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If... the Unforgiving Minute

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Good long run Sunday - #1 son was playing a football blitz so instead of standing around for an hour and a bit I headed out for my long run, guilt free since I did go to his other match on Saturday. I was still back in time to see his second match, which they lost, through no fault of his of course.

    I headed out towards Knocknarae, averaging about 4.5 min/km for the first 5K, via Siberia (really) before joining up with the Warriors Run route near the old Ransboro Church. I took a detour then along a wooded trail up the side of the mountain for about a mile. Actually my main reason for turning off was a biological pit-stop requirement. My pace slowed as I also took the opportunity for photos - I had brought my phone in case #1 son needed to call me!

    This one shows the cairn on top of Knocknarae in the distance (click to open):
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    This one shows the view across to Benbulben as I came back down:
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    This one shows a trail that I was very tempted to follow, but could not see where it finished, so I will have to come back to it another day:
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    I rejoined the warriors route and picked up the pace on the rolling hills to about 4:15 /km. The last photo was taken looking down over Strandhill, which must be a welcoming sight on warriors race day:

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    I turned back into town and slowed with the wind in my face, I even got passed by an old woman on a push bike - maybe she had one of those motorised thingys on it. I almost caught her later as she slowed on the uphills.

    I tired again over the last 2K but I had averaged 4:34 for 17.something km over rolling hills and peak to trough 160m altitude difference - makes you grateful to be alive and healthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Ran second leg of Fit4Life league last night - 2 miles in 11:33, 17s faster than the same course two weeks ago.

    Started in the second last group with another guy who I knew could be an 11 min 2-miler if he was anyway fit. He set off at a fast pace so I did not try to follow, concentrating on the next group, 10s ahead. At the half mile mark, the wind was strong in my face and I had still not caught up on anyone who could help break it. By the half way stage, I had been caught and passed by the runner behind and unlike last time, I did not stay with him. My watch showed 5:49 for the first approx mile, good enough.

    Second time around, I caught up with a few people before the windy bit and got some shelter making up ground along this section. I pushed a little up the hill and with 300m to go I thought I heard someone come up behind me, so I let go along the final stretch with a good sprint finish. Second mile was 5:44, a good bit faster than the last week, probably third fastest overall time.

    11:33 is a few seconds faster than McMillan predicts from my current 5K time, so given the course and the day, that's not bad and sets me up for a good 5K in 10 days or so. I will probably miss the next one of these runs as it moves to a Wednesday but I will try to catch the rest after that - they are a good sharpening workout although I want to make sure I don't race too often. I will be keeping an eye on this series on competitor.com for views on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Decided to move my speed session up a notch in the run up to next week's 5K. Last time out I did 13x200m in average 35s. Today I started with a 32s into a slight headwind followed by a 2 min recovery and tried to keep at that pace. It's only 3s faster but the effort was significantly stronger.

    Six was all I could manage at that pace, the approx times were 32, 32, 31, 33, 32, 32, by which time my recovery was at 2:30 and my calves were starting to tighten up with the lactic so I called it a day. My lower legs were still twitching as I did a long cool down jog.

    Not sure if it was exactly the right work-out but it feels good to run fast now and again. This was probably my first real anaerobic workout in over a year and I had forgotten how I lose my appetite after that kind of workout whereas after an aerobic session I could eat the fridge. Hmm!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    My lower legs have not been right since my speed session last Thursday. I have stretched as much as I can but they still feel tight. I could probably do with a sports massage but I am not sure where to get one around here.

    I did my long run on Saturday morning before breakfast which is a change for me. Normally I go Sunday and always have food before a run but with children's football matches, club juvenile team trials, visitors and a family communion, time was short this weekend. Also Saturday was my birthday and I always make a point of running on that day.

    I got my family gifts on Friday evening, so I headed out to the woods to try out the new socks (1000 mile), new shorts (ronhill) and t-shirt (nike). They all passed the test. I kept the pace easy (around 5 min /km) and avoided big hills for just under 15K.

