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How much do you think I should get paid?

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Joe10000 wrote: »
    For that type of role in the private sector you would be taking home about 450 a week.


    Not for a 35 hour week though.

    €10/hour OP I reckon you should be on.


  • #63
    Keith186
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭Keith186


    If you're only doing low level admin work with no responsibility you should probably be taking home €300 a week.

    Maybe they should pay you 5¢ per page photocopied and €3 for typing original letters (not copied/pasted or a standard reply).


  • #64
    DM addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭DM addict


    OP, I'd put you on €9 p/h. (although I suspect you get a lot more) There's a lot of benefits coming with the job, and as you've said yourself it's pretty basic stuff, no qualifications required, no real responsibility, no risks.

    Me, I work in childcare. 40 hour week, 20 days holiday. Qualified in Childcare and paediatric first aid. Frequently work unpaid overtime, including staff meetings and training days. No perks whatsoever - I even have to pay for my uniform. I'm responsible (with two colleagues) for a room of ten infants for 9 hours a day.

    How much do you think I should get paid, OP? More or less than you?


  • #65
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    You only do 34.5 hours per week and have flexitime. That's a very low working week for a full time job

    Around €12-€15 per hour seems ok


  • #66
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Where is the OP... did he come in half cut last night at 10 to 1 ask the question and bugger off?

    Don't think he's too bothered what we think he should be earning :D


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  • #67
    LoanShark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭LoanShark


    irishh_bob wrote: »
    how many apprentices get paid in other jobs in this country , nurses being paid as students were the exception to the rule in most cases , prior to 2008 , nurses started off on 33 k per year once qualified and the average nurse was on a grand per week

    How any apprentices have to clean actual physical sh!t up after some drunk person has offloaded in their workshop?? Or held the hand of a person who has had to get their broken leg reset? Or watch somone loose their fight for life in front of their eyes?? So although a grand a week for a student may be seen as excessive to be asked to do if for nothing is outrageous!!


  • #68
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    LoanShark wrote: »
    How any apprentices have to clean actual physical sh!t up after some drunk person has offloaded in their workshop??

    Plumbers would encounter this kind of thing regularly.


  • #69
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Anyone saying €300 should consider that you get roughly €200 even if you haven't lifted a finger in your life ever.

    Anyway, here is my take.

    You're 3 years in the job, so translating that into the private sector you're just about finishing or have just finished your apprenticeship and you're now entry level at the job you'll be doing.
    You're probably around 20. Just under if you didn't do a leaving or just above if you did.

    Whats fair? Considering everything probably between €350 and €400 and you shouldn't be paying a lot of taxes on this.

    I' m bringing myself back into 20 years of age trying to think what a reasonable expectation for a run of the mill but nonetheless proper job at entry level would have been at that stage in life:

    I'd say small but tidy gaff, ability to pay my bills, decent food on the table, a few takeaways but need to keep an eye on the grocery bill all the same, ability to go out at the weekends (1 night sometimes 2) but more often than not go to house parties, cafes, cinemas rather than expensive clubs. Getting locked 2 nights at a fiver a pint no way. Sometimes the last week before payday may require a bit of stretching.
    Other than that - if absolutely necessary I could squeeze out running a pretty small, cheap second hand car (but insurance is very different in my country for young drivers) but it would put me in a tight spot elsewhere. To be more comfortable financially, I'd probably settle for a scooter or a motorbike and a public transport 'all-in' commuter ticket.

    That's 20 years ago and a different country (different renting market, totally different car insurance situ) however when you're sharing a house, live in the town you're working all that should be very manageable on the moneys I mentioned?

    Rather than talking money, what do you think yourself in terms of expectations. You're saying yourself entry level, still quite unskilled tasks, 35 hrs per week. Does the above sound right or would you think you should easily run a car, live alone rather than sharing (always desirable but so much easier in my country), holiday no bother?


  • #70
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    sollar wrote: »
    Where is the OP... did he come in half cut last night at 10 to 1 ask the question and bugger off?

    Don't think he's too bothered what we think he should be earning :D

    He's been back since. He seems genuine enough. Let's wait and see, its Saturday after all. ;)


  • #71
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭krissovo


    dissed doc wrote: »
    Yup, totally agree with this. Many people are unaware that most Germans don't actually live in Munich, Frankfurt or Hamburg. In regular cities the size of e.g., Cork, you have good public transport, childcare facilities and hospitals. A beer can be as low (from my experience) as €1 or €1.50 in local bars. Berlin is an exception to be a capital city that is signficantly lower in cost of living compared to other capital cities. E.g., small cities like Freiburg im Breisgau you'd quite easily have a pizza for €3.50 in a restaurant, and Ive seen similar in Munich (very nice Italian places - but more like €5-6).

