believe the thinking behind this is that cut expanded metal strips may begin to corrode at the point where they were cut over time.

    Keep an eye on your vertical joints in the stonework and be sure to cross them as soon as possible.

    Best of luck with it, keep the pictures coming and give me a shout if you need any advice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    There is nothing wrong with your stone faced block wall.

    But to build a stone faced block wall on contract when a dry stone wall is specified is dishonest and I do not think you have heard the last about falsely using Patrick mc Fees name.

    I don't know how to put this any clearer. Ponddigger did not mention McAfee, I did. It was in relation to his book 'Irish Stone Walls'. I even said that I was not him (McAfee) in case people though I was him and was plugging my own book. But I do stand by my assertion that it is an excellent source of information for anyone interested in stonebuilding. That is that last I am commenting on it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi all,nice to see some people can read a thread without making mistakes.ok bandit179 how do you build a square pier not using a level ,but using 4 strings:confused:ponddigger ps photos of job you might like,doing it this week, post them thursday night


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 the spout


    hello again, when you mark the job for concrete how do you keep the two walls the same on the curve jim:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi bill, not to sure ,i will ask a good stone mason how to do it:confused:ponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi all some photos of a stone job we done this week ,3 foot hight dry joint stone wall with 4 in block on flat ,behind 9 in stone.:Dponddigger


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,857 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    ponddigger wrote: »
    hi all some photos of a stone job we done this week ,3 foot hight dry joint stone wall with 4 in block on flat ,behind 9 in stone.:Dponddigger


    Now thats just savage looking.

    Well done on a lovely looking water feature.:):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi p147 here are photos of finish waterfall and fence:D:Dponddigger ps .bk this is what the people wanted,i also got paid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 the spout


    hi ponddigger.lovely work,nice to see stone being for the waterfall.its looks so natural,keep the photos comming. bill;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭littlemis


    ponddigger wrote: »
    hi p147 here are photos of finish waterfall and fence:D:Dponddigger ps .bk this is what the people wanted,i also got paid

    love the water feature,but tell me did you make the fence also?If so are they posts or dowls like handles of brush etc....:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi littlemis,knew you like the stone waterfall. yes we made the fence,with 2 in round tree stakes.the upright posts are made out of 4in round stakes .very easy to make.:Dponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭littlemis


    ponddigger wrote: »
    hi littlemis,knew you like the stone waterfall. yes we made the fence,with 2 in round tree stakes.the upright posts are made out of 4in round stakes .very easy to make.:Dponddigger

    Well done ,I really admire your work...:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi littemis.some photos of fence:Dponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    hi little job we done sat.built raised hearth about 12 in of floor to suit hearth stone we cut ,to take of square corners:D:Dponddigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭ponddigger


    :Dhi, built a double sided dry stone wall this week. :Dponddigger


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 hamish262001


    nice work keep the pics coming :D


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