    Calves did not feel much better or worse after Saturday's run. I rested Sunday and did an easy 10K today with 5x180m strides. Legs were a little better than the weekend but still stiff. I'll keep doing what I'm doing and avoid any sessions this week. Hopefully I will recover by Sunday's 5K.

    PS Beware of what can happen to bouncy castles in strong gusty winds, especially when full of bouncy children at a communion party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I have still been struggling with tight calves since last Thursday's session. Today was the first day I could walk up stairs without feeling them sore. My knee has also been stiff and clicky. I have been trying to figure out why. It was not just that I pushed it a bit harder on that session, that would not last for a week. Thinking about it I rationalised that it was the combination of a few other things as well: a 2 mile race on the Tuesday that I effectively ran a PB in and also an indifferent warm-up on the Thursday. However after my run today I am not so sure that's all there is to it.

    After resting since Monday, I did 10K today again with 6x180m strides. I started out fine with plenty of zing in my step but after about 3K I could feel some tightness in the calves again and generally my legs felt heavy. The strides went ok but overall my breathing was laboured and several times I just felt like stopping and walking - not like me. In the end I felt like I had run 10 miles not 10K, so what's going on?

    Could I be over-training? Not likely, anyway I don't have any other symptoms like irritability, insomnia, tiredness, etc - so that's out. I do have a minor head cold since the weather changed, slight stuffy nose, touch of a sore throat so maybe I have some kind of virus that is hindering my normal physical recovery - possible. For now I am going with that one.

    I am down to run the Streets of Sligo 5K on Sunday and I probably will. If I am not feeling 100% then I will take it as a training run. I don't want to miss the chance of taking part in what should be a good run around the town.

    My 5K PB (18:52) was set in February over a fairly level course and I had planned this as another attempt at it. If I am feeling ok, then I will set out at PB pace but with lots of twists and turns around the town and one decent hill, it's probably not a PB course anyway. The saving grace of the course is that the last 2K are downhill or flat and if I am feeling good and on PB track I will give it a go then. That last paragraph does not fit in well with my first two does it? Plan is to rest again tomorrow, maybe an easy jog Saturday to see how the legs feel, then see what Sunday brings.

    Either way I will start a new phase of training next week - I always like to look ahead to the next stage before I finish the one I am on. When I started this log I had an unwritten goal of doing the warrior's run this summer and I finally wrote it down at the start of the year. For those who don't know, the warriors run is a 15K race starting in Strandhill that takes you around and up Knocknarae and back down again to the seaside town. It has become more popular every year and with numbers limited to 800, getting entry was the first challenge.

    After a few false starts, online entries finally opened Tuesday. It was a bit like trying to get tickets for Bruce Springsteen on ticketmaster. Once I got onto the site (from work) they said I had a 34 minute wait to complete my entry. I had a 30 minute meeting scheduled so just enough time but it was one of those meetings that dragged on. Eventually after 32 mins I had to excuse myself and I managed to get my entry completed. I know there were lots of people who did not get in. This year they have a transfer system which may have increased the demand as people know they will not be losing their entry fee (a pricey €40) if they pull out. I have not told my family yet of my plans as my 12 year old son had warned me not to do it as he was afraid I would injure myself.

    Anyway that's on the end of August but training starts next week. First a few easy/steady weeks to build up my aerobic fitness then plenty of hills - short ones, long ones, fast ones and slow ones. I had planned a 10 mile race as part of the build up but I have not found a suitable one yet, end of July would be perfect. I had considered Lonford but that comes up too soon. If the 10 miler does not work out I will plan around a few 10Ks, especially some of the hillier ones.