    It's completely possible to live in a city in Germany on 20k with your family. It';s completely impossible in Ireland as the government here replicated the feudalistic pyramid to drag the wealth to Dublin - like London and Paris - with the result being devastating. Germany has far more equal and comparable distribution of wealth among cities and so too does the Netherlands (to an extent - in the Randstad at least). You don't have most of Germany being poor like Northern England and 20 million people living in Berlin (because that is the equal comparison to London).

    Our government has replicated the UK system of industry and that is why 40% of the population live in one city. It's basically a smaller version of the slums of Rio.

    It's also relatively insane overall IMO to compare Ireland to Germany. Population wise, we should be making comparisons to similarly sized economies like Denmark (~ 4.5 million?), Norway, or at a push, Switzerland (8 million) or Netherlands (16 million). Why not compare the salaries for a clerical officer in Dublin to a clerical officer in a small town in Idaho?

    In my opinion, the best functioning small and geographically isolated economies like Denmark or Norway get by with high taxes (not as high as my net tax was in Ireland when I left), but also far more social cohesion; this is virtually impossible without the language to act as social glue, and keep communties developing as a consensus instead of 1870s era US individualism that dominates Ireland.

    How can one post state so much good information and and the same time spew a lot of crap. Lets compare natural resources/industry and wealth and Ireland would be more on a level of Bosnia, Croatia, Greece etc not in the EU super league like Scandinavia or Holland, the fact Ireland has a high cost of living was artificially driven during the tiger.


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  • #72
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    krissovo wrote: »
    How can one post state so much good information and and the same time spew a lot of crap. Lets compare natural resources/industry and wealth and Ireland would be more on a level of Bosnia, Croatia, Greece etc not in the EU super league like Scandinavia or Holland, the fact Ireland has a high cost of living was artificially driven during the tiger.

    No not at all. We had gas resources, and could have developed wind resources. 7th largest exporter of zinc in the world and 12th of lead.
    The combined output from these mines make Ireland the largest zinc producer in Europe and the second largest producer of lead. Ireland is the world's most profitable country for US corporations, according to the US tax journal Tax Notes.

    Ireland has good resources and good exports. It's not a sexy resource like selling apartments and you can't transaction tax it as much with stamp duty. But, we have good, solid resources and an export market that wants them. How come we never hear of these in the papers?

    I think it is because the need for primarily Dublin-based workers and culture to need to feel like they are a London, a financial services capital. The newspapers and media are also complicit in this, and are entirely ignorant of our primary exports and native industries, which we very much have, and are very successful internationally. It also requires forward planning to develop these resources - something that doesn't lend itself to politicians cutting red tapes on some random block of flats in the midlands. Our largest export market is to the US, and almost 2/3rds of that is pharmaceuticals - our other big industry. You don't notice it because they aren't based on Merrion Square or Montrose - but "down the country".


  • #73
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Keith186 wrote: »
    If you're only doing low level admin work with no responsibility you should probably be taking home €300 a week.

    This highlights a major problem in this country. Work has to be attractive to people, it has to be worth their while. He could get €188 on the dole and rent allowance of €80. Fuel allowance, medical card etc. The value of that is prob more than 300.

    If he goes out to work he will either need a bus fare or a car.. about 40 to 60 per week.

    In this country why would anyone bother getting out of bed for less than 400 to 450 a week (after tax).


  • #74
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    I think you should get paid €0.

    We should computerise everything so we don't need anyone to print things, photocopy things, and type printed things back into the computer.

    We can have a small number of contractors who are kept to do the no-choice-but-to-use-a-paper-based-system tasks.

    I would also bet money we could get one person to do the work of two people in the current system.


  • #75
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    We should computerise everything so we don't need anyone to print things, photocopy things, and type printed things back into the computer.

    You have completely bought into the idea that all they do is photocopy and type letters.

    I think people who know very little of the public service should say as little about it till they educate themselves about what is actually done in there.


  • #76
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    sollar wrote: »
    You have completely bought into the idea that all they do is photocopy and type letters.

    I think people who know very little of the public service should say as little about it till they educate themselves about what is actually done in there.

    Eh you need to read the entire thread. He has already said what he does:
    My work is fairly unchallenging, I don't make any decisions on policies and the like. It's administrative work - photocopying, adapting and printing form letters, we alternate doing reception roughly once every two weeks. Not sure what else to tell you.

    Unless of course you are insane and you think I was talking about every single person who works for the PS including doctors. :rolleyes:


  • #77
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Eh you need to read the entire thread. He has already said what he does:



    Unless of course you are insane and you think I was talking about every single person who works for the PS including doctors. :rolleyes:

    Before you get too smug.... your grand plan was to be applied to more than his simple job it was to be applied to all co's. You hardly wanted to computerize everything for him alone did you??


  • #78
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    sollar wrote: »
    Before you get too smug.... your grand plan was to be applied to more than his simple job it was to be applied to all co's. You hardly wanted to computerize everything for him alone did you??

