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How much do you think I should get paid?
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14-05-2011 12:50AM#1
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If only the PS workers realised how much they got paid to shuffle papersTim Robbins wrote: »Actually when you put it like that... I haven't much of a clue.
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Also no pension levy as low level public servants think the pension isnt worth it and you can just get the state pension and no DB pension.
We pay a pension levy and a pension contribution. Are you saying we should pay neither and get no pension, or just not the levy and still get the pension? And are you saying it shouldn't be mandatory as it currently is or we shouldn't be allowed get it at all? Do you think only higher grandes should be eligible for the pension?in many parts of europe highly skilled workers dont get near that amount
In any parts of Europe rents aren't as high, property purchase prices aren't as high, health care costs aren't as high, transport costs aren't as high, food costs aren't as high, recreation costs aren't as high, etc., etc., etc. I remember buying a frozen pizza for €0.25 in Berlin a few years ago, and a delicious, cooked, nine-inch pizza from a take away in Dusseldorf for €2. The discrepency has probably changed (in our favour) since then but you can hopefully see where I'm going with this - that's about 10% of Irish prices. I should actually go into an Aldi next time I'm on the continent and do a scintific comparision. I think comparisions to wages in other countries have little to no relevance (I am aware that you said I should get more than some workers in Europe).For an admin clerical position, 20-24 k a year max. That's fair.
That's a pretty big range there. What do you reckon I should get transferred into my bank every Friday?Its not so much what I think you should get paid, but what the current market dicates you should be paid. The government should be geting the same work done for the same prices a private sector company gets it done for. Without knowing more details about your contract (benefits etc) and roles and resposibilites and without knowing much about the your equivalent in the private sector I don't think its a question that I can answer.
My work is fairly unchallenging, I don't make any decisions on policies and the like. It's administrative work - photocopying, adapting and printing form letters, we alternate doing reception roughly once every two weeks. Not sure what else to tell you. I'm not going to say what department I'm in.
I get 22 holidays a year. We get an unofficial half day on Christmas Eve. I don't know about other sections/departments but I'd guess most get this. Our highest graded officers stays behind on Christmas Day to answer any phone calls.
I get flexi time - while this is definitely an advantage of the job, I don't think this costs anyone anything. It saves money and makes people more efficient. I can get into this more if people disagree.
I suppose I have a job for life at the moment anyway - I suppose that is a big benefit.
I have a pension. I pay roughly (don't have my pay slip here) 6% of my weekly wage and in 37 years, everything going to plan, I should be getting half my average wage over the 40 years once I retire.
Not sure what other benefits I need to mention. Anything else you can think of, just ask. See my note below re: union benefits.Jaysus - you're brave. Why?I think you need to be clear if you are including defined pension or not? Defined benefit is worth about another 30% of your salary.
See above. What do you mean by defined? And what you're saying is that if my pension was taken away, you'd be happy for me to get 30% more? Or a wage of 30% more would be fair (might be a better way of saying it)?You also need to include other benefits you get with your package. VHI is worth a grand. Every day off above 20 also has to be considered.
No health care. Some dental and optical benefits through the union which costs 1% of my wages.I would say 37.5 hours is a min working week for most jobs.
So I'm working 2.75 hours less than that. Please note that this doesn't include lunches. Can't remember from my private sectors days if your figure does or not.
How much do your counterparts in Germany earn?
Until the wages are at same level the Germans will constantly keep pointing at public wages here when it comes to talking about bailouts or rate reductions.
Yes I know the cost of living is different, but tell that to the Germans etc who are now your paymasters.
See my note above.
By "the Germans", do you actually mean the IMF, the ECB and European Commission?
I don't think they just think, "we want wages the same as someone in Munich". It's more complicated than that.you dont say whether you are any good at your job? a private company is generally willing to pay people 5-10% more to retain good performers and will actively manage out underperformers.
Well, as you know, the civil service doesn't work like that. Let's just say for the sake of this discussion that I'm "grand" at my job. Not sh*t, but not outstanding either.
In reality though, I am of course, absolutely awesome at photocopying paper!