    Anyway first up shrug off this virus and run a fast 5K - I really hope I get the chance because after my last 10K I was really looking forward to this race. I weighed myself too this morning and I am lighter than I have been for 15 years (smaller waistline also). Sorry if I rabbitted on a bit today, just trying to get a few things straight in my head. "Keep on running" as Steve Winwood might say, happy 63rd birthday Steve.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    5K in 18:02, 50s PB, 2nd in oul fellas category. I know, I know, what was I whining about last week? Big dinner and bottle of wine awaits, more later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    wow savage time. nicely left just over 18 too so that 17:XX will be ther e to be had.

    fair play. what was the race like?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Thought I did not have the best preparation for this race but in hindsight a few easy days was probably for the best. On a good day I had hoped for 18:38 - 6 min mile pace but I did not know what to expect on a tight course, with wet weather and limited training for the previous week.

    The race started at the beginning of the main street. Around 500 lined up, everyone well soaked before the start and the rain never let up throughout the race. There was a bit of pushing and elbows from the gun but I settled into a comfortable pace. One little hill in the first km, started to split the field up into groups. The leading group went off at their own pace and the winner went on to finish in a handy 14:40, with 2nd place also under 15 mins. The second group contained a few runners who I knew should be ahead of me so I was content in the third group which contained the leading woman.

    I had mapped out the course in advance so I knew the 1K mark was at the bottom of the first hill as we turned out onto the Bundoran Road heading back into town across the bridge. I clocked 3:19 at this point but with the rain I could not see my watch clearly. This was probably a good thing as I would have eased back if I had seen this. I was still following the leading woman as we came back into town and getting some shelter from the group. The Cathedral was the next km mark and as I hit my watch I looked down and saw the 2K mark on the ground. This was actually the only split I can be sure of in the race - 3:47 for that km and 7:06 for the first 2K. I took the lead in my group at that stage as others eased back preparing for the hill ahead or just fighting their internal battle. The climb up Mail Coach Road slowed everyone down but I kept the same gap with the group in front and I could see a few of them tailing off. As we crested the hill another guy pushed past me and I tucked in behind him. Third km in about 4:02 - think I managed to clear the rain off the watch and read that one.

    I knew the final two km were downhill or flat so I was happy that I still felt comfortable. Going down through Cranmore I lifted up the legs behind me and let gravity do her job, passing the guy who had just picked me off. The next group was now splintered and a few of them were within striking distance. Turning over by St Annes, I recorded a 3:21 for the estimated 4th km. As we came back into town and headed over Castle Street, I picked up the pace and started to pass a few of next group, who I would not have expected to be near in a 5K race. I let go again down O'Connell Street to make sure no one came back at me, stopping my watch at 18 min dead. Officially 18:02 and 2nd place M40 which earned a nice envelope - monetary reward for the first time in my running career!

    I enjoyed the race, though probably my rating of 5/5 on the race thread was a bit generous but it took into account the organisational difficulties of a Streets of anywhere race and was influenced by my own result. Chip timing and a finishing clock are possible improvements if they ever run this one again and I might break 18 mins. Changing rooms, tea and sambos were laid on at the Glasshouse Hotel, where they struggled to keep up with demand - the sandwiches were gone as soon as the trays came out, though they kept coming back with more.

    A 50s PB from my Feb 5K, which was a 40s PB itself, means I will have to update my McMillan pace chart again - can't be bad. Keeping it easy this week to make sure I recover properly and besides it's a busy one with family events and a weekend away coming up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    fair play , that was a great time you clocked up, your makin savage progress , i was there too came in second lady in 18.52 , money reward was well sweet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    wow savage time. nicely left just over 18 too so that 17:XX will be ther e to be had.

    fair play. what was the race like?

    Thanks, this EPO stuff really seems to work!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I don't usually do steady runs. I run at easy/long pace or faster intervals/tempos. For this phase I have decided to include some mid-pace continuous running. I hope this will help build my endurance. According to my revised McMillan pace chart, my steady-state runs should be around 4min pace which is the pace I was doing my long intervals at a few weeks ago. :eek:

    I almost always wear a HRM when running but I don't really use it as a immediate feedback, except occasionally during long runs. Normally I just review after the run and compare to previous runs. I don't use it during intervals and tempos because I do not really have a good idea of the correct ranges. My max HR is somewhere around 200 and resting around 40 and there are different opinions out there about what % of working heart rate should be used for which type of run. When I then try and mix this with recommended paces and throw in a few hills which slows the pace and ups the heart rate, it gets too confusing.

