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Starting MTB

  • 28-04-2011 12:26PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 30


    i was in killiney park the other day, and i saw that there were loads of bike tracks all through the park, down the hill. I'm getting my first proper mountain bike in a while (Im looking out for a good hardtail), so would these be an ideal place to practice. Obviously you wouldn't be able to use thenm on busy weekends, as too much walkers about, but during unbusy times would they be ideal.

    I'm asking this as i live less than 15mins away at a cycle from them, and i don't want to have to go up ticknock, or leadmines every time i want to cycle, as I don't have a car.

    Also are there any other trails around the Dun Laoghaire-Cabintealy area?

    Also im currently looking on gumtree and irishDh but please post here is you are selling a bike.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 573 ✭✭✭dave.obrien


    Bren10101 wrote: »
    Also are there any other trails around the Dun Laoghaire-Cabintealy area?

    Taylor's Three Rock is handy enough from there, and great trails for people of mixed ability. Can't help with elsewhere though...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    thanks for the info, dont think ill be cycling that far though, especially on a heavyish bike. thanks anyway man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 573 ✭✭✭dave.obrien


    Bren10101 wrote: »
    thanks for the info, dont think ill be cycling that far though, especially on a heavyish bike. thanks anyway man.

    It's about as close to Cabo as you'll get, to be honest! There;s also a dirt jump style track on the road from kilternan to enniskerry, if that's at all appealling...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay, cheers, have you ever being up killiney hill, have you any idea about the trails there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 573 ✭✭✭dave.obrien


    Yeah, but not since I was a kid. My understanding is that the trails around there aren't great, nor are they designated. A blind eye will be turned to youngsters, but anyone over the age of 16 would attract complaints, I'd say... Seriously, beg/borrow/steal a lift to 3 rock. It's worth it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay ill do that then

    anyone selling a bike?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭Sniipe


    check out adverts.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    Sniipe wrote: »
    check out adverts.ie

    checked that, nothing that stands out to me atm there, will keep checking back though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    try the buy and sell section on epicmtb and madmtb as well, btw whats your budget for the bike and what kind of mtbing do you intend to do? xc or dh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    i plan to do dh, once i have the money and skills i'll get a full suspension frame.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    if i where you id start with some xc just to build up your fitness and bike handling ability and then later on move into some DH when you enough saved to buy a decent full suspension bike (i really wouldnt want to be doing proper DH on a hardtail)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    yeah, i was thinking of doing mainly xc to start off, to build up my fitness, and the like, then move to a more dh.

    also what do you think of this bike :here:

    would it be too heavy to be lugging up a hill? Any other thoughts? Any other suggested bikes instead?

    Basically what i'm looking for is an allright hardtail, not too heavy, but also strong enough to take drops and a bit of dh/fr on it. also a fork with around 140mm or maybe a bit more travel on it, that norco has 160mm.

    Would i be able to get a bike like that for that amount? Or am i asking too much for my skills and money?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    id say that bike weighs a nice bit just from looking at it but send him a pm anyway and find out the weight, if its below 14kg it should do the job for some xc and dh stuff (although as i said a hardtail wont be all that great for dh unless you've got savage skill)
    check this maybe http://www.epicmtb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14102
    or this http://www.madmtb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6663

    the problem with getting something with say 160mm travel up front will be when your climbing you will have a lot of your weight going to the back of the bike instead of going to the front which isnt good,
    what my advice is is that you should save up and get a decent xc bike (buy new would be my advice as i got burned buying a second hand full susser) and when your fitness and bike handling skills are getting good think about whether you want to get a dedicated Dh bike (could always sell your xc bike for €'s) or not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    this would be an ideal kind of bike for you as its geometry and suspension can be changed from xc mode to dh mode (i have a bike from bionicon as i was in the same position you find yourself in, not sure whether to go xc or dh) its fairly pricey but you might be able to get him to lower it a bit.
    the thing about starting out with mtbing is that its an expensive sport to get into, you will find that if you buy a cheap second hand bike you will spend a ton on getting it repaired and back into good condition (at least i did, bought a bike for 900 spent another 1000 if not more on it) and also remember you will need money for the gear and equipment besides the bike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    Hey Bren10101,

    I recently got interested in mountain biking and was faced with the same decision as you, I nearly bought a 2004 giant DH bike for €400 but didn't.

    In the end I spent €800 on a KTM Ultra Flite which I now use for XC and some light/mild downhill at the end of the XC course I cycle. I'm really pleased I made this decision to get a light XC hardtail. I used to have an ~18KG apollo phaze and cycling this course would kill me, but my KTM is perfect for all of it. It's a great way to build up fitness as when you start out DH you're probably gonna be very cautious and not go very quickly so probably won't be out of breath too much/build up a sweat.