Thanks very much for all the replies so far. I do plan on saying how much I get, by the way. I thought I'd mentioned that in my post last night . I just want a couple of more responses beforehand - I don't want to colour people's responses by letting them know what I do get.0 -
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splendid101 wrote: »We pay a pension levy and a pension contribution. Are you saying we should pay neither and get no pension, or just not the levy and still get the pension? And are you saying it shouldn't be mandatory as it currently is or we shouldn't be allowed get it at all? Do you think only higher grandes should be eligible for the pension?
In any parts of Europe rents aren't as high, property purchase prices aren't as high, health care costs aren't as high, transport costs aren't as high, food costs aren't as high, recreation costs aren't as high, etc., etc., etc. I remember buying a frozen pizza for €0.25 in Berlin a few years ago, and a delicious, cooked, nine-inch pizza from a take away in Dusseldorf for €2. The discrepency has probably changed (in our favour) since then but you can hopefully see where I'm going with this - that's about 10% of Irish prices. I should actually go into an Aldi next time I'm on the continent and do a scintific comparision. I think comparisions to wages in other countries have little to no relevance (I am aware that you said I should get more than some workers in Europe).
That's a pretty big range there. What do you reckon I should get transferred into my bank every Friday?
My work is fairly unchallenging, I don't make any decisions on policies and the like. It's administrative work - photocopying, adapting and printing form letters, we alternate doing reception roughly once every two weeks. Not sure what else to tell you. I'm not going to say what department I'm in.
I get 22 holidays a year. We get an unofficial half day on Christmas Eve. I don't know about other sections/departments but I'd guess most get this. Our highest graded officers stays behind on Christmas Day to answer any phone calls.
I get flexi time - while this is definitely an advantage of the job, I don't think this costs anyone anything. It saves money and makes people more efficient. I can get into this more if people disagree.
I suppose I have a job for life at the moment anyway - I suppose that is a big benefit.
I have a pension. I pay roughly (don't have my pay slip here) 6% of my weekly wage and in 37 years, everything going to plan, I should be getting half my average wage over the 40 years once I retire.
Not sure what other benefits I need to mention. Anything else you can think of, just ask. See my note below re: union benefits. Why?
See above. What do you mean by defined? And what you're saying is that if my pension was taken away, you'd be happy for me to get 30% more? Or a wage of 30% more would be fair (might be a better way of saying it)?
No health care. Some dental and optical benefits through the union which costs 1% of my wages.
So I'm working 2.75 hours less than that. Please note that this doesn't include lunches. Can't remember from my private sectors days if your figure does or not.
See my note above.
By "the Germans", do you actually mean the IMF, the ECB and European Commission?
I don't think they just think, "we want wages the same as someone in Munich". It's more complicated than that.
Well, as you know, the civil service doesn't work like that. Let's just say for the sake of this discussion that I'm "grand" at my job. Not sh*t, but not outstanding either.
In reality though, I am of course, absolutely awesome at photocopying paper!
Thanks very much for all the replies so far. I do plan on saying how much I get, by the way. I thought I'd mentioned that in my post last night . I just want a couple of more responses beforehand - I don't want to colour people's responses by letting them know what I do get.