    However I decided to try again for my steady run yesterday. As the route was hilly, I tried to focus on HR instead of pace. Looking back on my recent history, I can see I was doing my easy and long runs at less than 155 bpm and my tempo runs at greater than 165, so I decided that steady pace was in this range 155-165. I must admit it seemed to work and I got the right balance of pushing myself past easy without over-doing it, ending up with a medium effort.

    After a warm-up, I headed along a new hilly route at my new-found pace.
    First lap was 16:55, distance unknown, AHR 164.
    Second lap 16:56, AHR 163.
    I impressed myself with the consistency.
    I finished with 5 x 100m hill sprints before cool-down.
    I will go back and measure the route at some time in the future again

    This was a useful workout that I will use again, especially when I have another tough session in the week but I still want to get some benefit more than just recovery.

    Will try and fit in my long run on Saturday morning before heading to the Theatre of Dreams to celebrate with the 19 times english champions. N-n-n-nineteen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    wow your resting rate at 40. you're either very fit or nearly dead:pac:

    the 19th is the one we've been waiting for for a long time. i rem lpool miles ahead when i was a young lad. seemed impossible to reach their target in my lifetime. fair play to ferguson . they're coming off that perch. if they could just get 2 more european cups then that would be icing on cake.
    are you really going to oldtrafford? sat. whats the plan is it open top bus? or what. would you believe im bringing the kids over to the stadium tour in a few weeks. did you ever do if so whats it like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    wow your resting rate at 40. you're either very fit or nearly dead:pac:

    the 19th is the one we've been waiting for for a long time. i rem lpool miles ahead when i was a young lad. seemed impossible to reach their target in my lifetime. fair play to ferguson . they're coming off that perch. if they could just get 2 more european cups then that would be icing on cake.
    are you really going to oldtrafford? sat. whats the plan is it open top bus? or what. would you believe im bringing the kids over to the stadium tour in a few weeks. did you ever do if so whats it like.

    Yep, got tickets for me and my 12 yo son for the match sunday, lower east stand by the corner flag, a once-in-a-lifetime event.

    The open-top bus parade is in a few weeks time - maybe the same time you are there, check it out. Just make sure you don't get the wrong one, I hear another local team are celebrating winning some other trophy on a different weekend.

    I did the stadium tour a few years ago myself, well worth doing, though I read there are restrictions on what's covered in the tour at the moment, I think due to some construction. Was going to try to get it done Monday too, but looks like it's all booked out. I'd recommend book in advance as much as possible via the website. I'll do a report when I get back!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Got up early for my long run last Saturday. Only clocked 15.4 km but the route was hilly with 2-3 good climbs so the pace was slow. More importantly time on my feet was 1:28 with an average HR of 144 bpm. Good enough on an empty stomach. I will do these low-fuel early morning long runs once in a while for the extra effort required but normally I likes my breakfast first. I took a few photos again on the hills - looking across the bay to Knocknarae and back to Slieve Deane.
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    Later that day I headed off to Manchester with my eldest son to see united's last game of the season and the premier league trophy presentation. Being a fan since the day I was born when they won their 7th league title, it was great to be there for the 19th. It was an even bigger occasion for dna_leri jr. We had great seats, two rows from the front but old age has made me cynical about the commercialisation of football - anyway that's for another time and place.

    We managed to get in a bit a shopping before heading back the next day and dropped into "Up & Running" in the city centre where I got Brooks T5 racing flats for £25 and he got a pair of spikes for £30. Can't wait to try out the flats but I'll do it with care as it's the first pair I have bought. Did not manage much any running away and the diet suffered a bit too but there's plenty of time for catch-up.

