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  • 15-05-2011 02:00PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭


    Can anyone suggest a diet or exactly what I should be eating for long rides and so I can shake off the stone that has being stopping me getting over the big climbs.
    Currently weigh 95kgs and cycling approx 200klms a week, daily intake is something like,
    Breakfast 7am, porridge, tea and slice of toast.
    10am, sandwich and yogurt.
    1pm, soup and bread or similar .
    6pm Dinner meat and veg possibly a dessert.
    9.30pm slice of toast and a twix or similar.
    During the day I also drink about 1 1/2 litres of water.
    Opinions please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭biomed32


    kick the desert and the late night toast and twix, big no no. Maybe exchange the sandwich and yoghurt at 10 with a salad and a yoghurt and throw in a couple portions of fruit, say a bananna or melon etc, it will fill you up more.

    Vary your excercise as at a certain point your weight loss levels out. Try swimming twice or three times a week along with the cycling.

    hope it helps!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Well, I'm new to all this cycling business, but not so new to losing weight or eating clean. My limited experience with cycling and trying to lose weight is that cycling without carbs can be hard, but reducing your carb intake just a little (especially if you're covering distance) is going to be the best way you'll shift fat.

    Some general stuff: For a 95 kilo guy you're not eating a huge amount of fruit, veg or protein but you are eating a lot of stodge (bread, twix, porridge). In general you should try to get some fruit or veg with every meal. For something specific: Maybe try replacing the 10am sambo + yoghurt with a banana, an apple and a yoghurt. That's about 100-150 calories shaved off. Have half a twix in the evening instead of a full one. Stuff like that.

    For long rides: Have some carbs during the ride to keep you going, but try to keep it below the calorie count of the ride so that you're burning fat. If you're eating crap, do it directly after the ride (this is the best time to eat crap). Try to have some source of protein before and / or after the ride too. This will help with recovery. Mostly though, losing weight is just about eating less. I know that sounds self-explanatory, but that's the crux of it.

    Hope that helps somewhat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭feck sake lads


    a lot depends on your age your height ,
    i asked a personal trainer one time about loosing weight ,he told me to stop eating and he was serious:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    200km a week equates to about 1000 calories a day. On that diet the weight should be falling off you (losing a pound or more per week). Are you omitting anything? Those 10 pints on a Friday night or the two bottles of wine with your Sunday roast?

    I'd agree with others that more fruit would help and maybe just have fruit and yoghurt at 10am with sandwich at lunchtime. And while there's no harm with the odd twix you might like to look at the number of calories it contains and think how much blood and sweat it takes to burn it off!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 jimbob25w


    mattock wrote: »
    Can anyone suggest a diet or exactly what I should be eating for long rides and so I can shake off the stone that has being stopping me getting over the big climbs.
    Currently weigh 95kgs and cycling approx 200klms a week, daily intake is something like,
    Breakfast 7am, porridge, tea and slice of toast.
    10am, sandwich and yogurt.
    1pm, soup and bread or similar .
    6pm Dinner meat and veg possibly a dessert.
    9.30pm slice of toast and a twix or similar.
    During the day I also drink about 1 1/2 litres of water.
    Opinions please.
    cut out bread and orther carb snacks with beef jerky [protien]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    Id ditch the toast at 7am, the oats should enough. Again the sambo at 10? Like said, some fruit and a yogurt or a small handul of nuts or something is a better option. Do you really need more toast and a twix as well at 9pm? If you have a decent enough dinner you really shouldnt but if you like to, id cut one out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭mattock


    Dont drink alcohol or minerals, but maybe could add a few spontaneous cups of tea and the odd bag of crisps to my 1st post, I will start to replace these snacks with bananas apples and oranges etc.
    I work damn hard (labourer) every day 6 days a week, I like my food although I am not a pig I think I eat too many snacks in between just a bad habit.
    In my early 40s and 6ft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    I would expect someone who does hard physical work AND cycles 200km a week would be struggling to maintain weight. How long have you been cycling 200km a week?