    The first time I tried the DH section, I fell a lot, The second time I went back with a new front tyre, I fell less but still used the breaks a lot. By the end of It though my confidence was building and I was able to take sections fast and keep a good pace, the bike probably isn't great. But try and cycle either a heavy hardtail or full suss up the uphill bits and you'll be wrecked I'd definitely recommend an XC hardtail.

    Now a lot of people warned me against getting one, saying they'd be no good when I'd want to do jumps and stuff but so far I've had no issues and if you're afraid of damaging it you can avoid jumps. My bikes 13KG which I find is very light, You need to keep a lot of weight over the back tyre so make sure if you get a used bike it's got a good back tyre and a decent set of breaks.

    Next join a local club, Go on spins I started by going off-roading on my own, which was fine but I'd just look at the DH section and cycle down a flat path instead. First time I went with a group I stuck to the back, watched them and then followed and made it down relatively well on my first attempt. It helps a lot. If you're new enough to off-roading/cycling don't be afraid to cycle on the road as well, I go this a lot and I think it keeps my fitness up, I cycle home up steep hills, obviously it wouldn't simulate and off road hill climb but it'll help with your fitness. Uphill is probably the worst thing about XC but it's worth it cause you know they'll be a downhill bit at the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay, you've convinced me to get a xc style bike, thanks.

    do the irishxc crowd have forums, or will i just have to look through the club forums to find a bike?

    Also would i be able to get a good bike for under 400euros, second hand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    id say you should, put up a wanted ad on madmtb, epicmtb, irishdh etc just make sure someone looks at the bike before you buy it as id say there are a lot of bad bikes in the €400 range (hopefully some good ones too)
    i hope you get up and running quickly and best of luck to you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    would a dirtjump bike be good or too heavy? I know a lad with a secret track :p wouldn't mind having a bike to go on it, with an xc style of bike it wouldn't be suitable.

    I was thinking like a giant stp or something, but would those be too heavy for climbing with? I see loads of them in and around my budget.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    I think a dirt jump bike is a bit restrictive, I know they're a bit smaller than XC/DH bikes and I think that might be an issue if you want to get more into that stuff.

    It sounds like you're a bit like me in wanting to get a bike as soon as possible but all I'd say is, Just chill out and wait for the right bike, You don't want to get something you'll regret.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay, 3 thins

    1) I have decided to chill relax and calmly buy an xc hardtail, dirtjump or bmx or dh bikes can come later, once ive mastered the basics.

    2) I have realised that i need to be patient, i cant get a bike immediatly.

    3) I have realised i have no clue at all about xc bikes, so i need help picking one online. :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    Bren10101 wrote: »
    okay, 3 thins

    1) I have decided to chill relax and calmly buy an xc hardtail, dirtjump or bmx or dh bikes can come later, once ive mastered the basics.

    2) I have realised that i need to be patient, i cant get a bike immediatly.

    3) I have realised i have no clue at all about xc bikes, so i need help picking one online. :P

    It's the best thing to do or else you might make an impulse buy and regret it. Firstly are you willing to travel far for a bike and if not want county's could you go to? Loads of clubs has for sale parts( like icyseanfizt said) and usually buying a bike from a well known member on there means it'll probably be as described.

    Secondly what height are you? Frames range from 16-22 inch and usually 18,19 and 20imch bikes are the most common.

    Thirdly, safety ive only done this a while and already have some bad cuts and bruises, which are all part of the fun as long as your heads ok, make sure you budget for a helmet, either a full face or non full face just get one. If you turn up to a club meeting without a helmet people could get quite angry... Just saying!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    im 5 foot 7, and cant travel far from dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    well epicmtb and madmtb are in dublin and they always have the best for sale section out of any club just put up a wanted ad with your budget height etc. and see what happens, couldnt hurt right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay, i also emailed biking.ie, got a reply that he could sell me a Trek 4300 (M/L) for 390euro and also a Trek Bruiser (S) for 250euro.

    would either of those be good choices?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    any idea what the spec is on the Trek 4300 ? if biking.ie is selling it to you it will probably be decent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    he said it was 2 month old, so id assume its the 2011 model?

    what would you say about those two bikes.

    is the trek bruiser a worse bike? is that why its cheapish, or is it simply because its older?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    ive no idea tbh, id have to see what components each has (brakes,fork,frame,chainset etc.) but id say the 4300 is better if its dearer (pretty much how it goes with mtb's)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Bren10101


    okay, thanks, ill email him back saying im interested and asking for the spec, be back soon, thanks for the help so far man ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    no problem, one important thing to have on a mtb is hydraulic disk brakes, make sure to ask if they are on it, and if you get the full spec throw it up here and il have a look at it for you


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭travist


    Icysean

    I was also looking for some advice and posted below in case you can help.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056255172


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