    With 14 weeks to my key race I have been setting out my plan for the coming months. General plan is lots of hills with a couple of 10K races to keep me focused - the first one around the end of June and another at the beginning of August. I have broken the training up into three phases with a race at the end of each.

    For this first phase my key sessions are:
    Steady Runs (medium tempos) over hills followed by hill sprints
    Tempo Intervals based on McMillan Best 10K workout, on a hilly route
    and Long Runs again over hills.
    Hopefully that's not too much hill work, I'll switch to flat if recoveries are not enough. No track intervals planned for this phase but I will pick them up again in the next phase. In the meantime I hope the hill sprints (really uphill strides) will keep my legs ticking over.

    Yesterday I did the second of my steady runs, now measured as a hilly 8km, keeping average HR under 165. First 4K lap was 15:34 with HR at 162 - a good bit faster than last week's 17 mins but the effort felt considerably harder though the HR did not show it. I eased back for the next one in 17:15 keeping AHR at 162. Finished with 6 hill sprints, maintaining good form and walking back down for recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    sounds good. seats near the pitch are better imo. altho you dont get a birds eye view what you see you can really see and get up close for teh atmosphere. seats way back in the high stands - might as well see on tv.
    do you mind me asking how you got to old traff from manchester airport.? was it train to piccadilly and tram or what and was it handy?
    good idea to break the 14 weeks training into phases otherwaise it can get boring/stale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    do you mind me asking how you got to old traff from manchester airport.? was it train to piccadilly and tram or what and was it handy?

    We did not go straight from plane to OT, but went in same general direction and worked out well. Get train at airport to Piccadilly and change there for Metrolink Altrincham line (tram), that stops at Old Trafford station which is a few minutes walk from the football ground. Buy your tickets before you get on, but its all easy enough and not expensive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    6 x 1 mile at 10 K pace with 3 min recovery was the plan for Thursday session.

    Was not sure what pace to do these in - my 10K a few weeks ago was at 6:17 pace, but based on my last 5K McMillan has my 10K pace at 6:01.
    I did this session 7 weeks ago - here in average 6:20 = 39:18 10K pace and went on to do the 10K in 39:04 a couple of weeks later.

    In the end I decided not to worry too much about target pace as the wind was gusting strongly and anyway I was glad to have company for the first 4 reps. We went through them in 6:27, 6:13, 6:15, 6:01 and I did the last 2 solo in 5:58 & 6:00 for an average of 6:09, giving a 10K equivalent of 38:08 which feels about right. Kept the recoveries reasonable in the range 2:45-3:00. Although I try not to race each training run, this is a good marker session that I will come back to again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Did my longest run ever on Sunday, not in distance which at 19.6K was a few K short of a record, but in time on my feet at 1 hr 46 mins. I had my phone with me again and used the Sportstracker app to map out 1-mile and 2-mile circuits that I will use for again. The only exception I make to my metric running is for McMillan's 10K workouts which really don't translate.

    Both circuits start out at the cross roads and the 1-miler ends at this fallen tree, where the 2-miler follows the lower road and ends at this lonely tree:
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    I know none of this makes sense to anyone here but if I don't write it down I will forget.

    After a few circuits, I did a 1-mile uphill route and had intended to do another big hill with some off-road but time had passed and I had to call it quits. Just enough time to try out my new T5 racers with a few strides - felt pretty good, dead light and I could easily lift my legs behind me despite having 19K of hill running in them.

    I will try them out properly on Tuesday at the next leg of the Fit4Life League over a nice flat 2K course. If the weather holds good again, I will push it a bit at this short distance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    2K Fit4Life Race in 6:29

    I had a reasonable handicap for this race with three guys starting behind me but only by 5 secs so I went out hard. There was a slight head-wind in the first stretch so I tried to tuck in behind people as I caught up with them. With such a short race, everyone was moving fast and I had to push to over-take anyone. I did not feel I was gliding past anyone - it was an effort.