    Crisps are the worst of snacks (all fat), stick with the Twix.

    Lack of fibre (not enough fruit and veg.) in your diet combined with too much fat (crisps, twixs) could be the problem. Fibre causes fat to pass through your digestive system without being absorbed so it goes down the toilet rather than onto your waist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭mattock


    I would expect someone who does hard physical work AND cycles 200km a week would be struggling to maintain weight. How long have you been cycling 200km a week?

    Crisps are the worst of snacks (all fat), stick with the Twix.

    Lack of fibre (not enough fruit and veg.) in your diet combined with too much fat (crisps, twixs) could be the problem. Fibre causes fat to pass through your digestive system without being absorbed so it goes down the toilet rather than onto your waist.

    Today my meals were, Breakfast, spagetti hoops and 3 white pan slices toasted with tea, Lunch time two pan slices of toasted cheese and tomatoes and tea and 2 snack bars, 2 pints of water during the day also.
    Cycling I try to do 30k monday and wednesday and 70k saturday and 80k+ sunday, I think when I sit down to eat I eat until I am full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭goldencleric


    mattock wrote: »
    Today my meals were, Breakfast, spagetti hoops and 3 white pan slices toasted with tea, Lunch time two pan slices of toasted cheese and tomatoes and tea and 2 snack bars, 2 pints of water during the day also.
    Cycling I try to do 30k monday and wednesday and 70k saturday and 80k+ sunday, I think when I sit down to eat I eat until I am full.

    get rid of the pan firstly! get brown or half half.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    get rid of the pan firstly! get brown or half half.

    Dont eat cheap brown bread get 'wholegrain'. I'd go with the Porridge for breakfast - spagetti hoops wouldn't be the best fuel. You could have boiled eggs in the morning too.
    You just need to change your food choices really. So try to get organised in the week and plan your meals and good snack choices for when you're working.
    Bananas instead of bars. Good soups instead of sammich - pasta salads, oily fish etc.
    You can afford to eat a good bit of food just different types, good luck :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭morana


    I am similar to you.usually start the season at 100kgs and by the end of it down to 90kgs but I must admit I have been a little more attentive and I am down to 92kg aklready. My best weight ever was 84kg and I was motoring.

    Ditch the wine go on Vodka! White bread is crap I dont eat it tbh. I am crap at eating breakfast because I always seem to have an upset stomach first thing am.

    what I did during the winter was to have a couple of black coffees before the spin and not eat until 2hrs had passed. It wasnt that hard tb. But I think you need to keep up the carbs esp if racing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭High Nellie


    mattock wrote: »
    Can anyone suggest a diet or exactly what I should be eating for long rides and so I can shake off the stone that has being stopping me getting over the big climbs.
    Currently weigh 95kgs and cycling approx 200klms a week, daily intake is something like,
    Breakfast 7am, porridge, tea and slice of toast.
    10am, sandwich and yogurt.
    1pm, soup and bread or similar .
    6pm Dinner meat and veg possibly a dessert.
    9.30pm slice of toast and a twix or similar.
    During the day I also drink about 1 1/2 litres of water.
    Opinions please.

    Do you know the sensation of hunger? A lot of people think they should be able to loose weight without being hungry at some stage(s) during the day. If want to go into claorie deficit get used to hunger which is a quite natural sensation. In our primitive state, we wouldn't eat until we were hungry.
    Breakfast too large. As said before, ditch bread and stuff.
    A sandwich for mid-mornign snack is away too much. If you want to be serious, ditch 7 AM breakfast (except tea/coffee) and have it at 10 instead of snack. You will get used to this.
    Desert and chocolate, and you are asking us for advice on weight loss - get real!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dubba


    Also apart from diet, I've personally noticed pretty fast fat loss when doing extended weekend spins, say 100+km / 3-4hrs or more.

    Oh, and going off the mid week beers, tho this obviously isn't a issue for you as a non-drinker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭michael196


    Mattock

    I was ur weight last year, exactly 1 year ago, and now after 1 year of cycling, I am at 13 stone.