    You need to go back and read my post. Seriously, start reading things properly before you reply to them.

    You have no idea what I typed.

    In particular please read this bit: "We can have a small number of contractors who are kept to do the no-choice-but-to-use-a-paper-based-system tasks."

    EDIT: ah right I can see you're the guy who said he should get paid 50k minimum, so you're either a troll or don't understand things. Bye.


  • #79
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    sollar wrote: »
    Before you get too smug.... your grand plan was to be applied to more than his simple job it was to be applied to all co's. You hardly wanted to computerize everything for him alone did you??
    All businesses have to improve efficiency, there is no doubt that the civil & public service, public bodies and semi states would benefit from such innovation by reducing their labour costs. For some, especially clerical officers, work may be more unnecessarily human based than others in executive roles. I hope there are not many luddites among us who would actually disagree with that.

    Take this as an example where efficiency could easily be improved
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/pricewatch/2011/0425/1224295407088.html


  • #80
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    I work a varied work week. It can range from 30 hours at slack times of the year to 60+ at busy times, but 40/45 on average. Overtime doesn't exist.

    It's not an easily distinguishable job and it's more of a vocation than a job, but I am, along with 11 others, personally liable if the organisation becomes bankrupt, I sign the accounts, am a bank signatory, represent the organisation externally and can have any level of problem land on my desk.

    My net is €380 a week and there's a year end bonus of 3 weeks if we're within budget. All staff get the same Christmas bonus regardless of salary.


  • #81
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    In particular please read this bit: "We can have a small number of contractors who are kept to do the no-choice-but-to-use-a-paper-based-system tasks

    Most of the work done is already computerized. The people you talk about photocopying and typing letters are in a minority.


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  • #82
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    sollar wrote: »
    Most of the work done is already computerized. The people you talk about photocopying and typing letters are in a minority.

    Do you understand what this thread is about? Please read the title of the thread and then read the thread starter's posts.


  • #83
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    sollar wrote: »
    I think people who know very little of the public service should say as little about it till they educate themselves about what is actually done in there.

    Some of us know an exceptional amount about it which is why we're posting here.


  • #84
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    QuiteInterestin wrote: »
    What I would have issues with is the top end of the increments which means that a clerical officer (still performing clerical duties, just with more experience at it) at the top of their payscale earns €37,341.

    I think they are the pre PS paycut figures.


  • #85
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    pow wow wrote: »
    Some of us know an exceptional amount about it which is why we're posting here.

    I'm sure many do. But anyone who thinks the bulk of CO work is photocopying and typing letters doesn't.


  • #86
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    There was a post here 5 minutes ago that isn't now that referenced Emergency Medical Technician at €36,600 at the top point on the payscale.

    My dad did the aptitude for this about 10 years ago and was told something along the lines of: "you'll earn almost double the base when shift and other allowances are added"

    He's sorry now he didn't stick with the application. Though there's no doubting that's an extremely tough job, I know a lot of people who do it.

    The state also trains them to Paramedic level now at a cost of about €70k per person. I have no idea how it costs that much, I think some of it is to do with having to pay someone else to do their job while they're in training.


  • #87
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    sollar wrote: »
    I'm sure many do. But anyone who thinks the bulk of CO work is photocopying and typing letters doesn't.
    It depends on the office, obviously. Some do; you cannot simply speak for all COs any more than that poster can. I know because I did when I spent a summer working in a tumbleweed ravaged county council office (as it happens, one where people would photocopy things to look busy, but this was the celtic tiger period so that's another story). The OP also says that much of his time is taklen up with these menial, paper based tasks. I'm not saying this is the case everywhere, of course, but of course lots of COs do spend their time on duties that could be made more efficient with technology or eliminating paper activities. This could benefit the consumer, i.e. taxpayer, by cutting labour costs as well as making the experience more efficient for everyone.


  • #88
    Bens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Bens


    There is a simple formula for how much anybody should get paid. Its this.
    Make sure to get as much as you possibly can from your employer. That will be your ceiling.


  • #89
    Vizzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    -Chris- wrote: »
    Plumbers would encounter this kind of thing regularly.

    True, what is the going rate(per hour) to call out a plumber ?


  • #90
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    Vizzy wrote: »
    True, what is the going rate(per hour) to call out a plumber ?

    Being a plumber is a skilled job, the job being described here isn't. They don't relate.

    What I was saying is that trainee nurses aren't the only trainees who encounter sh1t. I was replying to a specific post.


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  • #91
    LoanShark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭LoanShark


    -Chris- wrote: »
    Being a plumber is a skilled job, the job being described here isn't. They don't relate.

    What I was saying is that trainee nurses aren't the only trainees who encounter sh1t. I was replying to a specific post.

    I took your reply to be toungue in cheek! But as I described it was more to the role of the job that nurses do. And that they were expected to do it for nothing..


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