    The return route was along a gravel path next to the river. I was happy with the grip afforded by my new racing flats and they certainly felt light enough. After half-way I started to catch up with some of the bigger groups and had to dodge in and out. At one point I had a vision of skittles in 10-pin bowling and thought about just rolling on through - no, bad thought.

    In the final straight, I dug in again and passed a few more in a sprint finish. In total I had passed about 55 people with no one catching me to finish third, but more important I was happy with my time. My last 5K gave me a McMillan time of 5:12 for the mile. This new time gives an equivalent of 5:07. I would like to try a fast mile later in the year where I could push for 5 mins but I am not sure if I will get a suitable race.

    In my recent 5K & 10K races, I have felt reasonably comfortable. I need to be able to get to the stage where I am at the same level of discomfort as I was in this race. Getting faster is a lot about tolerance to pain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    dna_leri wrote: »
    I did the second of my steady runs, now measured as a hilly 8km, keeping average HR under 165. First 4K lap was 15:34 with HR at 162 - a good bit faster than last week's 17 mins but the effort felt considerably harder though the HR did not show it. I eased back for the next one in 17:15 keeping AHR at 162. Finished with 6 hill sprints, maintaining good form and walking back down for recovery.

    Repeated this session for the third week in a row.
    This time it was:
    Lap1 - 15:52; AHR 156
    Lap2 - 16:30; AHR 165
    Pacing was a bit more consistent than last week but not as good as the first time when I did even splits albeit slower ones.

    Did 7x100m hill sprints this week, building it up to 10.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Long run today was one of the wettest runs I ever had. The rain just kept coming straight down. When I started there were small puddles to dodge. By the time I finished, they had turned into small floods that I could not jump across. Although I stayed on the forest paths I had muck from head to toe.

    I did a new hilly loop x3, so I am not sure of the distance, I'd guess about 6K. With a short jog to get to the start of the loop, about 18.8 km total.
    Lap 1: 30min AHR 143
    Lap 2: 29:53 AHR 144
    Lap 3: 29:38 AHR 145

    Nicely consistent and controlled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I have let my core training and strength work slip quite a bit in the last while. I realised this last weekend when I did a few single leg squats on Saturday and could feel the doms, especially in my glutes during my long run Sunday. So bank holiday Monday I did a proper session, with low weights but I ached all over then Tuesday.

    Tuesday evening I repeated my steady run, for I think the fourth time recently.
    This time the first 4K lap was 16:22 AHR 155 and second 16:41 with AHR 155.
    Although the first lap was a bit more controlled than usual, the total times were similar to previous attempts but my HR was surprisingly low, usually around 163. The effort felt more than usual after the strength training, my movement felt uncoordinated and unsteady. Not sure if I believe those HRs.

    Anyway I finished with 8x100m hill sprints, up from last weeks 7. They are not actually full out sprints more like strides - I timed the last one at 21s, which is about mile pace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I had originally planned this as session #2 of McMillan's 10K Workout but because I was doing it over a different course, I decided to step back to session #1: 6x 1 Mile. The 1 mile route I picked out was net uphill by about 50m so selecting the right pace would be difficult. My last 10K was 6:17 pace but if I was running a flat 10K soon I would be aiming for just over 6 min mile pace. My target race is the Warriors Run in about 11 weeks so hills are the order of the day.

    I ran the first one in 6:06 which was a bit fast so I eased back slightly for the next few in 6:22, 6:24 & 6:20. As I started the 5th one, the rain really started bucketing down so I dug in harder. I told myself this was character building. When it turned to hailstones I had run out of platitudes - "character building my ar5e". Still that one was 6:14 ! Each recovery was a 4 min 500m jog back down to the start.

    I had done the first 5 miles in long sleeve top over my t-shirt but I was being weighed down with all the rainwater I was carrying so I stripped down to t-shirt for the last one - I could wring water out of my top and leave it to drip dry in the rain. By the time I finished the sixth one, the sun was back out and I was starting to dry out.