    What i saw in ur posts is a lot of white bread. Change this immediatly to brown bread and reduce the overall amount of bread u consume.

    I eat 4 slices of soda per day ( 12 hour shifts) and days off would be 1 small brown roll as a chicken roll. sedantary job.


    buy a protein drink ( recovery drinks) to get into u after a cycle, ( within 20 minutes) this looks after physical hunger cravings after a cycle , and u will be a lot less hungry. if this is evenings rest up with no further food. u will be hungry but will awake fine.


    long spins worked best for me, for wt loss, like 3.5 to 4 hours, then only the protein drink afterwards. usually 2 lbs down afterwards. get a protein recovery into u at that stage.

    howver i alos noticed that say 3x 2 hour spins day after day after day had the same effect. ( no food afterwards if in evening time : see below).

    feed urself prior to a spin: always, as said above, cycling is hard enough without going on an empty stomach. use the power bars for energy during a spin or even energy drinks also during the spins.

    the more nurtition u have starting and during the harder u can go: the more u burn. but only protein afterwards.

    200 per week sounds like what i would have been doing also throughout the year.

    crisps and chocolate ( frequently combined are killers for weight !!! )


    think of it like this also, u will loose the 2 lbs (weekly target ) on the longer spin, then use the short spins to maintain that loss untill the next long spin

    hope this helps, can be done, alright .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    morana wrote: »
    I am crap at eating breakfast because I always seem to have an upset stomach first thing am.

    Maybe it's the vodka:).

    Seriously though, I wouldn't recommend anyone skips breakfast, especially before any kind of exercise. Skip the morning snack or the evening snack but not breakfast - it really screws up the metabolism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭velogirl


    Seriously - the only diet that works is the one where you eat less. :)

    I should know - I have lost 3 stone over the past 2 years.

    Cut the desserts, cut the bread (or preferably ditch it altogether), ditch the biscuits, limit red meat and increase fruit, veg and salad and a good one that works for me is not to eat after 6.30/7.00pm. (this might not work for everyone - but I was inclined to pick at food at night)

    Another 9lbs to go to my target weight and I aim to get there by the end of the summer.

    Good luck and even when the weight loss plateaus out (and it sometimes does for weeks ) keep going - it is worth it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭michael196


    agree 100% with Paul Kiernan. plenty food before hand and during none afterwards , kind of apporach. 1 x Longish spins are best : would suggest u change a spin up to 100K and say 2 x 50 K . but remember if that 2 x 50 could become 3 x 50 for the summer .


    people need to undertsand u are a labour worker so u will need extra carbs anyhow. its easier to sit in an office and feel hungry !!!


    u will hear of lads doing starvation rides out on no breakfast :

    boardman did this in training for a limited time

    Dont do this : I know lads who got long spells of illnesses after going this route.


    u said when u sit down u eat till ur full, avoid this after the spins, make the evening spins like this, 60 K then protein then rest. this wouldbe highly effective .


    dont be afraid of a weekend blowout, chips. chicken , a tayto or 2 ... wont kill u !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭michael196


    velogirl wrote: »
    Seriously - the only diet that works is the one where you eat less. :)

    I should know - I have lost 3 stone over the past 2 years.

    Cut the desserts, cut the bread (or preferably ditch it altogether), ditch the biscuits, limit red meat and increase fruit, veg and salad and a good one that works for me is not to eat after 6.30/7.00pm. (this might not work for everyone - but I was inclined to pick at food at night)

    Another 9lbs to go to my target weight and I aim to get there by the end of the summer.