In any parts of Europe rents aren't as high, property purchase prices aren't as high, health care costs aren't as high, transport costs aren't as high, food costs aren't as high, recreation costs aren't as high, etc., etc., etc. I remember buying a frozen pizza for €0.25 in Berlin a few years ago, and a delicious, cooked, nine-inch pizza from a take away in Dusseldorf for €2. The discrepency has probably changed (in our favour) since then but you can hopefully see where I'm going with this - that's about 10% of Irish prices. I should actually go into an Aldi next time I'm on the continent and do a scintific comparision. I think comparisions to wages in other countries have little to no relevance (I am aware that you said I should get more than some workers in Europe
hello and welcome to ireland 2011 , . it may very well have escaped your attention we all know public /civil servants are extremely busy and preoccupied and dont always know what is going on in real world but as a country we are totally totally broke , we are depending on europe/imf to maintain ourselves , so in a way you are right '' comparison to wages in europe have little or no relevance '' they should be LOWER than the rest of europe , apart from greece , ireland , portugal the rest of europe are not insolvent at least for time been anyway . what the hjell will it take to make irish people realize that the false bubble they lived in for 10 years or so is over , and that public servants , private servants , unemployed , pensioners etc ,should not or cannot continue to be paid multiples of what they would be paid in countries in europe that is lending us money to keep going , to think we are entitled to more is the same delusional model that created this situation in the first place0 -
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Look , the cost of living is lower in rest europe but not so much as to justify the pay premiums we see in irish public service. To use that logic in the private sector would mean irish exporters saying to foreign customers "pay us more than other EU companies as cost of doing business in ireland is higher" , natually that wouldnt happen and foreign customers would say "sorry ireland ,high cost of doing business there is not our fault so why should we pay for it?". CSO /ESRI/Eurostat stats show our public servants are paid much more than Irish private sector and European public servants for similar/equivalent jobs , now we could get away with paying for that when tax revenues were 50+billion but not when 34billion. Now taxes must rise further but they wont get near the 55billion we spend. Welfare must also fall making the difference between welfare and work greater.splendid101 wrote: »We pay a pension levy and a pension contribution. Are you saying we should pay neither and get no pension, or just not the levy and still get the pension? And are you saying it shouldn't be mandatory as it currently is or we shouldn't be allowed get it at all? Do you think only higher grandes should be eligible for the pension?
In any parts of Europe rents aren't as high, property purchase prices aren't as high, health care costs aren't as high, transport costs aren't as high, food costs aren't as high, recreation costs aren't as high, etc., etc., etc. I remember buying a frozen pizza for €0.25 in Berlin a few years ago, and a delicious, cooked, nine-inch pizza from a take away in Dusseldorf for €2. The discrepency has probably changed (in our favour) since then but you can hopefully see where I'm going with this - that's about 10% of Irish prices. I should actually go into an Aldi next time I'm on the continent and do a scintific comparision. I think comparisions to wages in other countries have little to no relevance (I am aware that you said I should get more than some workers in Europe).
That's a pretty big range there. What do you reckon I should get transferred into my bank every Friday?
My work is fairly unchallenging, I don't make any decisions on policies and the like. It's administrative work - photocopying, adapting and printing form letters, we alternate doing reception roughly once every two weeks. Not sure what else to tell you. I'm not going to say what department I'm in.
I get 22 holidays a year. We get an unofficial half day on Christmas Eve. I don't know about other sections/departments but I'd guess most get this. Our highest graded officers stays behind on Christmas Day to answer any phone calls.
I get flexi time - while this is definitely an advantage of the job, I don't think this costs anyone anything. It saves money and makes people more efficient. I can get into this more if people disagree.
I suppose I have a job for life at the moment anyway - I suppose that is a big benefit.
I have a pension. I pay roughly (don't have my pay slip here) 6% of my weekly wage and in 37 years, everything going to plan, I should be getting half my average wage over the 40 years once I retire.
Not sure what other benefits I need to mention. Anything else you can think of, just ask. See my note below re: union benefits. Why?
See above. What do you mean by defined? And what you're saying is that if my pension was taken away, you'd be happy for me to get 30% more? Or a wage of 30% more would be fair (might be a better way of saying it)?
No health care. Some dental and optical benefits through the union which costs 1% of my wages.
So I'm working 2.75 hours less than that. Please note that this doesn't include lunches. Can't remember from my private sectors days if your figure does or not.
See my note above.
By "the Germans", do you actually mean the IMF, the ECB and European Commission?
I don't think they just think, "we want wages the same as someone in Munich". It's more complicated than that.
Well, as you know, the civil service doesn't work like that. Let's just say for the sake of this discussion that I'm "grand" at my job. Not sh*t, but not outstanding either.
In reality though, I am of course, absolutely awesome at photocopying paper!
Thanks very much for all the replies so far. I do plan on saying how much I get, by the way. I thought I'd mentioned that in my post last night . I just want a couple of more responses beforehand - I don't want to colour people's responses by letting them know what I do get.0 -
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