    Final mile was another 6:14 - to give an average 6:17, good enough.
    Average HR during the mile reps was 159 - thought it would be higher.
    I jogged back to my car with water still sloshing around in my runners.
    The hot shower once I got home never felt so good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Went back for a second look at the Warriors Run route on Sunday - I believe they call them recce's in the hill-runners jargon! I started in the tourist trail car-park and warmed up going down to the bottom of the Glen Road [10:36 for just over 2K and AHR 127]. Then turned around and back up the hill to the car-park [10:50 - AHR 158] and continued up Knocknarae. I stopped to walk once at the steepest part (#fail no.1) but got moving again to reach the back of the cairn [11:11 for about 1500m - AHR 169]. Kept it controlled on the first part of the downhill then let it go after the stile [7:40 - AHR 158].

    A quick water break (and shoe change) in the car park and I headed back out on the road, this time in the other direction. I had intended a trail run in Rathcarrick Woods but seeing a big dog get out of a car in front of me changed my mind and I stuck to the undulating road, turning back just before the big down hill [3.75K out in 17:48 - AHR 152, back in 16:59 - AHR 154].

    Another quick break and a second attempt on Knocknarae, with tired legs. Despite the watching eyes of several walkers, I could not help myself from walking again on the steep section (#fail no.2). Suprisingly it did not really slow me down, maybe something to learn there [up in 10:53 - AHR 162]. Again nice and steady on the first downhill section and imitate a mountain goat, jumping over the rocks and puddles on the final stretch. Concentration nearly went at one point, but stayed upright [7:25 - AHR 156]. Unexpectedly I was quicker the second time.

    I know the actual warriors run route is a bit longer on the uphill but I am happy that those times [18:51 & 18:18] are pretty decent which I can build on over the next 75 days and counting #overallsuccess.

    Another reason for doing a few practice runs on the warriors route was to figure out my choice of runners. [OMG - I have sooo much choice, I just don't know what to wear! :p]

    For the first road stage and hill run, I wore my Adidas Response Cushion, which were fine except for a weakness that I noticed previously. When I stand on a sharp stone just below my big toe, it seems to come right through. I have looked at the sole and I can't see the weak point anywhere.

    I then changed into my racing flats for the next 7K road stage - they felt like I was wearing slippers my comparison to the Adidas. I have only worn these for a 2K race before and that was only 1K on road. I particularly wanted to see how they would fare on the downhills. Result not so good, my right foot and achilles tendon in particular did not feel great, if I had gone on any longer or faster I fear I would have got injured. So for now I will keep these for very short races until my feet have adjusted better.

    For the last hill run, I tried out my Nike Lunar Glides. Although they did not feel too heavy, they did feel a half size too big by comparision to the flats. Not too sure about the grip in them coming down, especially on the wet sections. So no decision yet either.

    Legs were in bits afterwards, so plenty of stretching are the orders for the next few days. Tuesday is the next day of the Fit4Life league, another 2 miler on grass. If my recovery is ok today, I will take part but not push it hard. After that I will keep it easy for the week and attempt a hilly 10K race on Sunday. [Link to thread here] There will be no PBs on this one but a good training session and maybe meet a few other boardsies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,516 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Went back for a second look at the Warriors Run route on Sunday - I believe they call them recce's in the hill-runners jargon!
    'recce' as in 'they recce your legs'. Any more thoughts on the curlew race? I'm 75% sure I'll be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    'recce' as in 'they recce your legs'. Any more thoughts on the curlew race? I'm 75% sure I'll be there.

    Yep, 90% sure I'll be there. I don't expect there will be a big turn out with Maugherow 10K last weekend and Ransboro 10K the following one, both established events and part of the Sligo Road Race League drawing the crowds. I am missing those other races so want to give this one a go.

    See you there - I'll look out for the fellow with green hair !
    PS Well done on the WWR success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Been keeping it easy this week. Overdid it a bit on Sunday and had aches in my quads, calves and hips through Tuesday. After Tuesday's 12.5K my left knee (the bad one) was also complaining. Bit better today, so after easy run did some hill sprints and downhill running based on this Running Times article "Counter-intuitive training strategies for when you need to get your running back on track".