    Good luck and even when the weight loss plateaus out (and it sometimes does for weeks ) keep going - it is worth it



    yep defintily limit the evening food, to nothing preferably !!! and do be aware of plateaus, where ur weight stops dropping even though u are training hard. it can go on for weeks You will eventually that u are ready to loose weight again. its like ur body is adjusting getting ready for more loss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭mattock


    I really do know that I need to eat less and that I need to cut out the snacks and the odd desert that I do have, but I was perfectly honest in telling you what sort of food I do eat.
    What type of protein drink/shake would you guys recommend, as I feel it is the evening snacks after my cycles etc that are undoing the good, I would have no problem cutting out the toast at brekkie the morning break can do with the fruit and yoguart muid day I need to refuel the tank for the last 4 hrs work, the dinner is all good home cooking, something like two potatoes roast beef veg and gravy maybe 2 deserts a week max washed down with water and sugar free juice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dubba


    I think short / commuting spins can be done in the morning on an empty stomach without any ill effects and its a good way to burn fat if you've the opportunity to do it regularly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    Dubba wrote: »
    I think short / commuting spins can be done in the morning on an empty stomach without any ill effects and its a good way to burn fat if you've the opportunity to do it regularly.

    Unfortunately, your body would probably disagree with you. When you exercise without eating the body assumes you're being starved and goes into preservation mode. It tries to store food (as fat) and tries to limit the calories you burn. As a result you'll have less energy and will put on weight.

    The body has a natural cycle where it shuts down at night and comes alive during the day, hence the reason for eating early in the day and not eating late at night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭morana


    michael196 wrote: »
    u will hear of lads doing starvation rides out on no breakfast :

    boardman did this in training for a limited time

    Dont do this : I know lads who got long spells of illnesses after going this route.

    2 cycle 2 hours without having any food isnt starvation.you need to be doing 6 or so. but I take your point somebody like the skinny lads in the bunch shouldnt even do this.

    We go out and spend k's on bikes and bits and then tuck into crap! what is going on in our heads....btw I am more guilty than anybody else.


    Have we any dieticitions reading?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭chakattack


    jimbob25w wrote: »
    cut out bread and orther carb snacks with beef jerky [protien]

    Bad advice for a cyclist. You need carbs for energy, reducing them a little is fine but them cutting them out completely is not good. Switch white for wholegrain though and get some protein at lunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭morana


    chakattack wrote: »
    Bad advice for a cyclist. You need carbs for energy, reducing them a little is fine but them cutting them out completely is not good. Switch white for wholegrain though and get some protein at lunch.

    ....and vodka dont forget the vodka!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭anoble66


    make your own brown bread, takes 10mins to mix up, literally just throwing in everything in at once, and put in the oven for an hour. Will give you 3 loaves...much more filling, plus no salt or sugar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dubba


    Unfortunately, your body would probably disagree with you. When you exercise without eating the body assumes you're being starved and goes into preservation mode. It tries to store food (as fat) and tries to limit the calories you burn. As a result you'll have less energy and will put on weight.

    The body has a natural cycle where it shuts down at night and comes alive during the day, hence the reason for eating early in the day and not eating late at night.

    I'd have to disagree with you there Paul Kiernan, diet/exercise isn't and exact science and there's no one size fits all.

    The arguments pro/con of morning pre breakfast exercise are old but realistically a commute/ short spin of sub 1hr on an empty stomach wont do you any harm. Much less than not eating after a 4hr weekend ride IMHO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭chakattack


    morana wrote: »
    ....and vodka dont forget the vodka!!!!

    A guy who was semi-pro in his youth told me to have an irish coffee or two before a timetrial. Maybe the alcohol helps numb the pain?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭feck sake lads


    6ft and 13 stone your not overweight buddy check your body mass index your normal;) to get over those hills train harder on hill's and eat less rubbish.
    if we could all take a leaf out of Velogirls book then the weight problem would be a thing of the past.
    i always start off great for the first few days then fall back into my old habits eating crap and less training.:mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭michael196


    6ft and 13 stone your not overweight buddy check your body mass index your normal;) to get over those hills train harder on hill's and eat less rubbish.
    if we could all take a leaf out of Velogirls book then the weight problem would be a thing of the past.
    i always start off great for the first few days then fall back into my old habits eating crap and less training.:mad:


    think u misunderstod, michael 196 is 13 stone and mattock is 15 stone


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