    No negative reaction so far so looks like I can't cry off this hilly 10K on Sunday. Anyway my two boys asked me what I want for Father's Day and I told them I just want to run a race. So now they are going to come and cheer me on because I have been supporting them the last few weekends in Connaught team event, Connaught Juveniles and then community games county finals.

    Anyway lesson learnt from last weekend - you can't do a hard session the week before a race unless you are prepared to run easy for the rest of the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    I was a bit disorganised getting ready for this race with whole family in tow but still decided to drive the route beforehand and sacrifice some of my warmup. I was glad I did. I had known about the steep climbs but it was the little ones that would give most difficulty. The steady rise from kms 3 to 5 and the ups and downs in 8 & 9.

    Back at the local hotel for registration, I was surprised how many were there - over 160 walkers and runners for a first time event, including two of my club mates. One of them had beaten me by a few seconds in our last 10K after he started quickly and I failed to track him down. This time I decided I would go with him. He also entered us in the team event.

    Celebrity participants included Krusty_Clown and Luke 'Ming the Merciless' Flanagan. Oh, and there was a fancy dress competition as well. It was one of those kind of events, in aid of the local MS organisation where the taking part was equally important as those of us jostling for position on the starting line and the spot-prizes were better than the runners-up prizes. With that in mind I was prepared for anything but what we got was a well-run first-time race with excellent marshalling, markings every km, no traffic, two water stops, drummers around the course, barbecue afterwards and more spot-prizes than they knew what to do with - all for 10 yo-yos !

    We started at the bottom of a sharp hill, which thinned out the race quicker than I have ever seen. I recognised Krusty from the sunglasses and tried to distract him by chatting for a while. Before I knew it a km had gone by in just over 4 mins (with AHR 157) and Krusty was leading the way up the next hill. I followed with some others a few more paces back - I lost my clubmate around this point. By 1 mile the conversation was over and the race had begun. At the top of the steep hill, our leader turned left after the Garda car. I looked over my shoulder at the turn and saw the third place guy in a yellow singlet about 100m behind.

    I clocked the 2nd and 3rd kms in 4:53 & 4:31 with HR now up in the high 160s. I struggled for a while here, trying to find an even stretch of road. With the sun now beating down, my HR was climbing into the 170's so I eased back a bit. I did not want to look behind to give my follower any solace but at this stage I thought if he caught me I would be glad to tag along with him for a while as I knew a win was impossible. These 2 kms were a more respectable 3:57 & 3:48. The first real downhill was at the 5K mark and I tried to let gravity take over as we headed down to the main road. I later found out this was where I dropped the third place guy with a 3:38 km followed by a 3:26.

    Back onto the side-roads the pace dropped again as molehills became mountains and I struggled up kms 8 & 9 in 3:54 & 4:32. I caught a few glimpses of the garda car in the distance and Krusty's black singlet. At about 1 mile to go a helpful spectator shouted "400 yards to go" - I was glad I knew better. For the last km we turned back onto the route we had started on, a slight uphill followed by a steep downhill. Krusty was already well out of sight, probably tucking into his well-earned Guinness. I did not look back as I decided I would not be caught in the last km which I zipped down in 3:07, balancing out my slowest 4:53 km to finish in a self-timed 39:47. Eight weeks ago that would have been a PB, so 37:30 is probably possible on a perfect course.

    More importantly I enjoyed a real race, second place overall, and great preparation for the Warriors Run in 68 days time. My family had patiently waited for me to return in one piece on Fathers' Day and my two boys cheered me in as if it were the olympics. They were disappointed I did not get a medal (no prizes for coming 2nd in this life!) but we got a cup for the first team and a spot-prize of a voucher for the local supermarket. It was a day to be thankful that you could run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    great run dna. sounded like a tough course and great time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Seres


    fair play Dna leri , very tough course ! fantastic time too , couldnt make it myself , hope you stuck around for the barbe


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